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  • Respect is a 2-way street: Immigration

    If people wanting to immigrate to our country, respect (obey / follow) our laws & established procedures / policies in turn deserve respect.

    BUT

    Immigrants that DISRESPECT (disobey / refuse to follow) our laws & established procedures / policies in turn deserve respect, DON'T deserve our respect
    They are not only disrespecting the United States and it's people, they are disrespecting the people who chose to legally immigrate.
    To further disrespect us & show us contempt, many will use stolen & forged identities.

    I know many lib hacks & sheep (and trolls posing as libs) will try to pretentiously & unscrupulously pretend that that there is NO difference between legal & illegal immigrants, they insult & demean those opposed to illegal immigration and also disrespect & belittle those who respect our country & laws in their immigration legally.

    Then to make it WORSE, many of these same slime-balls want to reward those who disrespect our country, our laws, our people, by making hard working people give the illegal immigrants FREEBIES (health care, food, housing) that we have to work for. Hard working people won't tolerate that to well for very long.
    It will just build hate & resentment by the good hard working people towards those disrespecting them - that's just simple basic human nature and they KNOW it. - is that their goal, to further divided & fragment our country?
    Looks more & more to be the case, they aren't that stupid (though the sheep are) and neither are we.
    Perception is awareness shaped by beliefs
    Beliefs "control" perception

    ..... Rewrite beliefs and you rewrite perceptions
    .......... Rewrite perceptions and you rewrite behaviors


    Adopting a Do Not Feed The Trolls practice.

  • #2
    If you respect America, you can show it by following instructions at Port of Entry. (San Ysidrio handles 70,000 crossing each day)

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Jeeper View Post
      If people wanting to immigrate to our country, respect (obey / follow) our laws & established procedures / policies in turn deserve respect.

      BUT

      Immigrants that DISRESPECT (disobey / refuse to follow) our laws & established procedures / policies in turn deserve respect, DON'T deserve our respect
      They are not only disrespecting the United States and it's people, they are disrespecting the people who chose to legally immigrate.
      To further disrespect us & show us contempt, many will use stolen & forged identities.

      I know many lib hacks & sheep (and trolls posing as libs) will try to pretentiously & unscrupulously pretend that that there is NO difference between legal & illegal immigrants, they insult & demean those opposed to illegal immigration and also disrespect & belittle those who respect our country & laws in their immigration legally.

      Then to make it WORSE, many of these same slime-balls want to reward those who disrespect our country, our laws, our people, by making hard working people give the illegal immigrants FREEBIES (health care, food, housing) that we have to work for. Hard working people won't tolerate that to well for very long.
      It will just build hate & resentment by the good hard working people towards those disrespecting them - that's just simple basic human nature and they KNOW it. - is that their goal, to further divided & fragment our country?
      Looks more & more to be the case, they aren't that stupid (though the sheep are) and neither are we.
      I agree I want immigrants here LEGALLY. that's it
      "Now, what is the Sacrament of the Altar!
      Answer: It is the true body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, in and under the bread and wine which we Christians are commanded by the Word of Christ to eat and to drink."

      Martin Luther "The Large Cathechism"

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Jeeper View Post
        If people wanting to immigrate to our country, respect (obey / follow) our laws & established procedures / policies in turn deserve respect.

        BUT

        Immigrants that DISRESPECT (disobey / refuse to follow) our laws & established procedures / policies in turn deserve respect, DON'T deserve our respect
        They are not only disrespecting the United States and it's people, they are disrespecting the people who chose to legally immigrate.
        To further disrespect us & show us contempt, many will use stolen & forged identities.

        I know many lib hacks & sheep (and trolls posing as libs) will try to pretentiously & unscrupulously pretend that that there is NO difference between legal & illegal immigrants, they insult & demean those opposed to illegal immigration and also disrespect & belittle those who respect our country & laws in their immigration legally.

        Then to make it WORSE, many of these same slime-balls want to reward those who disrespect our country, our laws, our people, by making hard working people give the illegal immigrants FREEBIES (health care, food, housing) that we have to work for. Hard working people won't tolerate that to well for very long.
        It will just build hate & resentment by the good hard working people towards those disrespecting them - that's just simple basic human nature and they KNOW it. - is that their goal, to further divided & fragment our country?
        Looks more & more to be the case, they aren't that stupid (though the sheep are) and neither are we.
        I agree with your basic premise, if you come to America without willingness to abide by our laws and respect our institutions and laws, we're right to kick you out or block your ingress.

        Here's the problem I see in your argument. You are conflating illegal immigration with seeking asylum after crossing the border illegally. So is 40% of America.

        I'm referring to the laws around seeking asylum, the ones on the books, not Trump's recent 'changes' such as not being allowed to seek asylum UNLESS you come through a port of entry.

        What's happening on the border looks deliberate, to me. Trump could have set up an infrastructure to handle and even turn back all these people in a reasonably humane fashion -- but he didn't. He announced zero tolerance and forced CBP to handle it with resources that were never meant for zero tolerance.

