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Is there any secular sources of evidence that are not corruptible? How do you tell if

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    Is there any secular sources of evidence that are not corruptible? How do you tell if the evidence is true or not without being the actual person who developed the evidence?

  • #2
    Originally posted by john james View Post
    Is there any secular sources of evidence that are not corruptible? How do you tell if the evidence is true or not without being the actual person who developed the evidence?
    Most everything is corruptible.4
    Being corrupted (like how the bible has been) is a differnt matter.

    Money is corruptible (making counterfeit is possible) but that doesn't mean the money in your purse is corrupted.
    Perception is awareness shaped by beliefs
    Beliefs "control" perception

    ..... Rewrite beliefs and you rewrite perceptions
    .......... Rewrite perceptions and you rewrite behaviors


    Adopting a Do Not Feed The Trolls practice.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by john james View Post
      Is there any secular sources of evidence that are not corruptible? How do you tell if the evidence is true or not without being the actual person who developed the evidence?
      Depends on what the subject is and the implications are. Most everything is subject to modification based on more detailed discoveries and or agendas involved.

      Did you have any general areas or specific things in mind ?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by john james View Post
        Is there any secular sources of evidence that are not corruptible? How do you tell if the evidence is true or not without being the actual person who developed the evidence?
        Every time you bring this up you get asked if you have any evidence of this "corruption" and you never do. Your usual MO is to claim that you don't have to show any evidence because....reasons...
        And truthfully that sort of thing makes you look like the corrupted one

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        • #5
          Originally posted by john james View Post
          Is there any secular sources of evidence that are not corruptible?
          No.

          How do you tell if the evidence is true or not without being the actual person who developed the evidence?
          You have to consider how reliable the person is who developed the evidence, what incentive he might have to be untruthful about it, what penalties there are for him being untruthful, how well the evidence fits with other evidence, etc.

          You can never be certain, and even if you are, you could be wrong. That's why we have juries of 12 (relatively) objective citizens who all have to agree before we convict someone. And even then innocent people get convicted.

          We just have to do the best we can.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by eyesmile View Post

            Depends on what the subject is and the implications are. Most everything is subject to modification based on more detailed discoveries and or agendas involved.

            Did you have any general areas or specific things in mind ?
            Science

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            • #7
              Originally posted by john james View Post

              Science
              Well that's a general area for sure and personally I look for patterns and trust people like Hugh Ross, John Lennox, James M. Tour etc. when secular agendas seem to try and skew the actual science disciplines of Newton etc.

              Bio science has been corrupted" by leftist politics for a long time such as the Darwinist observations of adaptation morphing into macro TOE theory and even racism and the deadly eugenics movement.
              Last edited by eyesmile; 09-14-19, 12:45 AM.

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                But many freshmen dont as we have seen with their rejection of science when it comes to abortion and lgbt. We have been showing you. So you are wrong

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by brightmorningstar View Post

                  But many freshmen dont as we have seen with their rejection of science when it comes to abortion and lgbt. We have been showing you. So you are wrong
                  LOL... And what science would that be?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TeabagSalad View Post

                    LOL... And what science would that be?
                    The "science" of GW or CC or whatever new name they have given it is highly corruptible and political with some bordering on psychotic evangelism to claim that opinions now equal fact.
                    “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” - Socrates

                    "The concept of a "Personal God," interfering with natural events,...." No criticism of this distorted idea of God can be sharp enough". - Tillich

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by john james View Post
                      Is there any secular sources of evidence that are not corruptible? How do you tell if the evidence is true or not without being the actual person who developed the evidence?
                      That is why we have the scientific method. Research results are published in scientific journals, which gives other scientists the opportunity to conduct the same experiments to see if the results are repeatable.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Aagcobb View Post

                        That is why we have the scientific method. Research results are published in scientific journals, which gives other scientists the opportunity to conduct the same experiments to see if the results are repeatable.
                        As an evangelical would say:

                        That is why we have experts in apologetics who examine the "testimony" and spend many years going through the holy texts. Their research results are published in books and online, which gives other bible experts the opportunity to conduct the same experiments to see if the results are repeatable.
                        PS. If you aren't a scientist or bible expert, you aren't a credible source to discuss and debate either topic.
                        “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” - Socrates

                        "The concept of a "Personal God," interfering with natural events,...." No criticism of this distorted idea of God can be sharp enough". - Tillich

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Deist View Post

                          The "science" of GW or CC or whatever new name they have given it is highly corruptible and political with some bordering on psychotic evangelism to claim that opinions now equal fact.
                          evangelicals have been claiming their opinions are facts for years

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by john james View Post
                            Is there any secular sources of evidence that are not corruptible? How do you tell if the evidence is true or not without being the actual person who developed the evidence?
                            A secular source can masquerade as a divine source; for example Harold Camping and all those other failed predictions of the end of the world that claimed (falsely) to be divine revelation.

                            Given the number of different religions and the number of different denominations within those religions, any claim to be a divine (i.e. non-secular) source of evidence needs to be treated sceptically.

                            $0.02
                            The ultimate truth is that there is no ultimate truth.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SilverBear View Post

                              evangelicals have been claiming their opinions are facts for years
                              As have scientists.
                              “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” - Socrates

                              "The concept of a "Personal God," interfering with natural events,...." No criticism of this distorted idea of God can be sharp enough". - Tillich

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