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  • Originally posted by Redmond View Post
    A ZEF cannot be murdered. It is a potential person not an actual one.
    Off topic irrational rant/claim.

    Trump is not a pro-deather.

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    • I would be more concerned if I cared about your opinion, Commodore!
      "Qostiid sahlo aak. Just because you can do a thing, does not always mean you should." Paarthurnax

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      • Originally posted by Redmond View Post
        A ZEF cannot be murdered. It is a potential person not an actual one.
        The foghorn has gone off again. Does no one know how to switch it off.
        instead of repeating the mantra address the refutation.
        If you are a human being and a person and you went through a z, e and f stage of your development and life, how can you have been potentially you, when it was you all along?
        Sure you as a zygote had the potential to be you as an embryo if one takes into account abortion or miscarriage, but still you. All you have is use different words for the stages of your life, it would still be the same entity, you, that would have been killed in pro-choice abortion.
        furthermore, since pro-choice is about the so called woman's right to the use of her body, what difference does it make whether that is murdering the offspring or not?

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        • Originally posted by Redmond View Post
          I would be more concerned if I cared about your opinion, Commodore!
          So what are you doing on a debating forum?

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          • Originally posted by Redmond View Post
            I would be more concerned if I cared about your opinion, Commodore!
            That's a bunch of Australian hooey!

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            • Originally posted by Truth7t7 View Post
              That's a bunch of Australian hooey!
              Ah, wrong country! Kiwi actually.
              "Qostiid sahlo aak. Just because you can do a thing, does not always mean you should." Paarthurnax

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              • Originally posted by brightmorningstar View Post

                The foghorn has gone off again. Does no one know how to switch it off.
                instead of repeating the mantra address the refutation.
                If you are a human being and a person and you went through a z, e and f stage of your development and life, how can you have been potentially you, when it was you all along?
                Sure you as a zygote had the potential to be you as an embryo if one takes into account abortion or miscarriage, but still you. All you have is use different words for the stages of your life, it would still be the same entity, you, that would have been killed in pro-choice abortion.
                furthermore, since pro-choice is about the so called woman's right to the use of her body, what difference does it make whether that is murdering the offspring or not?
                While I was a ZEF I was a potential human. I became an actual one at birth. It is that simple.
                "Qostiid sahlo aak. Just because you can do a thing, does not always mean you should." Paarthurnax

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                • Originally posted by Redmond View Post

                  While I was a ZEF I was a potential human. I became an actual one at birth. It is that simple.
                  WRONG 100%
                  That is scientifically and logically incorrect. You were human then. Not only were you a human zygote, a human embryo and a human foetus, but you had your unique human DNA. You didnt have any potential to become what you already were. You only had the potential to become you at a more mature state of your life.

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                  • Originally posted by brightmorningstar View Post
                    WRONG 100%
                    That is scientifically and logically incorrect. You were human then. Not only were you a human zygote, a human embryo and a human foetus, but you had your unique human DNA. You didnt have any potential to become what you already were. You only had the potential to become you at a more mature state of your life.
                    Nope, fully 50% of fertilised eggs either fail to implant or are miscarried long before a woman knows she is pregnant. A further 20% of embryos spontaneously abort and then about 5 percent of all fetuses are aborted spontaneously before viability at 22 weeks or are stillborn, defined as born dead after 22 weeks.

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                    Having DNA does not make you human, a tumour has DNA but you'd hardly call it a human. I was a potential human until birth and took my first breath.
                    "Qostiid sahlo aak. Just because you can do a thing, does not always mean you should." Paarthurnax

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                    • Originally posted by brightmorningstar View Post
                      WRONG 100%
                      That is scientifically and logically incorrect. You were human then. Not only were you a human zygote, a human embryo and a human foetus, but you had your unique human DNA. You didnt have any potential to become what you already were. You only had the potential to become you at a more mature state of your life.
                      They have no education, training and experience so they can only Google. For some reason the left struggles with biology American farm kids have figggered out before they start school.

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                      • Originally posted by brightmorningstar View Post

                        So what are you doing on a debating forum?
                        Pushing a secular agenda.

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                        • Originally posted by Redmond View Post
                          I would be more concerned if I cared about your opinion, Commodore!
                          Your opinions come from Google. Not education, training and experience. I rely on Docs and not medical outsiders/groupies.

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                          • Originally posted by Redmond View Post
                            A ZEF cannot be murdered. It is a potential person not an actual one.
                            Makin' up a narrative. EDIT PER MOD on CARM With an Ivy league ego. I offered to send her 2 biopsies and have her wizards examine them and tell which was fetus and which was human baby. EDIT PER MOD no response.

                            You need more zeal and stiffer mantras to offset your lack of science. Troo disciples of Sanger and eugenics.

                            But abortion obsessions flare up on a Trump OP

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                            • Originally posted by Nouveau View Post

                              Your opinions come from Google. Not education, training and experience. I rely on Docs and not medical outsiders/groupies.
                              Which Docs did you learn this gem from?

                              Originally posted by Nouveau View Post
                              Surgeons can cure cancer.
                              Are you still claiming to be a scientist and a surgeon and an accountant and a farmer and a psychologist and an OB/GYN? Did I miss any? You add them so often it's hard to keep track.

                              "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin

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                              • Originally posted by Redmond View Post

                                Nope, fully 50% of fertilised eggs either fail to implant or are miscarried long before a woman knows she is pregnant. A further 20% of embryos spontaneously abort and then about 5 percent of all fetuses are aborted spontaneously before viability at 22 weeks or are stillborn, defined as born dead after 22 weeks.

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                                not the point I put to you

                                Having DNA does not make you human, a tumour has DNA but you'd hardly call it a human. I was a potential human until birth and took my first breath.
                                so you said you werent human when you were in your mother's womb. Nuff said. Wrong 100%.
                                You were but you dont seem to be able to grasp the reality. You might like to tell us what you think you were inside your mother's womb if not human?. A giraffe perhaps, a giraffe with human DNA?

                                Having DNA of a human DOES make you a human.

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