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  • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

    I posted the article with some additional information. You'll need to use 4chan to find out what Q is actually claiming.
    Q is as crazy as Trump colluding with Russia.
    “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” - Socrates

    "The concept of a "Personal God," interfering with natural events,...." No criticism of this distorted idea of God can be sharp enough". - Tillich

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    • Originally posted by DeSanto View Post
      Has anyone looked into what this mysterious q figure has actually posted or are we just going to go by what the media tells us?

      Answer this: Why didnít the WaPo article link to any original quotes or posts from q to corroborate their story?
      Because they are largely incomprehensible.

      In order to make sense of them, you have to learn this whole backstory and BELIEVE it is true. You need someone to explain it or interpret it for you. Q posts this vague poem like post (or lately, tweet) that people rush in to say "See? He said 17 Democrats and Q is the 17th letter in the alphabet!!"

      There is no reason in hell that Trump and Mueller are 'working together' . No. Way. Coincidences between words Q posts and then words Trump uses in a speech or tweet are similarly unconvincing.

      I think what draws people to Q is they don't understand what's going on, and they are genuinely anxious and overwhelmed by it. They hear all this stuff on TV telling them they are being victimized and disadvantaged by liberal social policies. They are watching TV pundits telling them their beloved American culture is being undermined by immigrants and 'progressives'.

      The whole Q thing gives them a sense they are 'in the know', a special sense of personal significance. They might not have much to show, nor much education either, but they know the truth about what's really going on -- and Trump is communicating directly to them, his chosen people, whom he promised to elevate. It's the same old same old con . They con you into feeling special because they know you feel insignificant and overwhelmed. The real victims are the people who fall for these cons.

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      • Originally posted by Kastewart View Post

        Because they are largely incomprehensible.

        In order to make sense of them, you have to learn this whole backstory and BELIEVE it is true. You need someone to explain it or interpret it for you. Q posts this vague poem like post (or lately, tweet) that people rush in to say "See? He said 17 Democrats and Q is the 17th letter in the alphabet!!"
        Its actually not that complicated and you don’t have to believe in any “back story” to understand. You just have to learn their comms. Thereís a reason for the coded language. The military uses coded language. So do intelligence operators. It’s no different really.

        There is no reason in hell that Trump and Mueller are 'working together' . No. Way.
        I have no idea what what youíre talking about here.

        Coincidences between words Q posts and then words Trump uses in a speech or tweet are similarly unconvincing.
        Someone should just ask the president. That should be an easy way to clear things up. I wonder why no one has.

        I think what draws people to Q is they don't understand what's going on, and they are genuinely anxious and overwhelmed by it.
        Lol! And I suppose you do... know whatís going on? Poor, ignorant trump supporters, huh? Such arrogance.

        They hear all this stuff on TV telling them they are being victimized and disadvantaged by liberal social policies.
        Funny, because all I hear on the boob tube is how the sky is falling and the world is going to end because the big white racist bully president is controlled by Russia and wants to oppress everyone so we have to resist everything he says and does and start censoring speech and taking peopleís guns and attacking people in the street... because heís a fascist.

        Hmm. See anything ’wrong with that picture?

        They are watching TV pundits telling them their beloved American culture is being undermined by immigrants and 'progressives'.
        Sigh. Thatís just simply not true, Kaste. Maybe you just assume that because you donít understand the reality of the situation.

        The whole Q thing gives them a sense they are 'in the know', a special sense of personal significance. They might not have much to show, nor much education either, but they know the truth about what's really going on -- and Trump is communicating directly to them, his chosen people, whom he promised to elevate. It's the same old same old con . They con you into feeling special because they know you feel insignificant and overwhelmed. The real victims are the people who fall for these cons.
        I think youíre way off, but Iím not going to try to convince you.
        Time will tell if the whole q thing is legit, but I donít get why you automatically assume people are idiots or have some kind of self esteem issue just because they are interested in investigating it. You’re the one that seems to have the self esteem issues... constantly running others down into the ground just to build yourself up. Itís kind of sad actually.
        Last edited by DeSanto; 08-10-18, 01:26 AM.
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        • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
          The point is that the WP printed both articles from both sides. That is balance.
          It's not balance when the Post itself is the other side.
          And conservative opinion pieces are more sprinkled, than layered in the Post.




          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
          Trump makes it quite plain he likes "strong men".


          See above.
          An admiration for strong men has no relation to Manchurian candidate.
          And he got along with that Macron fellow...is he a strong man too in Europe?





