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  • #31
    Originally posted by john james View Post
    Murdering babies is wrong and I hope these laws past in these states. Hopefully it is one step closer to getting rid of abortion.

    No one wants a law justfying murdering people some dont like. That's like saying your not human because I dont like you so it's okay for you to be murdered.
    So, you're a forced birth extremist then?

    If you want to reduce abortion, making it illegal isn't going to do anything, it'll just drive it underground and put women seeking an abortion at greater medical risk. If you want to reduce abortion then the best way is through proper sex education. But I find most forced birth extremists are against proper sex education too. Are you?

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    • #32
      Originally posted by TeabagSalad View Post

      So, you're a forced birth extremist then?

      If you want to reduce abortion, making it illegal isn't going to do anything, it'll just drive it underground and put women seeking an abortion at greater medical risk. If you want to reduce abortion then the best way is through proper sex education. But I find most forced birth extremists are against proper sex education too. Are you?
      You are a murder accepting extremist.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by TeabagSalad View Post

        So, you're a forced birth extremist then?

        If you want to reduce abortion, making it illegal isn't going to do anything, it'll just drive it underground and put women seeking an abortion at greater medical risk. If you want to reduce abortion then the best way is through proper sex education. But I find most forced birth extremists are against proper sex education too. Are you?
        Of course making abortion illegal will do a lot to reduce abortion. It won't end it, of course. But making things illegal generally - not always, but generally - deters people from doing those things. It's why the left wants to put restrictions on gun ownership. And why the left wants to make discriminatory hiring practices illegal. The idea is that these laws will reduce these things from happening. Why that wouldn't apply to abortion, I have no idea. When we look at the statistics in the United States, you'll see that abortion *skyrocketed* after the Roe decision. Why? Because once it became legal, doctors began performing them more, and women knew that they were allowed to have them. It makes sense, then, that making it illegal would have just the opposite effect.

        You're right that it wouldn't end all abortion, and nobody has ever claimed otherwise. No law ever created has completely ended the thing the law was meant to stop. But, unless you simply believe that laws make no difference whatsoever - which I doubt you do - you'd have to agree that making abortion illegal would reduce abortion at least SOME.
        "It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man." - Alex Vilenkin

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        • #34
          Originally posted by America View Post

          Who should be forced to care for the baby produced by rape? The mom who never wanted to get pregnant?

          edit: I'm actually a bit libertarian on this issue. If Alabama wants restrictive abortion laws like this, it should be allowed to have them (within the confines of the law). However, I wont be praying for such things to continue...
          The question is whether this is truly representative of the voters of Alabama, or if it is representative of a gerrymandered, voter-suppression push to ensure a RW majority in the legislature.

          Seems to me that libertarians prefer individual choices on such matters, not state mandated requirements enacted by a gerrymandered legislature.
          Reality rules, Honor the truth - in memory of Chem1st.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by ignatius View Post

            It's called adoption friend
            Adoption is a solution for an unwanted baby, but does not address an unwanted pregnancy.
            Reality rules, Honor the truth - in memory of Chem1st.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by john james View Post
              Murdering babies is wrong and I hope these laws past in these states. Hopefully it is one step closer to getting rid of abortion.

              No one wants a law justfying murdering people some dont like. That's like saying your not human because I dont like you so it's okay for you to be murdered.
              OK, so let's say that RvW is overturned. And women who can't afford and don't want babies, are forced to have babies.

              All this would result in raising our already high maternal and infant mortality rates, produce an increased demand for social services for families not able to support those unwanted babies, and produce a cohort of poorly parented children not likely to become responsible citizens, resulting in increased crime, etc.

              Who is going to pay for all this?
              Reality rules, Honor the truth - in memory of Chem1st.

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              • #37
                Alabama is being obedient to God. May Alabama be blessed. Fear God, not men. Seek the blessings of God not the approval of men in wrongdoing.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by vibise View Post

                  OK, so let's say that RvW is overturned. And women who can't afford and don't want babies, are forced to have babies.

                  All this would result in raising our already high maternal and infant mortality rates, produce an increased demand for social services for families not able to support those unwanted babies, and produce a cohort of poorly parented children not likely to become responsible citizens, resulting in increased crime, etc.

