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  • Christians where do you disagree on these?

    Illegal immigration- bad
    heathcare for illegal immigrants- bad (care for when their sick at that particular time- - good)

    Abortion - bad
    infanticide- bad
    Same sex marriage - bad
    Same sex attraction - bad
    climate change without actual scientific consensus - bad
    False discrimination- bad
    Counterfeit love - bad
    Conflating human/civil rights with bad desires - bad
    Believing women accusations on rape without due process- bad
    Everything white is oppressive - bad
    Actual discrimination - bad
    Masculinity is oppressive - bad
    Third wave Feminism - bad
    intersectionality- bad
    Critical Theory - bad
    Equality, Diversity, Inclusion disguised to accept, love, support and affirm bad ideologies - bad
    Hate and labels weaponized to silence disagreement - bad
    identity Politics - bad
    Conterfiet Social Justice - bad
    Political correctness - bad
    Subjectiveness on right, wrong, good, bad but claim others are wrong because they disagree, only - bad
    Seeing same sex attraction as innate - bad
    Using racism to fight racism - bad
    Special treatment because of protected category or minority group- bad
    Talking points to achieve bad agenda - bad
    Evidence created with lies, corruption and infiltrattion - bad
    Weaponizing of labels to silence or achieve agenda - bad
    Indoctrination of children - bad
    Drag anyone - bad
    Drag story time - bad
    Intimidation and punishment for disagreeing or not accepting through suing, arrest and jobless- bad


    Equal intrinsic value of each person born or unborn and treated in that manner regardless of attributes such as race and biological sex but with respect to these attributes and not absolutely ignoring these attributes - Good


    Many other things too but this what I could think of quickly



    Last edited by john james; 07-13-19, 09:39 AM.

  • #2
    Let me make sure I understand this op correctly.

    Are you actually wanting Christians to respond to every point in a 35-item poll?

    If so, to what end?
    All verses cited or quoted or in the NAS unless otherwise noted.

    “if anyone competes as an athlete, he does not win the prize unless he competes according to the rules.” (2 Tim. 2:5)

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Josheb View Post
      Let me make sure I understand this op correctly.

      Are you actually wanting Christians to respond to every point in a 35-item poll?

      If so, to what end?
      Just asking for some responses in the ones that some disagree on.

      3-5 more or less

      I forgot to add:

      Propaganda - bad

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      • #4
        Originally posted by john james View Post
        Illegal immigration- bad
        Immigration is a net benefit. After all, virtually all American citizens were immigrants or descended from immigrants.
        heathcare for illegal immigrants- bad (care for when their sick at that particular time- - good)
        So healthcare for immigrants is OK when they are sick, but well visits to uncover problems early is bad?

        Abortion - bad
        Always? Actually, abortion should be up to the woman and should be easily accessible early to avoid mid-late term abortions.
        infanticide- bad
        nobody thinks this is good
        Same sex marriage - bad
        Same sex attraction - bad
        There is nothing bad about natural attractions and marriages between people who love one another.
        climate change without actual scientific consensus - bad
        Except there is clear scientific consensus that climate change is occurring and that human activity is a significant confributor. Check the websites of actual scientific organizations, like NAS or AGU
        False discrimination- bad
        Counterfeit love - bad
        Conflating human/civil rights with bad desires - bad
        ???
        Believing women accusations on rape without due process- bad
        All accusations should be taken seriously.
        Everything white is oppressive - bad
        nobody says that
        Actual discrimination - bad
        actual discrimination is bad
        Masculinity is oppressive - bad
        There is such a thing as toxic masculinity. Ask any woman who walks past a construction site.
        Third wave Feminism - bad
        ???
        intersectionality- bad
        Critical Theory - bad
        ???
        Equality, Diversity, Inclusion disguised to accept, love, support and affirm bad ideologies - bad
        Bad ideologies like what?
        Hate and labels weaponized to silence disagreement - bad
        ???
        identity Politics - bad
        Yes, White Supremacists are evil.
        Conterfiet Social Justice - bad
        Counterfeit?
        Political correctness - bad
        Politeness is never bad
        Subjectiveness on right, wrong, good, bad but claim others are wrong because they disagree, only - bad
        Moral decisions are always subjective.
        Seeing same sex attraction as innate - bad
        false
        Using racism to fight racism - bad
        huh?
        Special treatment because of protected category or minority group- bad
        Sometimes people are so disadvantaged that they need special treatment, like blind people.
        Talking points to achieve bad agenda - bad
        So why do RWers rely on them instead of engaging in honest debate?
        Evidence created with lies, corruption and infiltrattion - bad
        Absolutely! So why does anyone pay attention to master liar Trump?
        Weaponizing of labels to silence or achieve agenda - bad
        True and RWers are masters at this - I gave a list in another thread.
        Indoctrination of children - bad
        True. Like forcing children to hear about creationism, which has no scientific basis
        Drag anyone - bad
        Drag story time - bad
        ???
        Intimidation and punishment for disagreeing or not accepting through suing, arrest and jobless- bad
        Suing is what Trump has done his whole life to those he aims to cheat. Glad to disapprove. People who break the law should be arrested.