          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
          I have no idea if Trump openly colluded with Russia. However, there are lots of threads. We learn to day that the Russians were meddling in the UK Referendum as well and offering the main donor behind the Leave.EU campaign the chance of making potentially enormous profits in a deal featuring a Russian gold company.
          Anyone with any concern for the democratic process should be perturbed by what appears to be happening.
          The *Russian menace* is no more unusual than the *Chinese menace* etc.
          And what, Germany's natural gas relationship with Russie is spearheaded by a former German chancellor? Eh?




          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
          According to you.
          If any of them have behaved in a way that is potentially criminal they should held to account. If they are innnocent they have nothing to fear.
          In Salem I imagine you would have said the innocent have nothing to fear.
          And this involves politics, to boot. Surely you know what politics tends to do to situations.





          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
          Who was also finally jailed for tax evasion.
          Also a very well known man, and notorious.
          How many other Manaforts are out there, all over the place?



          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
          That is an assumption on your part.
          Nah.
          The population can have issues knowing more well known people...ya think they know Manafort?




          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
          I wonder how you would be reacting if all this was about a Democratic President. Would you be defending the individual and his/her associates?
          Depends if there was real evidence.
          People already watched a Democrat with real evidence swirling around be let go, along with everyone involved...even people who are officially said to have knowingly broke the law.



          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
          Yet it doesn't because you have a free press that can present both sides.
          Then you should marvel at Trump's election, since the national media's efforts and desires did not lead to their victory despite all the advantages they enjoy.
          Free information does exist and flow in American society...but it still remains the media that is considered institution-like is quite corrupt and that corruption does hurt the society. And remember in some places in the country Democratic control is absolute and unbreakable.




          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
          The same charge was made against G W Bush over the popular vote, various nefarious practices, and the electoral college.
          Sure, by the same Democrats, liberals.
          Ya see a pattern there?


          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
          Precisely what you are doing with regard to the "liberal" press.


          One person is equal to a bunch of people and so-called institutions, etc.?



          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
          That sounds very bizarre and somewhat hysterical. However, Mr Cuomo is not the entire liberal media. He is just one individual.
          He's a major dude and pontificator on CNN.
          On the transgender issue he has the distinction of saying young girls need to get used to seeing penises in locker rooms or showers or what not, lest they be bi goted.



          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
          You cannot make a dogmatic statement about a hypothetical situation because you simply don't know.
          I know too well.




          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
          That is your opinion. Nothing more.


          Nah, more calculated assessment.
          Last edited by somnia; 08-10-18, 05:00 AM.

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          • Originally posted by DeSanto View Post

            The article doesn’t provide any corroborating evidence for their claims. Nor does your “additional information”.
            What additional information?

            Originally posted by DeSanto View Post

            Why haven’t you checked? Don’t you think it’s important to substantiate claims that are being made... BEFORE you post them?
            If you want to risk going on 4chan that is your choice.

            However, you can find lots of articles online about Q and his/her insane theories. This article has links to others. http://nymag.com/selectall/2017/12/q...explained.html

            What delicious irony in light of current events.

            "He lost the popular vote by a lot and won the election. We should have a revolution in this country"

            Tweet by private citizen Donald J Trump on 6 November 2012

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            • Originally posted by somnia View Post
              [t's not balance when the Post itself is the other side.
              And conservative opinion pieces are more sprinkled, than layered in the Post.
              You never addressed a question I asked earlier.

              How many five minute slots of uninterrupted air time does Fox News give liberals to present their opinions?


              Originally posted by somnia View Post

              An admiration for strong men has no relation to Manchurian candidate.
              Why are you fixated on this reference?

              Originally posted by somnia View Post
              and he got along with that Macron fellow
              Trump claims to "get along" with everyone. Despite his repeated criticisms of Germany and his offensive and inaccurate comments that were made at the recent NATO summit that we cheat the Americans in trade, yet another reference to the BMWs on US roads, the gas from Russia, and our refusal to spend more money on the Bundeswehr, at the end of the NATO summit as the various heads of state and government were engaged in their final working meeting, Trump was suddenly standing behind Merkel as she gave her statement on Afghanistan."He tapped her on the shoulder and indicated that he wanted to say his goodbyes. As Merkel rose in bewilderment, Trump gave her a hug and then planted a kiss on her cheek. He turned to the gathering of NATO allies, grinned and said: "I love her." [see Spiegel Online]

              Originally posted by somnia View Post
              The *Russian menace* is no more unusual than the *Chinese menace* etc.
              They are certainly both inteferring but that is part of what powerful nations do. However, there are concerns that Russia is working to undermine European coalitions like NATO and the EU. The recent report in the British press of one of the Leave EU campaign leaders being (apparently) offered sweetheart deals with a Russian gold company. Despite that individual's repeated earlier claims that he had no dealing with Russia he has now had to concede that he was being less than forthright.

