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    It would be edifying to know exactly what evidence can be presented against Kavanaugh regarding the accusation made against him. Note, for the record, he was 17 at the time and she was 15 and this event, in a private home unidentified, was first revealed in a counseling session years later, but with no details. The actual time and place and witnesses do not seem to be part of the accusation. So, unless these facts are incorrect, what actual evidence can be presented to prove that the charges are true? (Police reports, comments to friends, etc.) Thank you and it is not my fault.
    “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite."-Madison

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    Originally posted by Maxmus View Post
    It would be edifying to know exactly what evidence can be presented against Kavanaugh regarding the accusation made against him. Note, for the record, he was 17 at the time and she was 15 and this event, in a private home unidentified, was first revealed in a counseling session years later, but with no details. The actual time and place and witnesses do not seem to be part of the accusation. So, unless these facts are incorrect, what actual evidence can be presented to prove that the charges are true? (Police reports, comments to friends, etc.) Thank you and it is not my fault.
    She said she told no-one. She can't furnish her blood alcohol test. Need independent corroboration. Her letter is not a sworn affidavit. It seems her letter must be offered for review.

    "so Brett where were you on the nights of your junior and senior years? " If there was a date, he may be able to see if that was the night he played on the team.

    She offers as much evidence as we have on The Russians. We don't have reason to believe it was Brett and no one else.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Maxmus View Post
      It would be edifying to know exactly what evidence can be presented against Kavanaugh regarding the accusation made against him.
      "Edifying"?

      This isn't a trial. This is a three-ring circus in which Senate Republicans will attempt to show that they're concerned about these allegations, in order to not alienate Independents or female voters or the two female Senators. Yet the truth - which everyone understands - is that they're going to vote to confirm no matter what the circus reveals. They do not care about evidence; they only care about not losing elections in the mid-terms.

      So, you can talk about edifying evidence, but you'll be missing the point.
      Herpes originated in Oneness fertility rituals.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by America View Post
        "Edifying"?

        This isn't a trial. This is a three-ring circus in which Senate Republicans will attempt to show that they're concerned about these allegations, in order to not alienate Independents or female voters or the two female Senators. Yet the truth - which everyone understands - is that they're going to vote to confirm no matter what the circus reveals. They do not care about evidence; they only care about not losing elections in the mid-terms.

        So, you can talk about edifying evidence, but you'll be missing the point.
        Actually, it is a Democrat-strategized show trial by which to not-so-subtly implant in the minds of voters that Judge Cavanaugh is a rapist and the Republicans are mean old white men who don't care about women's "pain."
        "For the eyes of the LORD move to and fro throughout the earth that He may strongly support those whose heart is completely His...." 2 Chronicles 16:9 NASB

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Maxmus View Post
          It would be edifying to know exactly what evidence can be presented against Kavanaugh regarding the accusation made against him. Note, for the record, he was 17 at the time and she was 15 and this event, in a private home unidentified, was first revealed in a counseling session years later, but with no details. The actual time and place and witnesses do not seem to be part of the accusation. So, unless these facts are incorrect, what actual evidence can be presented to prove that the charges are true? (Police reports, comments to friends, etc.) Thank you and it is not my fault.
          How do you know if any of his prosecutors read this forum?

          Yeah, well, your 'defense' of Kavanaugh works about as well as Ed Whelan's.

          Here's what convinces me Blasey's story is credible. The most obvious clue is a woman with as much to lose as she has is very unlikely to tell the most enormous lie of the century AND request the FBI investigate it and point out two witnesses to her lie they can question, too.

          The only come back to that is a massive conspiracy theory which will be much less credible than the obvious.

          But what about the timing? I know -- it is beyond suspicious. Partisans will insist the timing discredits her accusation, but people on the verge of a security clearance don't get exonerated because the negative finding came in a day before it was to be granted.

