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Our oceans broke heat records in 2018 and the consequences are catastrophic

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  • Our oceans broke heat records in 2018 and the consequences are catastrophic

    Last year was the hottest ever measured, continuing an upward trend that is a direct result of manmade greenhouse gas emissions.

    The key to the measurements is the oceans. Oceans absorb more than 90% of the heat that results from greenhouse gases, so if you want to measure global warming you really have to measure ocean warming.
    ...

    Ocean warming is incontrovertible proof of global warming, and there are real consequences to a warming ocean.
    Drastic measures will now be needed because we have waited so late. This is a direct result of dishonest propaganda from climate de-niers and the willful ignorance of right-wingers.

    You people have created your own boogeymen.



    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...e_iOSApp_Other

  • #2
    I wonder how the "climate change deniers" explain the fact that sea levels have risen over the past century, to the point where coastal cities around the world are forced to spend billions of dollars protecting against flooding. And not just flooding caused by catastrophic events like hurricanes, but flooding caused by regular high tides.

    "Cities around the US are flooding at high tide and on sunny days at record rates - here's what it's like"

    https://www.businessinsider.com/sea-...-cities-2018-4
    "Make America Rake Again"

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    • #3
      Originally posted by backup View Post

      Drastic measures will now be needed because we have waited so late. This is a direct result of dishonest propaganda from climate de-niers and the willful ignorance of right-wingers.

      You people have created your own boogeymen.



      https://www.theguardian.com/environm...e_iOSApp_Other
      As the oceans rise (even the small rise we have so far) the line of brackish groundwater is pushing inland, North Carolina has confirmed cases of soils damaged by salinity. Massachusetts and New Jersey have rumored cases of farmland becoming unusable to grow agricultural crops.

      We have passed the point where we can deny it is happening.

      The USDA heat zone maps are shifting, as are the (cumulative) growing degree days. The result is a subtle shift in agriculture

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      • #4
        Originally posted by backup View Post

        Drastic measures will now be needed because we have waited so late. This is a direct result of dishonest propaganda from climate de-niers and the willful ignorance of right-wingers.
        You people have created your own boogeymen.
        [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2019/jan/16/our-oceans-broke-heat-records-in-2018-and-the-consequences-are-catastrophic?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
        n>Ha!

        Originally posted by backup View Post

        ... dishonest ... de-niers ... willful ignorance ...
        n>Coming from you that is delicious! Then the rest of your mess...

        n>Poor people. When people run around screaming, "The sky is falling!" they are desperate and what might they do besides scream and run? They might do other desperate things. Hopelessness and depression often lead to strange and destructive actions, right? Will your poor screamers and runners also take other measures since "there is no hope ... it's too late... the end is now... or in 12 years... humans are evil... humans are killing the world... even abiogenesis and a new LUCA and evil can't save the earth... blablabla... waaaa... ". Gonna deny that?

        So! Green Godless evols! Whaddaya gonna do now? Are you gonna act besides cry and blame and wail and despair? Or maybe that is the best you can do? Guilt humans into ... what? What is your actual agenda... besides crying and screaming and wailing and blaming and guilting and running around in despair? Gonna scream at the sky? Hint: That's been tried by your silly kind. If that's all you have, then I have a message for you: zip it... you are making yourself and "your own boogeyman" look even more pathetic. Sheesh! How about a little maturity with your kind? That might be nice.

        .
        Mouser Larry Roy: "yippee ki yay"
        “... see the loonies in their cages… are they not witty… how much amusement they afford… ours is a human world, theirs is a bestial world… " Bedlam

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        • #5
          Originally posted by backup View Post

          Drastic measures will now be needed because we have waited so late. This is a direct result of dishonest propaganda from climate de-niers and the willful ignorance of right-wingers.

          You people have created your own boogeymen.



          https://www.theguardian.com/environm...e_iOSApp_Other
          Were all going to die!!! LOL Spare me Just let the Communists take over and all will be good.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by reformedguy View Post

            Were all going to die!!!
            Life is a terminal disease.

            However, the ethical obscenity is that we are destroying millions of other species, upon many of which, our ultimate survival will depend.

            Macrofauna may be whimsical and appealing but the massive collapse of invertebrate life has a far more worrying long term implication.
            Last edited by Hypatia_Alexandria; 03-17-19, 09:58 AM.
            On the evidence:

            If there were no Patriarchs, no Exodus, no conquest of Canaan, no united monarchy under David and Solomon. Can the early biblical Israel described in the books of Moses, Judges, Joshua, and Samuel, ever have existed at all?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
              Life is a terminal disease.

              However, the ethical obscenity is that we are destroying millions of other species, upon many of which, our ultimate survival will we depend.

              Macrofauna may be whimsical and appealing but the massive collapse of invertebrate life has a far more worrying long term implication.
              Then lets live it up!!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by reformedguy View Post

                Then lets live it up!!
                It's the ethical aspect you should be considering. You do understand the concept of ethics, don't you?
                On the evidence:

                If there were no Patriarchs, no Exodus, no conquest of Canaan, no united monarchy under David and Solomon. Can the early biblical Israel described in the books of Moses, Judges, Joshua, and Samuel, ever have existed at all?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                  It's the ethical aspect you should be considering. You do understand the concept of ethics, don't you?
                  Why should I entertain your delusion? Are the rising sea levels, assuming its true, unprecedented? Abnormal?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by reformedguy View Post

                    Why should I entertain your delusion?
                    The massive fall in invertebrate life is not a delusion. https://www.globalagriculture.org/wh.../en/33575.html

                    Originally posted by reformedguy View Post
                    Are the rising sea levels, assuming its true, unprecedented? Abnormal?
                    In some respects not for the planet.