              Originally posted by somnia View Post
              And what, Germany's natural gas relationship with Russie is spearheaded by a former German chancellor? Eh?
              What about it? We get around 38% of our gas from Russia not the 70% claimed by Trump.

              Originally posted by somnia View Post
              In Salem I imagine you would have said the innocent have nothing to fear.
              I have not seen evidence of innocent Republicans being rounded up by the law enforcement agencies yet. Nor have the Democrats yet installed their own version of bocche dei leoni. Your hysteria is becoming palpable.


              Originally posted by somnia View Post
              And this involves politics, to boot. Surely you know what politics tends to do to situations.
              Does that apply to Republican politics? Or just Democrat politics?

              Originally posted by somnia View Post
              Also a very well known man, and notorious.
              Capone also ran soup kitchens for the unemployed during the Depression. What an exemplar of philanthropy.

              Originally posted by somnia View Post
              ow many other Manaforts are out there, all over the place?
              Who knows?

              Originally posted by somnia View Post
              Nah.]The population can have issues knowing more well known people...ya think they know Manafort?
              You are now assuming no one reads or watches political news which begs the question, what are you so concerned about?

              Originally posted by somnia View Post
              Depends if there was real evidence.
              Of course. Or are you suggesting Trump will be "set up" by the evil liberals and their willing henchman, Mueller?

              Originally posted by somnia View Post
              People already watched a Democrat with real evidence swirling around be let go, along with everyone involved...even people who are officially said to have knowingly broke the law.
              Is that real evidence? Or just more conjecture?

              Originally posted by somnia View Post
              Then you should marvel at Trump's election, since the national media's efforts and desires did not lead to their victory despite all the advantages they enjoy.
              As I remarked at the time, from a population of over 300 million Clinton and Trump were the best candidates the USA could find. Trump also appealed to white blue collar workers who felt they had been let down.

              I wait to see when his promised 25 million jobs materialise.

              Originally posted by somnia View Post

              Free information does exist and flow in American society
              Then what is your concern?

              Originally posted by somnia View Post
              ...but it still remains the media that is considered institution-like is quite corrupt and that corruption does hurt the society.
              It seems that anything that does not conform with your personal political viewpoint is "corrupt". You are not making a very strong case.

              Originally posted by somnia View Post
              And remember in some places in the country Democratic control is absolute and unbreakable.
              As no doubt is Republican control in some areas.

              Goodness, you are feeling persecuted, aren't you?

              Originally posted by somnia View Post
              Sure, by the same Democrats, liberals.]Ya see a pattern there?
              On Obama's re-election in 2012, Todd Starnes tweeted "Well the first order of business should be a full investigation of Benghazi - followed by impeachment proceedings."

              Donald Trump tweeted (in hindsight with great irony) "He lost the popular vote by a lot and won the election. We should have a revolution in this country".

              While Ted Nugent tweeted "Pimps whores & welfare brats & their soulless supporters hav a president to destroy America".

              https://www.mediamatters.org/researc...tion-wa/191202

              You can read more of Trump's tweets in reaction to that second term election here https://www.salon.com/2012/11/07/don...or_revolution/

              Originally posted by somnia View Post
              One person is equal to a bunch of people and so-called institutions, etc.?
              What about three individuals? See above.

              It seems from that second article that Trump was tweeting for the very things that the conservatives are now so busy condemning.

              Originally posted by somnia View Post
              He's a major dude and pontificator on CNN.
              As is Todd Starnes for Fox.

              Originally posted by somnia View Post
              On the transgender issue he has the distinction of saying young girls need to get used to seeing penises in locker rooms or showers or what not, lest they be bi goted.
              Now you are displaying your prudery.

              [As an aside, if you have children, have your children never seen either you or your partner naked? If your children are of similar age and of the opposite sex, did they never share a bath together when very little?]

              Originally posted by somnia View Post
              know too well.

              Nah, more calculated assessment.
              Alas, you do not. All you have proffered so far, are your own opinions.
              Last edited by Hypatia_Alexandria; 08-10-18, 10:33 AM.
              What delicious irony in light of current events.

              "He lost the popular vote by a lot and won the election. We should have a revolution in this country"

              Tweet by private citizen Donald J Trump on 6 November 2012

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              • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                What additional information?
                You said:

                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                I posted the article with some additional information.
                I assumed you meant you posted the article... along with some additional information.

                But the problem is... the article doesn’t back up their claims with any facts. So, how can we know if all this garbage you’ve posted is true? Could be fake news!

