Announcement

Collapse

Message to all users:

https://carm.org/forum-rules

Super Member Subscription
https://carm.org/carm-super-members-banner-ad-signup

As most of you are aware, we had a crash to forums and were down for over two days a while back. We did have to do an upgrade to the vbulletin software to fix the forums and that has created changes, VB no longer provide the hybrid or threaded forums. There are some issues/changes to the forums we are not able to fix or change. Also note the link address change, please let friends and posters know of the changed link to the forums. For now this is the only link available, https://forums.carm.org/vb5/ but if clicking on forum on carm.org homepage it will now send you to this link. (edited to add https: now working.

Again, we are working through some of the posting and viewing issues to learn how to post with the changes, you will have to check and test the different features, icons that have changed. You may also want to go to profile settings,since many of the notifications, information in profile, also to update/edit your avatar by clicking on avatar space, pull down arrow next to login for user settings.

Edit to add "How to read forums, to make it easier."
Pull down arrow next to login name upper right select profile, or user settings when page opens to profile,select link in tab that says Account. Then select/choose options, go down to Conversation Detail Options, Select Display mode Posts, NOT Activity, that selection of Posts will make the pages of discussions go to last post on last page rather than out of order that happens if you choose activity threads. Then be sure to go to bottom and select SAVE Changes in your profile options. You can then follow discussions by going through the pages, to the last page having latest responses. Then click on the other links Privacy, Notifications, to select viewing options,the forums get easier if you open all the tabs or links in your profile, user settings and select options. To join Super Member, pull down arrow next to login name, select User Settings and then click on tab/link at top that says Subscriptions.

Thank you for your patience and God Bless.

Diane S
https://carm.org/forum-rules
See more
See less

Can A Christian Vote For Abortion?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #31
    Originally posted by swordsman View Post
    Science says that a new human being comes into existence at conception. Thus, abortion murders that human being. Currently, there are about 2500 abortion murders per day, almost a million a year, and 60,000,000 since Roe vs. Wade in 1973.

    The Democratic Party's platform completely supports abortion and virtually all Democrats sent to Washington support and continue it. Can a Christian vote for such Democrats and be faithful to God?

    Our nation has a law about aiding and abetting or being an accessory. If two men (Smith and Jones) plan to rob a liquor store and Jones goes in while Smith sits in the car, Smith is guilty of the murder that Jones commits while he is in the store, even if that wasn't in the plans. If a third man gave them the layout of the store to help them rob it, he's guilty as well.

    The apostle John wrote, "Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting;11 for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds." (II John 9-11). If a Christian helped the false teacher by giving him a greeting (God bless you -?) or by receiving him into his house (giving him a place to stay), he was participating in the evil deed of the false teacher. He was guilty of the false doctrine as well. He aided and abetted, an accessory to the evil. God's law of aiding and abetting works in the positive way, as well: Matthew 10:41
    He who receives a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward; and he who receives a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward.

    Voting for pro-abortion Democrats (and there are few that aren't) supports and continues abortion murder as a whole. I'll give a specific example of one kind of abortion within the whole. When Bill Clinton was president, he twice vetoed a bill passed by Republicans that would have banned partial birth abortions. In those, the abortionist reaches inside the woman's womb, turns the baby, grabs it by the feet and pulls it out of the womb except for the head. Then, while the baby is still living, he jabs it in the back of the head/neck with a pair of "scissors", spreads them to make the hole larger, sticks in a tube, and suctions out the brain of that living child. 8 years passed before Bush signed the ban into law. During those 8 years, about 16,000 unborn babies cruelly murdered in a way we wouldn't even execute the worst criminal on death row. Bill Clinton and those who voted for him are responsible for those 16,000 horrific deaths.

    No, a Christian can't vote for pro-murder politicians and be faithful to God. It makes him a murderer by God's own laws and murderers are thrown into the lake of fire.

    Vote for life instead of voting for murder.

    Swordsman
    No true Christian could vote for a pro-choice candidate. It's wrong on every level. I'm not Catholic, but I believe that Cardinal Arinze sums it up quite nicely.



    I hear this same argument coming from liberals all the time. They say things like "I would never personally get an abortion, but if other women want to, that's on them, not me."