        Equal intrinsic value of each person born or unborn and treated in that manner regardless of attributes such as race and biological sex but with respect to these attributes and not absolutely ignoring these attributes - Good


        Many other things too but this what I could think of quickly


        Much of what you listed does not make sense to me and I indicated those with ???
        Reality rules, Honor the truth - in memory of Chem1st.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by vibise View Post
          Immigration is a net benefit. After all, virtually all American citizens were immigrants or descended from immigrants.
          So healthcare for immigrants is OK when they are sick, but well visits to uncover problems early is bad?

          Always? Actually, abortion should be up to the woman and should be easily accessible early to avoid mid-late term abortions.
          nobody thinks this is good
          There is nothing bad about natural attractions and marriages between people who love one another.
          Except there is clear scientific consensus that climate change is occurring and that human activity is a significant confributor. Check the websites of actual scientific organizations, like NAS or AGU
          ???
          All accusations should be taken seriously.
          nobody says that
          actual discrimination is bad
          There is such a thing as toxic masculinity. Ask any woman who walks past a construction site.
          ???
          ???
          Bad ideologies like what?
          ???
          Yes, White Supremacists are evil.
          Counterfeit?
          Politeness is never bad
          Moral decisions are always subjective.
          false
          huh?
          Sometimes people are so disadvantaged that they need special treatment, like blind people.
          So why do RWers rely on them instead of engaging in honest debate?
          Absolutely! So why does anyone pay attention to master liar Trump?
          True and RWers are masters at this - I gave a list in another thread.
          True. Like forcing children to hear about creationism, which has no scientific basis
          ???
          Suing is what Trump has done his whole life to those he aims to cheat. Glad to disapprove. People who break the law should be arrested.



          Much of what you listed does not make sense to me and I indicated those with ???
          You reveal yourself yet AGAIN
          As you purposefully try to lump legal & illegal immigration as if they are the SAME, which they are NOT
          SOOOOOO Disingenuous & void of integrity / credibility in such things
          It would be like trying to lump rape in with consensual sex and think it's the SAME, which they are not.

          Your cave does not hide you well enough
          Perception is awareness shaped by beliefs
          Beliefs "control" perception

          ..... Rewrite beliefs and you rewrite perceptions
          .......... Rewrite perceptions and you rewrite behaviors


          Adopting a Do Not Feed The Trolls practice.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by vibise View Post
            People who break the law should be arrested.
            No you DON'T, otherwise you would want Hillary arrested - now show us your true color again as you give your NO integrity or credibility canned response...........
            Perception is awareness shaped by beliefs
            Beliefs "control" perception

            ..... Rewrite beliefs and you rewrite perceptions
            .......... Rewrite perceptions and you rewrite behaviors


            Adopting a Do Not Feed The Trolls practice.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by vibise View Post
              Immigration is a net benefit. After all, virtually all American citizens were immigrants or descended from immigrants.
              So healthcare for immigrants is OK when they are sick, but well visits to uncover problems early is bad?

              Always? Actually, abortion should be up to the woman and should be easily accessible early to avoid mid-late term abortions.
              nobody thinks this is good
              There is nothing bad about natural attractions and marriages between people who love one another.
              Except there is clear scientific consensus that climate change is occurring and that human activity is a significant confributor. Check the websites of actual scientific organizations, like NAS or AGU
              ???
              All accusations should be taken seriously.
              nobody says that
              actual discrimination is bad
              There is such a thing as toxic masculinity. Ask any woman who walks past a construction site.
              ???
              ???
              Bad ideologies like what?
              ???
              Yes, White Supremacists are evil.
              Counterfeit?
              Politeness is never bad
              Moral decisions are always subjective.
              false
              huh?
              Sometimes people are so disadvantaged that they need special treatment, like blind people.
              So why do RWers rely on them instead of engaging in honest debate?
              Absolutely! So why does anyone pay attention to master liar Trump?
              True and RWers are masters at this - I gave a list in another thread.
              True. Like forcing children to hear about creationism, which has no scientific basis
              ???
              Suing is what Trump has done his whole life to those he aims to cheat. Glad to disapprove. People who break the law should be arrested.