                If you want to risk going on 4chan that is your choice.
                Sounds dangerous! It almost sounds as if you’re telling me I should be afraid to do research for myself.

                However, you can find lots of articles online about Q and his/her insane theories. This article has links to others. http://nymag.com/selectall/2017/12/q...explained.html
                Ny mag? Sounds like a tabloid. I’ll check it out, but I doubt it will link to and original sources. I’ve yet to see any outlet conducting this smear campaign against q followers cite any actual q post or link directly to the q board for people to observe and form their own opinion.

                I wonder why that is?
                Kyrie eleison

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                • Originally posted by DeSanto View Post

                  You said:



                  I assumed you meant you posted the article... along with some additional information.

                  But the problem is... the article doesn’t back up their claims with any facts.
                  What facts are you considering?


                  Originally posted by DeSanto View Post
                  Sounds dangerous! It almost sounds as if you’re telling me I should be afraid to do research for myself.
                  You are free to do entirely as you wish.

                  This from WikiHow, "Browsing 4chan for the first time can be an overwhelming experience. Some boards, like the Random board, are filled with images and language that would offend or disgust most people. Other boards, like Auto or Technology, contain constructive discussions about useful topics. Visit the 4chan homepage to see its list of boards, and click on a title you find interesting. Browse its threads, or ďlurk,Ē in order to get a feel for its slang and culture. Avoid clicking on strange links, donít follow advice that seems unsafe, and never post any personal information on 4chan or any other online forum."

                  From 4chan's Disclaimer for the Politically Incorrect board (where Q initially posts).

                  To access this section of 4chan (the "website"), you understand and agree to the following:
                  1. The content of this website is for mature audiences only and may not be suitable for minors. If you are a minor or it is illegal for you to access mature images and language, do not proceed.
                  2. This website is presented to you AS IS, with no warranty, express or implied. By clicking "I Agree," you agree not to hold 4chan responsible for any damages from your use of the website, and you understand that the content posted is not owned or generated by 4chan, but rather by 4chan's users.
                  3. As a condition of using this website, you agree to comply with the "Rules" of 4chan, which are also linked on the home page. Please read the Rules carefully, because they are important
                  You are free to "Accept" or "Cancel". If you consider your anti-virus software is up to date and robust - feel free to click and go.

                  Originally posted by DeSanto View Post
                  ll check it out, but I doubt it will link to and original sources.
                  Good for you.

                  Originally posted by DeSanto View Post
                  I've yet to see any outlet conducting this smear campaign against q followers cite any actual q post or link directly to the q board for people to observe and form their own opinion.

                  I wonder why that is?
                  Everyone is free to make up their own mind.
                  What delicious irony in light of current events.

                  "He lost the popular vote by a lot and won the election. We should have a revolution in this country"

                  Tweet by private citizen Donald J Trump on 6 November 2012

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                  • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                    What facts are you considering?
                    Oh, I donít know... maybe some actual quotes.

                    You are free to do entirely as you wish.

                    This from WikiHow, "Browsing 4chan for the first time can be an overwhelming experience. Some boards, like the Random board, are filled with images and language that would offend or disgust most people. Other boards, like Auto or Technology, contain constructive discussions about useful topics. Visit the 4chan homepage to see its list of boards, and click on a title you find interesting. Browse its threads, or “lurk,” in order to get a feel for its slang and culture. Avoid clicking on strange links, don’t follow advice that seems unsafe, and never post any personal information on 4chan or any other online forum."

                    From 4chan's Disclaimer for the Politically Incorrect board (where Q initially posts).

                    To access this section of 4chan (the "website"), you understand and agree to the following:
                    1. The content of this website is for mature audiences only and may not be suitable for minors. If you are a minor or it is illegal for you to access mature images and language, do not proceed.
                    2. This website is presented to you AS IS, with no warranty, express or implied. By clicking "I Agree," you agree not to hold 4chan responsible for any damages from your use of the website, and you understand that the content posted is not owned or generated by 4chan, but rather by 4chan's users.
                    3. [I]As a condition of using this website, you agree to comply with the "Rules" of 4chan, which are also linked on the home page. Please read the Rules carefully, because they are important[/
                    You are free to "Accept" or "Cancel". If you consider your anti-virus software is up to date and robust - feel free to click and go.

                    Good for you.

                    Everyone is free to make up their own mind.
                    Well, if you had done your research, you would know q doesnít post on 4 Chan. But you believe what you want.
                    Kyrie eleison

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                    • Originally posted by DeSanto View Post

                      Oh, I don’t know... maybe some actual quotes.