          P.S. I don't know what y'all expected after Mitch McConnell's in-your-face dirty tricks. The Dems to keep on playing by the rules? This is about winning, not about playing by the rules.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by America View Post
            "Edifying"?

            This isn't a trial. This is a three-ring circus in which Senate Republicans will attempt to show that they're concerned about these allegations, in order to not alienate Independents or female voters or the two female Senators. Yet the truth - which everyone understands - is that they're going to vote to confirm no matter what the circus reveals. They do not care about evidence; they only care about not losing elections in the mid-terms.

            So, you can talk about edifying evidence, but you'll be missing the point.
            Once again you seem focused on Republicans, and backing Democrats.

            You do know of course that no matter what Democrats will not vote to confirm him? They already were like that.

            And the circus is the making of the Democrats. You speak as if Republicans started this thing.

            And you do know Democrats and the media have already made Kavanaugh out as a guilty, guilty man?


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            • #7
              Circus tent blather:

              Originally posted by America View Post
              "Edifying"?

              This isn't a trial. This is a three-ring circus in which Senate Republicans will attempt to show that they're concerned about these allegations, in order to not alienate Independents or female voters or the two female Senators. Yet the truth - which everyone understands - is that they're going to vote to confirm no matter what the circus reveals. They do not care about evidence; they only care about not losing elections in the mid-terms.

              So, you can talk about edifying evidence, but you'll be missing the point.
              You are not lawyer. Most in Congress are and the accused has a right to be in front of accuser and a right to see evidence. We do not see your biased partisan slant opposing 15 year old girls drinking and involved with fornication.

              The Ford delivered no evidence,. You don't understand the word evidence.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by somnia View Post

                Once again you seem focused on Republicans, and backing Democrats.

                You do know of course that no matter what Democrats will not vote to confirm him? They already were like that.

                And the circus is the making of the Democrats. You speak as if Republicans started this thing.

                And you do know Democrats and the media have already made Kavanaugh out as a guilty, guilty man?

                Not to mention their silence on Ellison. There isn’t only one party here showing they don’t care about the results.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kastewart View Post

                  How do you know if any of his prosecutors read this forum?

                  Yeah, well, your 'defense' of Kavanaugh works about as well as Ed Whelan's.

                  Here's what convinces me Blasey's story is credible. The most obvious clue is a woman with as much to lose as she has is very unlikely to tell the most enormous lie of the century AND request the FBI investigate it and point out two witnesses to her lie they can question, too.

                  The only come back to that is a massive conspiracy theory which will be much less credible than the obvious.
                  Except she doesn't have a thing in the world to lose.
                  Indeed, this whole thing seems to have been carefully framed so she doesn't lose either way. Herstory is vague enough that an FBI or any other investigation will come up inconclusive. It is just he said she said. No important details ( no place or date - not even year) that could unwittingly turn up something that shows her to not be telling the truth.

                  And if Kavanaugh gets canned over it she gets neverending praise and hero worship from the folks on the left who are convinced kavanaugh wants to shove his hand up their uterus.

                  and if he gets pushed through, she gets to play the martyr and the figurehead for the liberaltale of howmuch Republicans hate women, etc., and Kavanaugh gets a shadow on his entire term.

                  Oh and either way she likely gets a nice cozy book deal out of it.

                  So yeah, whether she is telling the truth or not, she has nothing to lose
                  A forum liberal
                  "When you claimed black people were raped, wasn't that racist? I'd say so."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GondwanaLand View Post
                    Except she doesn't have a thing in the world to lose.
                    Indeed, this whole thing seems to have been carefully framed so she doesn't lose either way. Herstory is vague enough that an FBI or any other investigation will come up inconclusive. It is just he said she said. No important details ( no place or date - not even year) that could unwittingly turn up something that shows her to not be telling the truth.

                    And if Kavanaugh gets canned over it she gets neverending praise and hero worship from the folks on the left who are convinced kavanaugh wants to shove his hand up their uterus.

                    and if he gets pushed through, she gets to play the martyr and the figurehead for the liberaltale of howmuch Republicans hate women, etc., and Kavanaugh gets a shadow on his entire term.