    Next is the rape excuse, fetal deformities, etc. Statistically these occurrences are very, very low. Law to deal with the exceptions has turned into abortion for convenience. It's monstrous and immoral. The people who say these things know it.

    It is fundamentally necessary and healthy for Christians to acknowledge that God foreknows nothing uncertainly, but that He foresees, purposes, and does all things according to His own immutable, eternal and infallible will. This bombshell knocks "free-will" flat…

    Martin Luther The Bondage of the Will

    Comment


    • #32
      Originally posted by Beloved Daughter View Post

      No true Christian could vote for a pro-choice candidate. It's wrong on every level. I'm not Catholic, but I believe that Cardinal Arinze sums it up quite nicely.



      I hear this same argument coming from liberals all the time. They say things like "I would never personally get an abortion, but if other women want to, that's on them, not me."

      Next is the rape excuse, fetal deformities, etc. Statistically these occurrences are very, very low. Law to deal with the exceptions has turned into abortion for convenience. It's monstrous and immoral. The people who say these things know it.
      A "No true Christian" argument? There is quite a list of things that "No True Christian" would do, and it seems that what it means to be a Christian shifts from generation to generation!

      Comment


      • #33
        Originally posted by simplicio View Post

        A "No true Christian" argument? There is quite a list of things that "No True Christian" would do, and it seems that what it means to be a Christian shifts from generation to generation!
        This is true and not true. Abortion is evil, morally reprehensible and premeditated murder. The liberal side of Lutherans (ELCA) and Presbyterians (PCA) both allow for abortion.
        It is fundamentally necessary and healthy for Christians to acknowledge that God foreknows nothing uncertainly, but that He foresees, purposes, and does all things according to His own immutable, eternal and infallible will. This bombshell knocks "free-will" flat…

        Martin Luther The Bondage of the Will

        Comment


        • #34
          Originally posted by Beloved Daughter View Post

          This is true and not true. Abortion is evil, morally reprehensible and premeditated murder. The liberal side of Lutherans (ELCA) and Presbyterians (PCA) both allow for abortion.
          So why does the bible command the abortions of remarried divorcees and other adulteresses (Numbers 5:20-28 Mark 10:11-12), and is that why Lutherans and Presbyterian Calvinists support abortion?

          Numbers 5:20-28 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
          20 If, in fact, you have been unfaithful and have had sexual intercourse with another man, 21 may the Lord make you an example for your people to see what happens when the curse of this oath comes true: The Lord will make your uterus drop and your stomach swell.’[a]
          “Then the priest will administer the oath and the curse by saying: 22 ‘May this water that can bring a curse go into your body and make your stomach swell and your uterus drop!’
          “Then the woman will say, ‘Amen, amen!’
          23 “The priest will write these curses on a scroll and wash them off into the bitter water. 24 Then he will have the woman drink the bitter water that can bring the curse. This water will go into her and become bitter. 25 The priest will take the grain offering she was holding, present it to the Lord, and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest will take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial portion and burn it on the altar. Then he will have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has become unclean by being unfaithful to her husband, the water that can bring the curse will go into her and become bitter. Her stomach will swell, her uterus will drop, and she will become cursed among her people. 28 But if the woman is not unclean and is pure, she is not guilty and will be able to have children.


          Last edited by juglans1; 10-20-18, 02:31 AM.
          ... always look on the bright side of life - Idle Cleese

          Comment


          • #35



            Originally posted by juglans1 View Post
            So why does the bible command the abortions of remarried divorcees and other adulteresses (Numbers 5:20-28 Mark 10:11-12), and is that why Lutherans and Presbyterian Calvinists support abortion?

            Numbers 5:20-28 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
            20 If, in fact, you have been unfaithful and have had sexual intercourse with another man, 21 may the Lord make you an example for your people to see what happens when the curse of this oath comes true: The Lord will make your uterus drop and your stomach swell.’[a]
            “Then the priest will administer the oath and the curse by saying: 22 ‘May this water that can bring a curse go into your body and make your stomach swell and your uterus drop!’
            “Then the woman will say, ‘Amen, amen!’
            23 “The priest will write these curses on a scroll and wash them off into the bitter water. 24 Then he will have the woman drink the bitter water that can bring the curse. This water will go into her and become bitter. 25 The priest will take the grain offering she was holding, present it to the Lord, and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest will take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial portion and burn it on the altar. Then he will have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has become unclean by being unfaithful to her husband, the water that can bring the curse will go into her and become bitter. Her stomach will swell, her uterus will drop, and she will become cursed among her people. 28 But if the woman is not unclean and is pure, she is not guilty and will be able to have children.