                      Well, if you had done your research, you would know q doesn’t post on 4 Chan. But you believe what you want.
                      My mistake. He's now moved to 8chan.

                      What delicious irony in light of current events.

                      "He lost the popular vote by a lot and won the election. We should have a revolution in this country"

                      Tweet by private citizen Donald J Trump on 6 November 2012

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                      • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                        My mistake. He's now moved to 8chan.
                        I think he has his own private board that he posts on. No one else can post to it or comment on it. I think he watches the 8chan boards though and will sometimes confirm questions or comments anons on 8chan direct towards him... but he will only respond through his own private board.
                        Kyrie eleison

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                        • Originally posted by DeSanto View Post

                          I think he has his own private board that he posts on. No one else can post to it or comment on it. I think he watches the 8chan boards though and will sometimes confirm questions or comments anons on 8chan direct towards him... but he will only respond through his own private board.
                          You certainly know more about his activities than the rest of us.
                          What delicious irony in light of current events.

                          "He lost the popular vote by a lot and won the election. We should have a revolution in this country"

                          Tweet by private citizen Donald J Trump on 6 November 2012

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                          • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            You never addressed a question I asked earlier.
                            How many five minute slots of uninterrupted air time does Fox News give liberals to present their opinions?
                            I believe I did, so my answer may repeated itself.
                            I know there is debate on Fox News and I also know people are allowed to voice their stuff. Even far out people. 5 minutes? Dunno...maybe in some cases, or not.



                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            Why are you fixated on this reference?
                            Trump claims to "get along" with everyone. Despite his repeated criticisms of Germany and his offensive and inaccurate comments that were made at the recent NATO summit that we cheat the Americans in trade, yet another reference to the BMWs on US roads, the gas from Russia, and our refusal to spend more money on the Bundeswehr, at the end of the NATO summit as the various heads of state and government were engaged in their final working meeting, Trump was suddenly standing behind Merkel as she gave her statement on Afghanistan."He tapped her on the shoulder and indicated that he wanted to say his goodbyes. As Merkel rose in bewilderment, Trump gave her a hug and then planted a kiss on her cheek. He turned to the gathering of NATO allies, grinned and said: "I love her." [see Spiegel Online]
                            The centerpiece of the conspiracy theories is that Trump is a Manchurian candidate of some type.
                            And I do believe it's often acknowledged that Macron and Trump seemed to get along better than the other Euro leaders did.
                            As for Trump and Germany...surely you see diplomatic process?


                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            They are certainly both inteferring but that is part of what powerful nations do. However, there are concerns that Russia is working to undermine European coalitions like NATO and the EU. The recent report in the British press of one of the Leave EU campaign leaders being (apparently) offered sweetheart deals with a Russian gold company. Despite that individual's repeated earlier claims that he had no dealing with Russia he has now had to concede that he was being less than forthright.
                            If one was Russia of course one would be trying to undermine the EU or NATO.
                            But under Trump NATO has gotten bigger and also has been pushed to become stronger. Such as Euro nations getting more serious about their defense.
                            As for the report you refer to...seems to lots and lots of people have (secret) dealings with Russia or elsewhere. That itself does not support conspiracy theory.


                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            What about it? We get around 38% of our gas from Russia not the 70% claimed by Trump.
                            Still a sizable chunk and a coziness with what is supposed to have inflicted a 9/11 level attack on the USA, if one listens to American liberals. As well as you say, a country that seeks to undermine the EU and NATO.
                            I could go further with a political cudgel, but I think you can see the point.


                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            I have not seen evidence of innocent Republicans being rounded up by the law enforcement agencies yet. Nor have the Democrats yet installed their own version of bocche dei leoni. Your hysteria is becoming palpable.
                            Some Dems keep talking up if they get power in Congress that Trump will be impeached. Based on what, they got little to say, but they wanna impeach.
                            And surely you've seen it talked up that Trump Jr. should go down criminally for that meeting with the Russkie lawyer?



                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            Does that apply to Republican politics? Or just Democrat politics?
                            Sure, but they don't got the same advantages as the Dems.




                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            Who knows?
                            I'd say plenty.


                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            You are now assuming no one reads or watches political news which begs the question, what are you so concerned about?
                            Seeps into popular culture, headlines, etc.
                            Plus the press has claimed credit for getting that Infowars guy booted off platforms, etc. Politicians often times are fearful of the press, even if said press is less effective with some voters.


                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            Of course. Or are you suggesting Trump will be "set up" by the evil liberals and their willing henchman, Mueller?
                            Set up in what way?