                  Who is going to pay for all this?
                  Exterminating all the kids in orphanages would reduce costs, and likely reduce future crime rates as well.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Crazy Ivan View Post

                    Of course making abortion illegal will do a lot to reduce abortion. It won't end it, of course. But making things illegal generally - not always, but generally - deters people from doing those things. It's why the left wants to put restrictions on gun ownership. And why the left wants to make discriminatory hiring practices illegal. The idea is that these laws will reduce these things from happening. Why that wouldn't apply to abortion, I have no idea. When we look at the statistics in the United States, you'll see that abortion *skyrocketed* after the Roe decision. Why? Because once it became legal, doctors began performing them more, and women knew that they were allowed to have them. It makes sense, then, that making it illegal would have just the opposite effect.

                    You're right that it wouldn't end all abortion, and nobody has ever claimed otherwise. No law ever created has completely ended the thing the law was meant to stop. But, unless you simply believe that laws make no difference whatsoever - which I doubt you do - you'd have to agree that making abortion illegal would reduce abortion at least SOME.
                    Discriminatory practices are bad for society and individuals. Expanding ownership of ever more powerful deadly weapons is a bad thing for society.

                    Abortion is used by women to terminate unwanted pregnancies or pregnancies gone wrong. You see this as a bad thing but I don't, and neither do the millions of women who have abortions and whose main reaction afterwards is relief.

                    I also don't get why you don't get that your policies contribute to poverty, esp for single mothers, and to the production of a population of unwanted kids who don't generally grow up to be CEOs. There will be serious social costs when poor, unwanted babies grow up. Are you prepared to pay for the social services and deal with increased crime?

                    Do you think that banning abortion in already poor states will boost their economies?
                    Reality rules, Honor the truth - in memory of Chem1st.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Simpletruther View Post

                      Exterminating all the kids in orphanages would reduce costs, and likely reduce future crime rates as well.
                      Why do RWers talk about killing actual children? No one on the LW is talking about anything like that. No one.
                      Reality rules, Honor the truth - in memory of Chem1st.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by lightbeamrider View Post
                        Alabama is being obedient to God. May Alabama be blessed. Fear God, not men. Seek the blessings of God not the approval of men in wrongdoing.
                        Well, Alabama clearly needs help given it is at or near the bottom of states when it comes to educational achievement, teen pregnancy, economic indicators, ability to attract business and entrepreneurs, etc.

                        Never been to Alabama. No reason to go there.

                        Going to NY next week, and California two weeks after that.
                        Reality rules, Honor the truth - in memory of Chem1st.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by vibise View Post

                          Why do RWers talk about killing actual children? No one on the LW is talking about anything like that. No one.
                          She says, not realizing the utter irony of her statement when she regularly talks about killing actual children in the womb and being perfectly fine with it........
                          A forum liberal
                          "When you claimed black people were raped, wasn't that racist? I'd say so."

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by vibise View Post
                            Seems to me that libertarians prefer individual choices on such matters
                            Pretty much, though a state is an individual WRT the federal government, too. I'm trying to make sure you're not suggesting Libertarians always favor the individual; they don't necessarily.

                            Originally posted by vibise View Post
                            not state mandated requirements enacted by a gerrymandered legislature.
                            I don't know whether Alabama's new law is the product of legislative gerrymandering or not. Maybe it's what a majority of voters in that state actually want, and maybe it's not.
                            The people whining about Democrats wanting government solutions are the same ones who want the government to define marriage, criminalize abortion, slow/stop legal immigration, save farmers, create jobs, etc.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by GondwanaLand View Post

                              She says, not realizing the utter irony of her statement when she regularly talks about killing actual children in the womb and being perfectly fine with it........
                              Surely you've got a quote of her saying "I'm perfectly fine with killing actual children in the womb"?

                              Or didja just make it up like you usually do?
                              The people whining about Democrats wanting government solutions are the same ones who want the government to define marriage, criminalize abortion, slow/stop legal immigration, save farmers, create jobs, etc.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by America View Post
                                Surely you've got a quote of her saying "I'm perfectly fine with killing actual children in the womb"?

                                Or didja just make it up like you usually do?
                                Every time she speaks about abortion. DUH. This isn't hard for even a halfwit to grasp, buddy. Your hero vibise indeed seems quite interested in killing down's syndrome babies in the womb - seems to get her off or something, the way she speaks about it.
                                A forum liberal
                                "When you claimed black people were raped, wasn't that racist? I'd say so."

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