                    However, it will be for many human beings.

                    You seem to forget that we now have a human population of 7 billion and rising.

                    Where are millions of these people going to go when they can no longer survive in their own part of the world?



                    Last edited by Hypatia_Alexandria; 03-17-19, 12:20 PM.
                    On the evidence:

                    If there were no Patriarchs, no Exodus, no conquest of Canaan, no united monarchy under David and Solomon. Can the early biblical Israel described in the books of Moses, Judges, Joshua, and Samuel, ever have existed at all?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                      The massive fall in invetebrate life is not a delusion. https://www.globalagriculture.org/wh.../en/33575.html

                      In some respects not for the planet.

                      However, it will be for many human beings.

                      You seem to forget that we now have a human population of 7 billion and rising.

                      Where are millions of these people going to go when they can no longer survive in their own part of the world?



                      Not for the planet? So its not unprecedented then and your argument is silly. Sea levels have been higher and they have been lower. Just as the planet has been much colder and its been much warmer. So what is normal for the sea level? What is a normal climate? Was the ice age actually normal?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by reformedguy View Post

                        Not for the planet? So its not unprecedented then and your argument is silly. Sea levels have been higher and they have been lower. Just as the planet has been much colder and its been much warmer. So what is normal for the sea level? What is a normal climate? Was the ice age actually normal?
                        During the Ice Age human populations were tiny and life was short and brutal. We also have to consider anthropogenic influences on extinction rates. Flora and fauna have adapted to changes in the planet's climate. However, it takes time. The human impact on habitat and ecosystems is not permitting those adaptations to take place.

                        We also have to consider the impact on our own species for both food production and habitat. I therefore suggest you address my question.

                        Where are millions of people going to go when they can no longer survive in their own part of the world?
                        Last edited by Hypatia_Alexandria; 03-17-19, 12:20 PM.
                        On the evidence:

                        If there were no Patriarchs, no Exodus, no conquest of Canaan, no united monarchy under David and Solomon. Can the early biblical Israel described in the books of Moses, Judges, Joshua, and Samuel, ever have existed at all?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by reformedguy View Post

                          Not for the planet? So its not unprecedented then and your argument is silly. Sea levels have been higher and they have been lower. Just as the planet has been much colder and its been much warmer. So what is normal for the sea level? What is a normal climate? Was the ice age actually normal?
                          How did they measure sub surface water temps before thermometers were invented?

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                          • #14
                            Irratiional political talking points.


                            ...................rumored cases. Scary.


                            Passed the point.



                            Originally posted by simplicio View Post

                            As the oceans rise (even the small rise we have so far) the line of brackish groundwater is pushing inland, North Carolina has confirmed cases of soils damaged by salinity. Massachusetts and New Jersey have rumored cases of farmland becoming unusable to grow agricultural crops.

                            We have passed the point where we can deny it is happening.

                            The USDA heat zone maps are shifting, as are the (cumulative) growing degree days. The result is a subtle shift in agriculture
                            If you were a sober sailor, you would laugh at your crazy claim. On shore long term prevailing winds plus high tide has done that for centuries. I have seen were there were weeks of winter offshore winds in Corpus and many many days the water too low to use many of the boat ramps to launch boats.

                            Why don't you know that? Why don't your political sources share such facts?

                            3 decades ago we attended the Annapolis MD in water International Sailboat show. There had been several weeks of stiff onshore winds driving water up Chesapeake Bay. The in water boats floated and several nearby parking lots had a few inches of water. Since you are NOT science minded, I won't ask you why the parking lot waters went down.

                            You are stuck with rumors and fear mongering Goremon sources and Nouveau has sailed out of a lot of yacht clubs and marinas over the planet and experiences reality.



                            Here is a scary thought Since fear controls the warmista neurotic sensibilities, what if the oceans RISE and God turns the Sahara desert into The Poydras Swamp and the Muslims will run from alligators.

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                            • #15
                              You don't understand the sea. High tides sometimes are during periods of strong longer term onshore wind patterns. How have tides impacted Oilberta?

                              Originally posted by reepicheep View Post
                              I wonder how the "climate change deniers" explain the fact that sea levels have risen over the past century, to the point where coastal cities around the world are forced to spend billions of dollars protecting against flooding. And not just flooding caused by catastrophic events like hurricanes, but flooding caused by regular high tides.

                              "Cities around the US are flooding at high tide and on sunny days at record rates - here's what it's like"

                              https://www.businessinsider.com/sea-...-cities-2018-4
                              Another irrational rant.

                              When I was Yachtculb Harbormastor for 2 terms, we had the same problem on a fresh water lake. Our lake water shed is 800 sq miles. My budget was several hundred thousand dollars to rebuild "seawalls" shoreline rock, 3 jettys and 2 beach areas.

                              Hundreds of miles from the ocean and the snow capped mountains. We have flooding problems that have NOTHING to do with Arctic summer melt.

                              God sends wind and rain.

                              I suspect you can't understand why some islands are called The Leeward Islands and some are called the Windward Islands.

                              Before GPS was invented, I studied celestial navigation from a Boeing test pilot so I could get permission to captain and charter boats in the Caribbean.

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