                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            Is that real evidence? Or just more conjecture?
                            The Hillary investigation handed out a lot of immunity that produced nothing for it. One immunity was for a tech guy who knowingly bleached data that he knew was under Congressional order to not disappear.
                            https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/09/us/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-investigation.html
                            Notice how one could say he also lied to the FBI.


                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            As I remarked at the time, from a population of over 300 million Clinton and Trump were the best candidates the USA could find. Trump also appealed to white blue collar workers who felt they had been let down.
                            I wait to see when his promised 25 million jobs materialise.
                            He has been producing a strong and optimistic economy.



                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            It seems that anything that does not conform with your personal political viewpoint is "corrupt". You are not making a very strong case.
                            I wasn't aware journalists were supposed to be pushing a particular political viewpoint.


                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            As no doubt is Republican control in some areas.
                            Goodness, you are feeling persecuted, aren't you?
                            They don't control NYC or L.A. or Chicago, etc.
                            And last I heard, people were leaving Cali in droves, so.



                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            On Obama's re-election in 2012, Todd Starnes tweeted "Well the first order of business should be a full investigation of Benghazi - followed by impeachment proceedings."
                            Donald Trump tweeted (in hindsight with great irony) "He lost the popular vote by a lot and won the election. We should have a revolution in this country".
                            While Ted Nugent tweeted "Pimps whores & welfare brats & their soulless supporters hav a president to destroy America".
                            You can read more of Trump's tweets in reaction to that second term election here https://www.salon.com/2012/11/07/don...or_revolution/
                            What about three individuals? See above.
                            It seems from that second article that Trump was tweeting for the very things that the conservatives are now so busy condemning.
                            You use MediaMatters as a source...you should know what they objected to in that link they do not now object about with Trump.
                            But none of that stuff said Obama stole the election. And I'm sure wasn't welcomed by other news networks.


                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            As is Todd Starnes for Fox.
                            Being at Fox means being bashed much more.


                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            Now you are displaying your prudery.
                            [As an aside, if you have children, have your children never seen either you or your partner naked? If your children are of similar age and of the opposite sex, did they never share a bath together when very little?]
                            There are reasons bathroom or locker room facilities are not co-ed. It has nothing to do with "prudery".
                            And it's ridiculous to suggest, as Cuomo did, that a 12 year old girl is "intolerant" for not being ok seeing a penis in the locker room she is in. The dude should have been fired.


                            Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                            Alas, you do not. All you have proffered so far, are your own opinions.
                            You will have to look beyond MediaMatters to see the truth, I'm afraid.
                            And you are dreaming if you think the press would ease up on Trump if he acted a bit differently.

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                            • Originally posted by somnia View Post
                              I believe I did, so my answer may repeated itself.
                              I know there is debate on Fox News and I also know people are allowed to voice their stuff. Even far out people. 5 minutes? Dunno...maybe in some cases, or not.
                              Is this platform regularly offered?

                              Originally posted by somnia View Post

                              The centerpiece of the conspiracy theories is that Trump is a Manchurian candidate of some type.
                              Is it?

                              Originally posted by somnia View Post
                              And I do believe it's often acknowledged that Macron and Trump seemed to get along better than the other Euro leaders did.
                              Macron impressed him with his big parade last July. Not forgetting that Macron has a "fruity" wife, something Trump clearly appreciated on their first meeting.


                              Originally posted by somnia View Post
                              As for Trump and Germany...surely you see diplomatic process?
                              I wonder if it goes deeper than that.

                              The tactic of his father to claim the family were Swedish during and after WW2. The fact that his grandfather was told he would not be allowed to have his German citizenship back and that he was given a matter of weeks to leave the country or risk deportation.

                              Trump clearly takes any slight against himself, or his family, somewhat personally.

                              Originally posted by somnia View Post
                              If one was Russia of course one would be trying to undermine the EU or NATO.
                              We at least agree on that.

                              Originally posted by somnia View Post
                              But under Trump NATO has gotten bigger
                              Montenegro? Population around 643,000? Gosh we really are aiming for world domination.

                              Originally posted by somnia View Post
                              and also has been pushed to become stronger. Such as Euro nations getting more serious about their defense.
                              All that was agreed in 2014.

                              Originally posted by somnia View Post
                              As for the report you refer to...seems to lots and lots of people have (secret) dealings with Russia or elsewhere. That itself does not support conspiracy theory.
                              It raises questions when those individuals lie about their dealings.

                              Originally posted by somnia View Post
                              Still a sizable chunk and a coziness with what is supposed to have inflicted a 9/11 level attack on the USA, if one listens to American liberals. As well as you say, a country that seeks to undermine the EU and NATO.
                              Where has Russia been accused of the 9/11 attacks?

