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  • Yes Virginia, Huawei 5G is a Bid Deal - - and not in a good way

    The problem with letting Huawei roll out their 5G network and place their equipment in any country in the world, is that it will be at the heart of the heart of the heart of communications and infrastructure. 5G will control diver-less cars, power grids, and "secure communications."

    So what if the UK for example let Huawei in to Great Britain? If a problem breaks out in the South China Sea, how will the United States be assured of secure communications with the Five Eyes Countries? If UK has Huawoi then UK immediately becomes a cut out in all secure communications. Would that be valuable to China? You bet it would. What about Germany? If any of the NATO countries accept the Huawei infrastructure now NATO can't have secure communications.

    Is China stronger if NATO is weaker? You betcha! This is a very big deal. The free world has to move their supply chain out of China. Japan, South Korea, India, Brazil, to name a few, can handle that supply chain just fine without China, thank you very much.


    Test all things; hold fast that which is good. --1 Thessalonians 5:21

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    Originally posted by Thistle View Post
    The problem with letting Huawei roll out their 5G network and place their equipment in any country in the world, is that it will be at the heart of the heart of the heart of communications and infrastructure. 5G will control diver-less cars, power grids, and "secure communications."

    So what if the UK for example let Huawei in to Great Britain? If a problem breaks out in the South China Sea, how will the United States be assured of secure communications with the Five Eyes Countries? If UK has Huawoi then UK immediately becomes a cut out in all secure communications. Would that be valuable to China? You bet it would. What about Germany? If any of the NATO countries accept the Huawei infrastructure now NATO can't have secure communications.

    Is China stronger if NATO is weaker? You betcha! This is a very big deal. The free world has to move their supply chain out of China. Japan, South Korea, India, Brazil, to name a few, can handle that supply chain just fine without China, thank you very much.
    This push to adopt technology quickly in order to maintain an upper-hand in the trade wars is, in part, a distraction from the very real, documented perils of what this new infrastructure entails. We need to harmonize with our environment, and 5G represents many levels of deharmonization. When parts of our body isolate themselves to benefit individual cells over the whole, we call it cancer. We are becoming cancer in the body of the environment we are inherently a part of.
    The "fear and pain", but this isn’t how I AM
    Don’t you forget that you are love
    Don’t you forget that you are them

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Bluemayskye View Post

      This push to adopt technology quickly in order to maintain an upper-hand in the trade wars is, in part, a distraction from the very real, documented perils of what this new infrastructure entails. We need to harmonize with our environment, and 5G represents many levels of deharmonization. When parts of our body isolate themselves to benefit individual cells over the whole, we call it cancer. We are becoming cancer in the body of the environment we are inherently a part of.
      I'm not sure I fully understand your point in it's entirety, but there are health concerns with 5G roll out, cancer being one of them, and it's far from a nominal concern. I am frankly quite concerned about that likelihood if not near certainty, as it not only effects those who adopt the technology personally, but everyone who walks around in the environment. Those 5G streams of data are almost certainly carcinogenic. You don't need to have a 5G device to be exposed.

      My immediate fear is that the CCP tortures people every day, and we don't want them listening into our military secure communications.



      Test all things; hold fast that which is good. --1 Thessalonians 5:21

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Thistle View Post

        I'm not sure I fully understand your point in it's entirety, but there are health concerns with 5G roll out, cancer being one of them, and it's far from a nominal concern. I am frankly quite concerned about that likelihood if not near certainty, as it not only effects those who adopt the technology personally, but everyone who walks around in the environment. Those 5G streams of data are almost certainly carcinogenic. You don't need to have a 5G device to be exposed.



        That is awful! While this is arguably worse than what is going on in our own penal system, lets resist allowing this atrocity to eclipse what is going on here in the US. The goal is freedom for all, not just to point the finger at others.

        My immediate fear is that the CCP tortures people every day, and we don't want them listening into our military secure communications.
        The american government tortures people every day. Seeing orange suits reminds me of the loophole in the 13 amendment. All our government had to do was convince us to demonizes specific people for doing exactly what we already knew they were doing to get us to approve of slavery again.

        “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying. We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

        This is not some kind of good vs. evil story. Our world is full of people trying to do what is best in their own eyes. Some converge on similar ideals, but very few believe they are acting evil. This is a plank-in-the-eye scenario involving every human on the planet. I believe our biggest threat was to build such large powerful societies that have lost any for of real democracy in the process.



        The "fear and pain", but this isn’t how I AM
        Don’t you forget that you are love
        Don’t you forget that you are them

        Devin Townsend - Spirits Will Collide

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        • #5
          Hokum and bunkum.