        The incessant rhetoric you are basically repeating word for word is also deliberate. It's deliberate because Trump realized, nearly halfway through his term that revamping the tax code isn't why his base elected him -- they elected him to get satisfaction against those who are turning America into something they don't recognize.

        He couldn't get away with it without constant, deliberate infusions of the rhetoric you are using here. It keeps you insulated from the humanitarian crisis you were told your whole life is unAmerican. It keeps you insulated from your relief in finally seeing the punishment deserved being meted out on your liberal oppressors. No one enjoys knowing themselves to be cowards, so it's understandable. I just want to keep it real, and maybe have a real discussion someday instead of this contrived YouTube nonsense.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Jeeper View Post
          If people wanting to immigrate to our country, respect (obey / follow) our laws & established procedures / policies in turn deserve respect.

          BUT

          Immigrants that DISRESPECT (disobey / refuse to follow) our laws & established procedures / policies in turn deserve respect, DON'T deserve our respect
          They are not only disrespecting the United States and it's people, they are disrespecting the people who chose to legally immigrate.
          To further disrespect us & show us contempt, many will use stolen & forged identities.

          I know many lib hacks & sheep (and trolls posing as libs) will try to pretentiously & unscrupulously pretend that that there is NO difference between legal & illegal immigrants, they insult & demean those opposed to illegal immigration and also disrespect & belittle those who respect our country & laws in their immigration legally.

          Then to make it WORSE, many of these same slime-balls want to reward those who disrespect our country, our laws, our people, by making hard working people give the illegal immigrants FREEBIES (health care, food, housing) that we have to work for. Hard working people won't tolerate that to well for very long.
          It will just build hate & resentment by the good hard working people towards those disrespecting them - that's just simple basic human nature and they KNOW it. - is that their goal, to further divided & fragment our country?
          Looks more & more to be the case, they aren't that stupid (though the sheep are) and neither are we.
          miscegenation used to be illegal and right-wingers were against it

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          • #6
            Refugees have a legal right to enter the country and seek asylum.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Kastewart View Post

              I agree with your basic premise, if you come to America without willingness to abide by our laws and respect our institutions and laws, we're right to kick you out or block your ingress.

              Here's the problem I see in your argument. You are conflating illegal immigration with seeking asylum after crossing the border illegally. So is 40% of America.

              I'm referring to the laws around seeking asylum, the ones on the books, not Trump's recent 'changes' such as not being allowed to seek asylum UNLESS you come through a port of entry.

              What's happening on the border looks deliberate, to me. Trump could have set up an infrastructure to handle and even turn back all these people in a reasonably humane fashion -- but he didn't. He announced zero tolerance and forced CBP to handle it with resources that were never meant for zero tolerance.

              The incessant rhetoric you are basically repeating word for word is also deliberate. It's deliberate because Trump realized, nearly halfway through his term that revamping the tax code isn't why his base elected him -- they elected him to get satisfaction against those who are turning America into something they don't recognize.

              He couldn't get away with it without constant, deliberate infusions of the rhetoric you are using here. It keeps you insulated from the humanitarian crisis you were told your whole life is unAmerican. It keeps you insulated from your relief in finally seeing the punishment deserved being meted out on your liberal oppressors. No one enjoys knowing themselves to be cowards, so it's understandable. I just want to keep it real, and maybe have a real discussion someday instead of this contrived YouTube nonsense.
              BOGUS
              HYPOCRISY of libs (they have surpassed christians in their hypocrisy!)
              They are abusing & misusing the asylum seeking - they are NOT seeking asylum for it's stated purposes, they are just seeking jobs & a better life and being used by the hate America / no borders foreigners. They are crossing into the country ILLEGALLY, not how they are suppose to actually seek asylum.

              Our message absolutely is don't send your children unaccompanied, on trains or through a bunch of smugglers,
              Do not send your children to the borders, If they do make it, they'll get sent back. More importantly, they may not make it.

              Undocumented immigrant children will not remain in US

              Those who enter the country illegally and those who employ them disrespect the rule of law, and they are showing disregard for those who are following the law. We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented (and) unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently and lawfully to become immigrants in this country

              The number of immigrants added to the labor force every year is of a magnitude not seen in this country for over a century, if this huge influx of mostly low-skill workers provides some benefits to the economy as a whole especially by keeping our workforce young, in contrast to an increasingly geriatric Europe and Japan it also threatens to depress further the wages of blue-collar Americans and put strains on an already overburdened safety net

              Even as we are a nation of immigrants, we are also a nation of laws, We expect people who live in this country to play by the rules.
              We expect that those who cut the line will not be unfairly rewarded.
              ALL said by Obama, if Trump said those words the screaming by the LYING IMMORAL left would be broadcast on all the "news" networks! People would call even louder for his impeachment.
              Perception is awareness shaped by beliefs
              Beliefs "control" perception

              ..... Rewrite beliefs and you rewrite perceptions
              .......... Rewrite perceptions and you rewrite behaviors


              Adopting a Do Not Feed The Trolls practice.

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