              Much of what you listed does not make sense to me and I indicated those with ???
              LEGAL immigration is a net benefit not this crap test you leftists are trying to shove down our throats. Please I am begging you to think BEFORE you post
              "Now, what is the Sacrament of the Altar!
              Answer: It is the true body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, in and under the bread and wine which we Christians are commanded by the Word of Christ to eat and to drink."

              Martin Luther "The Large Cathechism"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ignatius View Post

                LEGAL immigration is a net benefit not this crap test you leftists are trying to shove down our throats. Please I am begging you to think BEFORE you post
                Refugees seeking asylum are legal immigrants.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by john james View Post
                  Just asking for some responses in the ones that some disagree on. 3-5 more or less I forgot to add: Propaganda - bad
                  I think it wise to understand Christianity is not monolithic. Conservative Christians are gonna weigh in on this list differently than liberal Christians. I think it is always best to word such concerns in positive language; what a person or group is for, not what they are against. It is always better to make and read an affirmative case, rather than a negative, if understanding is the goal. I also think several items on that list can be grouped together. For example, most conservative Christians are pro-life and that covers abortion, infanticide, euthanasia, and the intrinsic value of life regardless of any biological factors.

                  My apologies, I'm suddenly called away but I'll return wen i can.
                  All verses cited or quoted or in the NAS unless otherwise noted.

                  “if anyone competes as an athlete, he does not win the prize unless he competes according to the rules.” (2 Tim. 2:5)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Aagcobb View Post

                    Refugees seeking asylum are legal immigrants.
                    Irrelevant. Until such time as a persons asylum request can be verified they are illegal. And only a buffoon thinks that many people are "seeking asylum" and even its true that they are it overwhelms the system so they should be treated as trespassers.
                    "Now, what is the Sacrament of the Altar!
                    Answer: It is the true body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, in and under the bread and wine which we Christians are commanded by the Word of Christ to eat and to drink."

                    Martin Luther "The Large Cathechism"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jeeper View Post

                      You reveal yourself yet AGAIN
                      As you purposefully try to lump legal & illegal immigration as if they are the SAME, which they are NOT
                      SOOOOOO Disingenuous & void of integrity / credibility in such things
                      It would be like trying to lump rape in with consensual sex and think it's the SAME, which they are not.

                      Your cave does not hide you well enough
                      I think anyone in the country should have access to healthcare.
                      Illegals tend to gravitate to jobs picking produce, processing meat, and working in restaurants cooking, cleaning and serving. They also work in nursing homes and in child care. Don't you think it would be wise to ensure these people have regular checkups and immediate care when they are sick.

                      When I was visiting London, my friend fell and thought she broke her ankle. We went to the nearest hospital. They did X-rays, diagnosed a serious sprain, gave her a brace and a cane. The bill was zero. That is how it should be done here.
                      Reality rules, Honor the truth - in memory of Chem1st.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ignatius View Post

                        LEGAL immigration is a net benefit not this crap test you leftists are trying to shove down our throats. Please I am begging you to think BEFORE you post
                        Turns out that illegals fill many of the jobs Americans won't do, and often employers prefer to hire illegals as Trump has been doing for decades at his various properties.

                        These people are underpaid, overworked and get few if any benefits. If those employers had to hire legal immigrants or Americans, don't you think their prices would go up?
                        Reality rules, Honor the truth - in memory of Chem1st.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by vibise View Post

                          Turns out that illegals fill many of the jobs Americans won't do, and often employers prefer to hire illegals as Trump has been doing for decades at his various properties.

                          These people are underpaid, overworked and get few if any benefits. If those employers had to hire legal immigrants or Americans, don't you think their prices would go up?
                          Completely irrelevant

                          then they should have stayed home. no one forced them to be here. please stop whining

                          "Now, what is the Sacrament of the Altar!
                          Answer: It is the true body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, in and under the bread and wine which we Christians are commanded by the Word of Christ to eat and to drink."

                          Martin Luther "The Large Cathechism"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by vibise View Post

                            Turns out that illegals fill many of the jobs Americans won't do, and often employers prefer to hire illegals as Trump has been doing for decades at his various properties.

                            These people are underpaid, overworked and get few if any benefits. If those employers had to hire legal immigrants or Americans, don't you think their prices would go up?
                            vibise, he doesn't care.

                            He doesn't care about them. He doesn't care about the children, the suffering of others, he doesn't care. He doesn't even pretend to care.

                            You can't argue on the basis of the intrinsic value of treating people with dignity and humanity with someone who is openly disdainful of that concept in general.

                            No one's going to be able to convince him that it's important to care about people. He says he's a Christian and Jesus apparently failed to do so. I doubt some people on CARM will.
                            Reborn in Spirit and inspired by God's grace, I welcome all, love all, and seek justice for all.

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