          Originally posted by Bluemayskye View Post

          This push to adopt technology quickly in order to maintain an upper-hand in the trade wars is, in part, a distraction from the very real, documented perils of what this new infrastructure entails. We need to harmonize with our environment, and 5G represents many levels of deharmonization. When parts of our body isolate themselves to benefit individual cells over the whole, we call it cancer. We are becoming cancer in the body of the environment we are inherently a part of.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bluemayskye View Post

            That is awful! While this is arguably worse than what is going on in our own penal system, lets resist allowing this atrocity to eclipse what is going on here in the US. The goal is freedom for all, not just to point the finger at others.
            President Trump just signed legislation on that very issue. It was and is a very high priority for him.

            The american government tortures people every day.
            No, they don't. They never have and never will.

            Seeing orange suits reminds me of the loophole in the 13 amendment. All our government had to do was convince us to demonizes specific people for doing exactly what we already knew they were doing to get us to approve of slavery again.
            That is what President Trumps legislation just dealt with. But having American prisoners work in a furniture factory is in no way comparable to what is happening in Socialist countries like China. You need to go to time marker 1:20:00.



            “The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying. We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”
            Richard Nixon and John Ehrlichman are both dead making it rather spotty as to determining the reliability of that characterization. You have to remember the Weather Underground, William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn blowing up police stations in those days.

            This is not some kind of good vs. evil story.
            That is exactly what it is. China is evil with a capital E and the United States, as countries go, is as good as countries get. We live in a different world because of the United States. And it is a far better world than has ever existed in the history of mankind.

            Our world is full of people trying to do what is best in their own eyes.
            China is not trying to do their best! They are torturing people to death on purpose because the CCP believes them to be a threat.

            Some converge on similar ideals, but very few believe they are acting evil.
            Let me get this straight. You electrocute people until they loose consciousness, and you don't understand that to be evil? No, that is not true. You can't electrocute people into unconsciousness and not know it's evil.

            This is a plank-in-the-eye scenario involving every human on the planet. I believe our biggest threat was to build such large powerful societies that have lost any for of real democracy in the process.
            No. Not even close. China has killed or shortened the lives through slave labor of 80 million of their own people. There is nothing comparable here, absolutely nothing.
            Last edited by Thistle; 07-12-19, 04:59 PM.


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            • #7
              Originally posted by Nouveau View Post
              Hokum and bunkum.
              If I did not believe in freedom of speech I would flag this flagrantly inflammatory post. If you aim to appear remotely as smart as you desperately attempt to tell us you are, please demonstrate as much in your posts.
              The "fear and pain", but this isn’t how I AM
              Don’t you forget that you are love
              Don’t you forget that you are them

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Nouveau View Post
                Hokum and bunkum.




                I know there is a real issue here for two reasons. 1) A young man who worked for me died of brain cancer and left a wife and baby before he reached the age of 30, owing to the fact that he was on his cell phone constantly. 2) I correspond with some of the top physicists in the world more or less on a daily basis. They are all convinced that 5G will be very dangerous health wise. Here is a link you might glance at [link].


                Test all things; hold fast that which is good. --1 Thessalonians 5:21

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Thistle View Post

                  I know there is a real issue here for two reasons. 1) A young man who worked for me died of brain cancer and left a wife and baby before he reached the age of 30, owing to the fact that he was on his cell phone constantly. 2) I correspond with some of the top physicists in the world more or less on a daily basis. They are all convinced that 5G will be very dangerous health wise. Here is a link you might glance at [link].
                  Maillard reaction in his brain?

                  Sure accept new technology and catch problems later. I recall they introduced a microwave blood warmer. Instead of a plastic coil going thru warm water, just zap a unit of blood so giving a transfusion didn't chill a patient with blood loss. They sold these and later discovered how red blood cells had been popped like popcorn.

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                  • #10
                    Hokum and bunkum
                    Originally posted by Bluemayskye View Post

                    That is awful! While this is arguably worse than what is going on in our own penal system, lets resist allowing this atrocity to eclipse what is going on here in the US. The goal is freedom for all, not just to point the finger at others.



                    The american government tortures people every day. Seeing orange suits reminds me of ...............................
                    You do the crime you serve time. Orange suits are free uniforms. Our society enjoys more freedom when we have perps who endanger society in jail for crimes against society.

                    You forget to display actual torture cases to support your accusation?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Nouveau View Post

                      Maillard reaction in his brain?

                      Sure accept new technology and catch problems later. I recall they introduced a microwave blood warmer. Instead of a plastic coil going thru warm water, just zap a unit of blood so giving a transfusion didn't chill a patient with blood loss. They sold these and later discovered how red blood cells had been popped like popcorn.
                      That sounds awful.


                      Test all things; hold fast that which is good. --1 Thessalonians 5:21

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Nouveau View Post
                        Hokum and bunkum

                        You do the crime you serve time. Orange suits are free uniforms. Our society enjoys more freedom when we have perps who endanger society in jail for crimes against society.