            This example is why I beg other Christians not to use the abomination argument in Leviticus for homosexuality. The Old Testament teaches things such as stoning a willful child. The Jews held to over 600 rules. Yet Psalm 139 says God knew us before we were ever born. There are many verses in the OT about protecting the unborn. We can learn from it. Draw inferences about the human conditions. Most Christians I know, have read the Old Testament.

            This is from a site called Got Questions on the issue you raise.

            The link https://www.*****************/Numbers-abortion.html

            The asterisks are ************.

            Question: "Is Numbers 5:11-31 referring to God causing an abortion? What was the jealousy offering?"

            Answer:
            Numbers 5:11-31, describes an unusual procedure, known as the jealousy offering, a husband could use to determine if his wife had been unfaithful to him. Essentially, the husband and wife would come to the priest, the priest would then create a concoction of unpleasant ingredients, and then the wife would have to drink the concoction. If the wife was guilty of adultery, she would get sick and her belly would swell. If the wife was innocent, God would protect her from the effects of the concoction. There was nothing magical about the concoction. It was entirely a matter of God using the result to demonstrate whether a woman was innocent or guilty. So, in summary, Numbers 5:11-31
            affirms the truth of Numbers 32:23, "Be sure yoill find you out."Some propose that Numbers 5:11-31 refers to God causing an abortion. The 2011 edition of the NIV mistakenly states that the drink will cause miscarriage in Numbers 5:21-22
            . However, this is not what the passage is talking about. Pregnancy is nowhere mentioned, or even hinted at, in the text. The only thing that even sounds like pregnancy is the guilty wife’s stomach becoming bloated, but even in that instance, it has nothing to do with pregnancy. Further, the passage does not say that drinking the concoction would cause an abortion/miscarriage. While drinking a poisonous mixture of ingredients could very well cause a miscarriage, that is not what this text is speaking of.
            If a wife was found guilty, the punishment was death (Leviticus 20:10). If the wife was found innocent, she would be “cleared of guilt” and “able to have children” (
            Numbers 11:28). So, again, Numbers 5:11-31does not refer to abortion in any sense. Rather, it is describing a method that God allowed to be used to determine if a wife had committed adultery against her husband.

            I appreciate your question.

            You don't have to be a Christian to use the site. It's generally accepted as solid in their theology.
            Last edited by Beloved Daughter; 10-20-18, 04:49 AM.
            It is fundamentally necessary and healthy for Christians to acknowledge that God foreknows nothing uncertainly, but that He foresees, purposes, and does all things according to His own immutable, eternal and infallible will. This bombshell knocks "free-will" flat…

            Martin Luther The Bondage of the Will

            Comment


            • #36
              Originally posted by Beloved Daughter View Post




              This example is why I beg other Christians not to use the abomination argument in Leviticus for homosexuality. The Old Testament teaches things such as stoning a willful child. The Jews held to over 600 rules. Yet Psalm 139 says God knew us before we were ever born. There are many verses in the OT about protecting the unborn. We can learn from it. Draw inferences about the human conditions. Most Christians I know, have read the Old Testament.

              This is from a site called Got Questions on the issue you raise.

              The link https://www.*****************/Numbers-abortion.html

              The asterisks are ************.

              Question: "Is Numbers 5:11-31 referring to God causing an abortion? What was the jealousy offering?"