                              I'd also point out that the majority of those terrorists came from Saudi. That has not prevented the USA continuing its relationship with that country.

                              You might find this (from 2014) of interest. http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-967682.html

                              Originally posted by somnia View Post
                              Some Dems keep talking up if they get power in Congress that Trump will be impeached. Based on what, they got little to say, but they wanna impeach.
                              I don't think it is as easy as that. However, if a President has brought the office into disrepute or has been found guilty of "high crimes and misdemeanours" is there not a case for impeachment? Clinton was impeached for lying about a sexual relationship, which some might consider rather a rather unimportant side issue that had no bearing on his office.

                              The matter that he lied about it was what brought down opprobrium upon him, not the act itself.

                              Originally posted by somnia View Post
                              And surely you've seen it talked up that Trump Jr. should go down criminally for that meeting with the Russkie lawyer?
                              Only if he is found guilty.

                              Originally posted by somnia View Post
                              Sure, but they don't got the same advantages as the Dems.
                              Is there incontrovertible and verifiable evidence to support that contention?

                              Originally posted by somnia View Post
                              I'd say plenty.
                              You would.

                              Originally posted by somnia View Post

                              Seeps into popular culture, headlines, etc.
                              Plus the press has claimed credit for getting that Infowars guy booted off platforms, etc. Politicians often times are fearful of the press, even if said press is less effective with some voters.
                              All that will not affect any prosecutions. The law is not subject to the vagaries of public opinion.

                              Originally posted by somnia View Post

                              Set up in what way?
                              You tell me. You appear to be under the impression that the media and public opinion has the power to remove a President.

                              Originally posted by somnia View Post

                              The Hillary investigation handed out a lot of immunity that produced nothing for it. One immunity was for a tech guy who knowingly bleached data that he knew was under Congressional order to not disappear.
                              https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/09/us/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-investigation.html
                              Notice how one could say he also lied to the FBI.
                              Deleting sensitive information is wrong, but it is not something with which Trump is unfamiliar. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/p...dent/85795082/

                              Originally posted by somnia View Post

                              He has been producing a strong and optimistic economy.
                              He inherited an economy that was not overly weak. Of course any leader does some good. Although I might ask if the additional funding promised to the police has yet materialised.

                              Originally posted by somnia View Post


                              I wasn't aware journalists were supposed to be pushing a particular political viewpoint.
                              Yet you have no objection to conservative journalists doing so. How do you square that circle?

                              Originally posted by somnia View Post

                              They don't control NYC or L.A. or Chicago, etc.
                              And last I heard, people were leaving Cali in droves, so.
                              The USA is somewhat larger than California, NYC, and Chicago.

                              Originally posted by somnia View Post

                              [LEFT]You use MediaMatters as a source...you should know what they objected to in that link they do not now object about with Trump.
                              That article merely showed various tweets.

                              I'd also remind you that your own preferred news outlets are not free from bias.

                              Originally posted by somnia View Post
                              But none of that stuff said Obama stole the election. And I'm sure wasn't welcomed by other news networks.
                              Trump thought Obama had, and Trump called for revolution.


                              Originally posted by somnia View Post
                              Being at Fox means being bashed much more.
                              Why? That reads like paranoia.

                              Originally posted by somnia View Post

                              There are reasons bathroom or locker room facilities are not co-ed. It has nothing to do with "prudery".
                              Oh I think it has a lot to do with prudery. The Anglophone nations seem to have some very peculiar attitudes towards the human body.


                              Originally posted by somnia View Post
                              And it's ridiculous to suggest, as Cuomo did, that a 12 year old girl is "intolerant" for not being ok seeing a penis in the locker room she is in. The dude should have been fired.
                              That is most likely because the USA is so prudish about human anatomy.

                              A penis is a penis. It poses no threat in and of itself.

                              It is just part of the male anatomy. If a twelve year old girl did catch sight of the appendage - how is she harmed by that experience?

                              Of course if she's been kept away from such sights, having never witnessed her male siblings or father naked, it might well be shock.

                              However, that is not the fault of the penis, but of the society that encourages prudery and shame about the naked body.

                              Originally posted by somnia View Post
                              You will have to look beyond MediaMatters to see the truth, I'm afraid.
                              You may have to do likewise and look beyond your Newsbuster site.
                              Originally posted by somnia View Post
                              And you are dreaming if you think the press would ease up on Trump if he acted a bit differently.
                              You cannot know that. Indeed I recall reading that there was an opinion being expressed that once he was in office his behaviours would change when the gravitas of that position became apparent to him.

                              ​​​​​​​Those expectations proved wrong.
                              What delicious irony in light of current events.

