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  • #46
    Originally posted by Nouveau View Post

    Pelosis has produce nothing

    Levin handles the issues.



    The second section was a pure op ed with no reference to law.
    This is interesting:



    Test all things; hold fast that which is good. --1 Thessalonians 5:21

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    • #47
      Originally posted by ferengi

      And you dishonestly claim collusion without evidence - your dishonestly is your responsibility.

      Oh and prove collusion is a crime
      Brian Williams (liar) tried that trick and Jay Sekelow nailed he answer. On the second page.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Nouveau View Post
        Brian Williams (liar) tried that trick and Jay Sekelow nailed he answer. On the second page.
        Easy to defeat a lib- juist think one thought and present one morsel of truth and they are destroyed.
        "darwin/nature is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance"óme

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Thistle View Post

          What are you talking about? Trump got his way. He released the whole report in spite of the fact that under the statute there was no reason to do so. Never has there been this level of transparency in the history of Washington investigations. I take that back. There was under Ronald Reagan with Lawrence Walsh's investigation of the Iran Contra Affair.
          Trump didn't get his way. He tried to get Comey to drop the investigation of Flynn. He tried to get Sessions to unrecuse and limit the investigation to preventing future Russian interference. He tried to fire Mueller. The only reason there was a Report to release is because his subordinates refused to comply with Trump's demands. In Watergate the Court ordered the release of the grand jury information, and a court ordered the release of the Nixon tapes, so that was more transparent.



          I didn't frame this issue! The deep state coup did that. Your fellow travelers. Take your complaints to them.



          Why do I have to keep on quoting Mueller's exact words to you? "person who coordinated or communicated with . . . engaged in the criminal conspiracy." Mueller did back-flips to come as close to "collude" as he could possibly manage.
          Mueller said in the Report he was not deciding "collusion" which isn't a defined federal offense in this context, but criminal conspiracy. He found 140 contacts between the Trump Campaign and Russia, and even if it isn't a crime, the Trump Campaign eagerly colluded with Russian Intelligence in the release of stolen emails by the Russians to aid the Trump Campaign. I understand that you think working with Russian Intelligence to release stolen information is OK if it helps your candidate win, but I doubt most Americans do.



          Have you made up your mind about whether "collusion" is okay yet?
          Colluding with Russian Intelligence to get their assistance in a presidential election is definitely not OK, even if it isn't illegal.



          So you agree those redactions are proper?
          Yes, they were done to protect ongoing criminal investigations.



          Your side framed the issue as "collusion" not mind. Therefore Mueller has been stuck saying things like "person who coordinated or communicated with . . . engaged in the criminal conspiracy." You and your fellow travelers have to really check this whole projection thing at the door. If you guys hadn't lit your hair on fire screaming "COLLUSION" we'd not be having this conversation.
          It remains a fact that while the Trump Campaign did not engage in a criminal conspiracy to steal emails, the Report shows it did collude with Russian Intelligence and Wikileaks to release the stolen emails to benefit the Trump Campaign.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Aagcobb View Post
            Trump didn't get his way. He tried to get Comey to drop the investigation of Flynn. He tried to get Sessions to unrecuse and limit the investigation to preventing future Russian interference. He tried to fire Mueller. The only reason there was a Report to release is because his subordinates refused to comply with Trump's demands. In Watergate the Court ordered the release of the grand jury information, and a court ordered the release of the Nixon tapes, so that was more transparent.
            Nixon weaponized the FBI and the IRS so there were actual underlying crimes. Let me see now, who has done that recently? That would be president Obama's Administration, not president Trump. So yes, if you try to stop the uncovering of actual crimes, that can be obstruction. Obstruction, must have the element of corrupt intent. Not being attacked [Nixon style] as Trump has been for the past two years, is not corrupt intent, nor can it be construed in such a way as to be shoehorned into satisfying that requirement.

            Mueller said in the Report he was not deciding "collusion" which isn't a defined federal offense in this context, but criminal conspiracy.
            Cry me a river. The critics of president Trump used the term collusion while it served their purposes to lower the bar of culpability. You will get no sympathy from me, nor should you expect any. But by all means, continue to prosecute your case against your fellow travelers. They surely have it coming.

            He found 140 contacts between the Trump Campaign and Russia,
            Were you borne yesterday? What do you think goes on in the transfer of power from one Administration to the next?

            and even if it isn't a crime,
            From whence comth the subjunctive here? You know perfectly well it's not a crime. So could we keep this conversation real please?

            the Trump Campaign eagerly colluded with Russian Intelligence in the release of stolen emails by the Russians to aid the Trump Campaign. I understand that you think working with Russian Intelligence to release stolen information is OK if it helps your candidate win, but I doubt most Americans do.
            Read the report Einstein:

            "The investigation did not. find: evidence that the. Trump Campaign. 'recovered any such Clinton ernails., or that these contacts were part of a coordinated effort between Russia and the Trump Campaign."
            -- page 61


            Colluding with Russian Intelligence to get their assistance in a presidential election is definitely not OK, even if it isn't illegal.
            You better hope it's not, because that is exactly what the DNC and the Hillary Clinton campaign did via Fusion GPS, and Christopher Steele to the tune of, what was it, nine million dollars? Talk about proof of criminal intent!

            Yes, they were done to protect ongoing criminal investigations.
            So I can count on you to weigh in on this point when Nadler and Schiff [representative from Area 51] demand that the DOJ fork it all over? They have done that you know.

            It remains a fact that while the Trump Campaign did not engage in a criminal conspiracy to steal emails, the Report shows it did collude with Russian Intelligence and Wikileaks to release the stolen emails to benefit the Trump Campaign.
            To say the distinction between what the Mueller Report alleges, and what may or may not be reasonably "shown," is an open question . . .well, that may be the understatement of the millennium.


            Test all things; hold fast that which is good. --1 Thessalonians 5:21

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            • #51
              Originally posted by America View Post
              ... of coordination with the IRA, yes.

              That's not the same as there being no evidence of collusion with Russia in general. There was obviously plenty of evidence.
              Are you Adam Schiff under a pseudonym?
              “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” - Socrates

              "The concept of a "Personal God," interfering with natural events,...." No criticism of this distorted idea of God can be sharp enough". - Tillich

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Deist View Post

                Are you Adam Schiff under a pseudonym?
                Representative from Area 51? That would explain a lot.
                Last edited by Thistle; 04-22-19, 02:56 PM.


                Test all things; hold fast that which is good. --1 Thessalonians 5:21

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Aagcobb View Post
                  He tried to get Comey to drop the investigation of Flynn. He tried to get Sessions to unrecuse and limit the investigation to preventing future Russian interference. He tried to fire Mueller.
                  It remains a fact that while the Trump Campaign did not engage in a criminal conspiracy to steal emails, the Report shows it did collude with Russian Intelligence and Wikileaks to release the stolen emails to benefit the Trump Campaign.
                  Your evidence is?
                  "darwin/nature is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance"óme

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