              Answer:
              Numbers 5:11-31, describes an unusual procedure, known as the jealousy offering, a husband could use to determine if his wife had been unfaithful to him. Essentially, the husband and wife would come to the priest, the priest would then create a concoction of unpleasant ingredients, and then the wife would have to drink the concoction. If the wife was guilty of adultery, she would get sick and her belly would swell. If the wife was innocent, God would protect her from the effects of the concoction. There was nothing magical about the concoction. It was entirely a matter of God using the result to demonstrate whether a woman was innocent or guilty. So, in summary, Numbers 5:11-31
              affirms the truth of Numbers 32:23, "Be sure yoill find you out."Some propose that Numbers 5:11-31 refers to God causing an abortion. The 2011 edition of the NIV mistakenly states that the drink will cause miscarriage in Numbers 5:21-22
              . However, this is not what the passage is talking about. Pregnancy is nowhere mentioned, or even hinted at, in the text. The only thing that even sounds like pregnancy is the guilty wife’s stomach becoming bloated, but even in that instance, it has nothing to do with pregnancy. Further, the passage does not say that drinking the concoction would cause an abortion/miscarriage. While drinking a poisonous mixture of ingredients could very well cause a miscarriage, that is not what this text is speaking of.
              If a wife was found guilty, the punishment was death (Leviticus 20:10). If the wife was found innocent, she would be “cleared of guilt” and “able to have children” (

              Numbers 11:28). So, again, Numbers 5:11-31does not refer to abortion in any sense. Rather, it is describing a method that God allowed to be used to determine if a wife had committed adultery against her husband.

              I appreciate your question.

              You don't have to be a Christian to use the site. It's generally accepted as solid in their theology.
              Wrong!!! The commandment in Numbers 5:20 -28 to abort adulteresses is about the property rights of men, and to ensure legitimate lines of descent and inheritance, and has nothing to do with an imaginary god and magic spells and magic potions.

              If you believe otherwise then why aren't male adulterers also required to drink a medication of "bitter water" and say "So be it, So be it", and then stoned to death if their stomach becomes bloated and their thighs fall away too.

              Numbers 5:20-28 Names of God Bible (NOG)
              20 If, in fact, you have been unfaithful and have had sexual intercourse with another man, 21 may Yahweh make you an example for your people to see what happens when the curse of this oath comes true: Yahweh will make your uterus drop and your stomach swell.’[a]
              “Then the priest will administer the oath and the curse by saying: 22 ‘May this water that can bring a curse go into your body and make your stomach swell and your uterus drop!’
              “Then the woman will say, ‘Amen, amen!’
              23 “The priest will write these curses on a scroll and wash them off into the bitter water. 24 Then he will have the woman drink the bitter water that can bring the curse. This water will go into her and become bitter. 25 The priest will take the grain offering she was holding, present it to Yahweh, and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest will take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial portion and burn it on the altar. Then he will have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has become unclean by being unfaithful to her husband, the water that can bring the curse will go into her and become bitter. Her stomach will swell, her uterus will drop, and she will become cursed among her people. 28 But if the woman is not unclean and is pure, she is not guilty and will be able to have children.


              ... always look on the bright side of life - Idle Cleese

              Comment


              • #37
                Originally posted by juglans1 View Post
                Wrong!!! The commandment in Numbers 5:20 -28 to abort adulteresses is about the property rights of men, and to ensure legitimate lines of descent and inheritance, and has nothing to do with an imaginary god and magic spells and magic potions.

                If you believe otherwise then why aren't male adulterers also required to drink a medication of "bitter water" and say "So be it, So be it", and then stoned to death if their stomach becomes bloated and their thighs fall away too.

                Numbers 5:20-28 Names of God Bible (NOG)
                20 If, in fact, you have been unfaithful and have had sexual intercourse with another man, 21 may Yahweh make you an example for your people to see what happens when the curse of this oath comes true: Yahweh will make your uterus drop and your stomach swell.’[a]
                “Then the priest will administer the oath and the curse by saying: 22 ‘May this water that can bring a curse go into your body and make your stomach swell and your uterus drop!’
                “Then the woman will say, ‘Amen, amen!’
                23 “The priest will write these curses on a scroll and wash them off into the bitter water. 24 Then he will have the woman drink the bitter water that can bring the curse. This water will go into her and become bitter. 25 The priest will take the grain offering she was holding, present it to Yahweh, and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest will take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial portion and burn it on the altar. Then he will have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has become unclean by being unfaithful to her husband, the water that can bring the curse will go into her and become bitter. Her stomach will swell, her uterus will drop, and she will become cursed among her people. 28 But if the woman is not unclean and is pure, she is not guilty and will be able to have children.