                    Oh and either way she likely gets a nice cozy book deal out of it.

                    So yeah, whether she is telling the truth or not, she has nothing to lose
                    Yep this is obvious.

                    And she has a tremendous amount to gain, and has already gained.

                    So, we have motive.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Kastewart View Post

                      How do you know if any of his prosecutors read this forum?

                      Yeah, well, your 'defense' of Kavanaugh works about as well as Ed Whelan's.

                      Here's what convinces me Blasey's story is credible. The most obvious clue is a woman with as much to lose as she has is very unlikely to tell the most enormous lie of the century AND request the FBI investigate it and point out two witnesses to her lie they can question, too.

                      The only come back to that is a massive conspiracy theory which will be much less credible than the obvious.

                      But what about the timing? I know -- it is beyond suspicious. Partisans will insist the timing discredits her accusation, but people on the verge of a security clearance don't get exonerated because the negative finding came in a day before it was to be granted.

                      P.S. I don't know what y'all expected after Mitch McConnell's in-your-face dirty tricks. The Dems to keep on playing by the rules? This is about winning, not about playing by the rules.
                      Requesting an investigation IS playing by the rules. That is what happened when Anita Hill came forward, and it is what should happen this time as well. Republicans are in a rush to get this through with arbitrary deadlines. They know they have a flawed candidate, and don't want any more of his flaws to surface before the vote.
                      Reality rules, Honor the truth - in memory of Chem1st.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Simpletruther View Post
                        Yep this is obvious.

                        And she has a tremendous amount to gain, and has already gained.

                        So, we have motive.
                        She was forced to leave her home. Her children are in hiding. She and her husband can't go to work. RWers are doing their best to drag her through the mud. This is not my view of a tremendous gain.
                        Reality rules, Honor the truth - in memory of Chem1st.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by America View Post
                          "Edifying"?

                          This isn't a trial. This is a three-ring circus in which Senate Republicans will attempt to show that they're concerned about these allegations, in order to not alienate Independents or female voters or the two female Senators. Yet the truth - which everyone understands - is that they're going to vote to confirm no matter what the circus reveals. They do not care about evidence; they only care about not losing elections in the mid-terms.

                          So, you can talk about edifying evidence, but you'll be missing the point.
                          First of all, let us hope the rules of law are adhered to with basic rights protected for both parties. She made an accusation. Republicans did not. If she is to be believed, I ask again, what is the evidence that he is guilty?
                          “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite."-Madison

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kastewart View Post

                            How do you know if any of his prosecutors read this forum?

                            Yeah, well, your 'defense' of Kavanaugh works about as well as Ed Whelan's.

                            Here's what convinces me Blasey's story is credible. The most obvious clue is a woman with as much to lose as she has is very unlikely to tell the most enormous lie of the century AND request the FBI investigate it and point out two witnesses to her lie they can question, too.

                            The only come back to that is a massive conspiracy theory which will be much less credible than the obvious.

                            But what about the timing? I know -- it is beyond suspicious. Partisans will insist the timing discredits her accusation, but people on the verge of a security clearance don't get exonerated because the negative finding came in a day before it was to be granted.

                            P.S. I don't know what y'all expected after Mitch McConnell's in-your-face dirty tricks. The Dems to keep on playing by the rules? This is about winning, not about playing by the rules.
                            It is, of course, impossible for me to know who reads this. Secondly, by evidence I mean substantiated facts that are irrefutable beyond a reasonable doubt.
                            “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite."-Madison

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by vibise View Post

                              She was forced to leave her home. Her children are in hiding. She and her husband can't go to work. RWers are doing their best to drag her through the mud. This is not my view of a tremendous gain.
                              There have been threats against the other side as well. What evidence do you have that she was "forced" to leave her home? It is not evidence.
                              “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite."-Madison

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