                        You forget to display actual torture cases to support your accusation?
                        Do you imagine the people funding and profiting on tech such as 5G should do the time? They are certainly killing more people than the guy doing time because he was caught with too much weed.

                        Imagine if the blood tech you mentioned in post #9 was allowed to continue even after they found it was killing people. That is what is happening with this 5G rollout.

                        The fundamental problem I am trying to communicate is the same subject you agree on with Thistle. Those that knowingly push deadly technology for their own profit end up shifting blame on the consumers. Kinda like how companies who adopted plastic in their shipping and packaging funded the campaign to blame consumers for plastic waste.
                        The "fear and pain", but this isn’t how I AM
                        Don’t you forget that you are love
                        Don’t you forget that you are them

                        Devin Townsend - Spirits Will Collide

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Bluemayskye View Post

                          Do you imagine the people funding and profiting on tech such as 5G should do the time? They are certainly killing more people than the guy doing time because he was caught with too much weed.

                          Imagine if the blood tech you mentioned in post #9 was allowed to continue even after they found it was killing people. That is what is happening with this 5G rollout.

                          The fundamental problem I am trying to communicate is the same subject you agree on with Thistle. Those that knowingly push deadly technology for their own profit end up shifting blame on the consumers. Kinda like how companies who adopted plastic in their shipping and packaging funded the campaign to blame consumers for plastic waste.
                          And as concerning as the health issue is there is a significant national security issue too. Huawei is trying to roll out their 5G technology world wide. There is no way to insure secure communications in any country in which that technology is rolled out. So the primary counter balance to Red China in the Pacific are the Five Eye countries. If anyone of them accepts the Huawei 5G infrastructure we can no longer securely communicate with them for the defense of that region. The same thing holds for NATO. Red China would like nothing better than to hamstring the Five Eye countries and NATO. If the world is not extremely careful they will accomplish exactly that.


                          Test all things; hold fast that which is good. --1 Thessalonians 5:21

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Thistle View Post

                            And as concerning as the health issue is there is a significant national security issue too. Huawei is trying to roll out their 5G technology world wide. There is no way to insure secure communications in any country in which that technology is rolled out. So the primary counter balance to Red China in the Pacific are the Five Eye countries. If anyone of them accepts the Huawei 5G infrastructure we can no longer securely communicate with them for the defense of that region. The same thing holds for NATO. Red China would like nothing better than to hamstring the Five Eye countries and NATO. If the world is not extremely careful they will accomplish exactly that.
                            This global balance of power has nothing to do with right or wrong. We are all right in our own eyes because our personal cause matters more than everyone else's. This is why Christ cam to tell us we are all one. We killed him for it, and this aspect of Christian doctrine that WE ALL crucified Jesus for claiming all are one embodies the most significant deception of our time.

                            I stumbled on a powerful artistic representation of the plight of our modern societies. Worth 13 minutes of your time.
                            The "fear and pain", but this isn’t how I AM
                            Don’t you forget that you are love
                            Don’t you forget that you are them

                            Devin Townsend - Spirits Will Collide

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bluemayskye View Post

                              This global balance of power has nothing to do with right or wrong.
                              That is quite an extravagant position. Some people love their neighbors, and some people love to eat their neighbors. There is nothing equivalent about the two. From The Tiananmen Square Massacre to this very day CCP's record on human rights has not been appreciably distinguishable from Nazi Germany's. The theory was if we make them rich we will make them enlightened. It failed spectacularly. If you observe any kind of religion they will abduct you, imprison you, and when someone wants your organs they will harvest your organs and you will die. They have a great new technology. It can't and won't save a single life. But it will keep your organs in good working order so they can harvest them all. That makes every person in their concentration camps worth about $800,000 US. And recently they have become even more intrusive and more totalitarian. So to suggest that a comparison can be drawn between the American Voters and the CCP, I just don't see how that idea can be defended.

                              We are all right in our own eyes because our personal cause matters more than everyone else's.
                              For all I know the people who let the Jews go to the concentration camps without comment thought their distaste for that was just personal. China is doing the same thing today and I'm speaking up. You can pretend we are no better. You are on your own. I won't join in.

                              This is why Christ cam to tell us we are all one. We killed him for it, and this aspect of Christian doctrine that WE ALL crucified Jesus for claiming all are one embodies the most significant deception of our time.
                              Christ justifiably condemned his generation.
                              ""Then it goes and takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first. That is the way it will also be with this evil generation."" - Matthew 12:45 NASB
                              I stumbled on a powerful artistic representation of the plight of our modern societies. Worth 13 minutes of your time.
                              Okay, I watched it. This is a little bit higher bar, but if you want to be informed about the real state of the world, watch it. Pay special attention to time marker 22:00 and following, also 39:44.

                              Last edited by Thistle; 07-26-19, 03:01 PM.


                              Test all things; hold fast that which is good. --1 Thessalonians 5:21

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