                              "He lost the popular vote by a lot and won the election. We should have a revolution in this country"

                              Tweet by private citizen Donald J Trump on 6 November 2012

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                              • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                Is this platform regularly offered?
                                Even in primetime, really.

                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                Is it?
                                Mmmhmm.

                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                Macron impressed him with his big parade last July. Not forgetting that Macron has a "fruity" wife, something Trump clearly appreciated on their first meeting.
                                As I recall they tried to outdo handshakes, etc.


                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                I wonder if it goes deeper than that.

                                The tactic of his father to claim the family were Swedish during and after WW2. The fact that his grandfather was told he would not be allowed to have his German citizenship back and that he was given a matter of weeks to leave the country or risk deportation.

                                Trump clearly takes any slight against himself, or his family, somewhat personally.
                                Reaching, I'd say...I would suggest I has more to do with Germany's reputation as EU's most powerful country, and also one whose leadership at first very happily accepted the refugee crisis.
                                Merkel is especially vulnerable due to her mistake with the refugees.

                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                Montenegro? Population around 643,000? Gosh we really are aiming for world domination.
                                Russia was outraged by the expansion, and the supposedly Russian owned Trump admin offered no objection to the expansion.

                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                All that was agreed in 2014.
                                They have needed prodding.

                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                It raises questions when those individuals lie about their dealings.
                                It may, but that also is not unusual in the world of politics and profiteering in politics.

                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                Where has Russia been accused of the 9/11 attacks?

                                I'd also point out that the majority of those terrorists came from Saudi. That has not prevented the USA continuing its relationship with that country.[/quote

                                You might find this (from 2014) of interest. http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-967682.html
                                According to liberals Russian meddling was like 9/11 or Pearl Harbor. That it was that serious.

                                And indeed we still have a relationship with Saudi Arabia...and in terms of your link there would be a cost to severing with Russia. But as you point out one doesn't have to sever with Russia any more than USA with the Saudis. Although independence would perhaps be preferable in the future.

                                But the Democrats in their McCarthyite mood and politics would pounce upon such a relationship with Russia...were it a USA relationship. Russia has been cast so suddenly as such a dark foe that any sacrifice would be demanded for the sake of Democratic politics.

                                Perhaps you see the truth of the situation now, if hypothetically it was applied to Germany.

                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                I don't think it is as easy as that. However, if a President has brought the office into disrepute or has been found guilty of "high crimes and misdemeanours" is there not a case for impeachment? Clinton was impeached for lying about a sexual relationship, which some might consider rather a rather unimportant side issue that had no bearing on his office.

                                The matter that he lied about it was what brought down opprobrium upon him, not the act itself.
                                A lawyer perjuring himself, sure. Though he was not removed from office.

                                But the Democrats have not even a small case for impeachment.

                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                Only if he is found guilty.
                                Whether he was or not, the damage would be done.

                                Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                Is there incontrovertible and verifiable evidence to support that contention?
                                Republicans/conservatives do not dominate the national media, academia, or Hol

                                You would.

                                All that will not affect any prosecutions. The law is not subject to the vagaries of public opinion.

                                You tell me. You appear to be under the impression that the media and public opinion has the power to remove a President.

                                Deleting sensitive information is wrong, but it is not something with which Trump is unfamiliar. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/p...dent/85795082/

                                He inherited an economy that was not overly weak. Of course any leader does some good. Although I might ask if the additional funding promised to the police has yet materialised.

                                Yet you have no objection to conservative journalists doing so. How do you square that circle?

                                The USA is somewhat larger than California, NYC, and Chicago.

                                That article merely showed various tweets.

                                I'd also remind you that your own preferred news outlets are not free from bias.

                                Trump thought Obama had, and Trump called for revolution.


                                Why? That reads like paranoia.

                                Oh I think it has a lot to do with prudery. The Anglophone nations seem to have some very peculiar attitudes towards the human body.


                                That is most likely because the USA is so prudish about human anatomy.

                                A penis is a penis. It poses no threat in and of itself.

                                It is just part of the male anatomy. If a twelve year old girl did catch sight of the appendage - how is she harmed by that experience?

                                Of course if she's been kept away from such sights, having never witnessed her male siblings or father naked, it might well be shock.

                                However, that is not the fault of the penis, but of the society that encourages prudery and shame about the naked body.

                                You may have to do likewise and look beyond your Newsbuster site.
                                You cannot know that. Indeed I recall reading that there was an opinion being expressed that once he was in office his behaviours would change when the gravitas of that position became apparent to him.

                                ​​​​​​​Those expectations proved wrong.
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