                Ridiculing people never works. It is true that atheists use name-calling to shut down conversation. You come out looking like a bully.

                You can say whatever you want to (within the rules). But you were the one who used the scriptures out of context.



                It is fundamentally necessary and healthy for Christians to acknowledge that God foreknows nothing uncertainly, but that He foresees, purposes, and does all things according to His own immutable, eternal and infallible will. This bombshell knocks "free-will" flat…

                Martin Luther The Bondage of the Will

                Comment


                • #38
                  Originally posted by Beloved Daughter View Post

                  Ridiculing people never works. It is true that atheists use name-calling to shut down conversation. You come out looking like a bully.

                  You can say whatever you want to (within the rules). But you were the one who used the scriptures out of context.


                  Unlike the ridiculing name-calling bullying interviewer in that video, who am I ridiculing or name-calling or bullying? I'm simply pointing out the obvious meaning and purpose of that commandment to terminate the pregnancies of remarried divorcees and other adulteresses. Unless you can show us where that commandment also applies to male adulterers and/or that remarried divorcees and other adulteresses never become pregnant, and how to make a "uterus to fall" or how to make a "thigh to rot" (KJV), then that commandment is obviously about the property rights of men to ensure legitimate lines of descent and inheritance.

                  And where does the bible condemn abortion anyway, given that it commands you to butcher and consume all the little children and unborn your god brings you (Deut 7:16) and says it's OK to eat your own children for survival if under siege (Deut 28:53)?

                  Numbers 5:20-28 New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)
                  20 But if you have gone astray while under the authority of your husband, and if you have defiled yourself and a man other than your husband has had intercourse with you”— 21 so shall the priest adjure the woman with this imprecation—“may the Lord make you a curse and malediction[a] among your people by causing your uterus to fall and your belly to swell! 22 May this water, then, that brings a curse, enter your bowels to make your belly swell and your uterus fall!” And the woman shall say, “Amen, amen!”[b] 23 The priest shall put these curses in writing and shall then wash them off into the water of bitterness, 24 and he will have the woman drink the water of bitterness that brings a curse, so that the water that brings a curse may enter into her to her bitter hurt. 25 But first the priest shall take the grain offering of jealousy from the woman’s hand, and having elevated the grain offering before the Lord, shall bring it to the altar, 26 where he shall take a handful of the grain offering as a token offering and burn it on the altar. Only then shall he have the woman drink the water. 27 Once he has had her drink the water, if she has defiled herself and been unfaithful to her husband, the water that brings a curse will enter into her to her bitter hurt, and her belly will swell and her uterus will fall, so that she will become a curse among her people. 28 If, however, the woman has not defiled herself, but is still pure, she will be immune and will still be fertile.
                  Last edited by juglans1; 10-20-18, 08:56 AM.
                  ... always look on the bright side of life - Idle Cleese

                  Comment


                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Beloved Daughter View Post

                    This example is why I beg other Christians not to use the abomination argument in Leviticus for homosexuality.
                    That's because Leviticus 18 & 20 as well as Romans 1:26-27 are only referring to anal sex of both men and women which is described as disgusting (Lev 18 & 20) and vile and unseemly (Rom 1:26-27), and given that female homosexuality is not mentioned in the bible..
                    Last edited by juglans1; 10-20-18, 04:27 PM.
                    ... always look on the bright side of life - Idle Cleese

                    Comment


                    • #40
                      Originally posted by juglans1 View Post
                      That's because Leviticus 18 & 20 as well as Romans 1:26-27 are only referring to anal sex of both men and women which is described as disgusting (Lev 18 & 20) and vile and unseemly (Rom 1:26-27), and given that female homosexuality is not mentioned in the bible..
                      I see you are not familiar with the scriptures. I am not surprised.
                      It is fundamentally necessary and healthy for Christians to acknowledge that God foreknows nothing uncertainly, but that He foresees, purposes, and does all things according to His own immutable, eternal and infallible will. This bombshell knocks "free-will" flat…

                      Martin Luther The Bondage of the Will

                      Comment


                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Beloved Daughter View Post

                        I see you are not familiar with the scriptures. I am not surprised.
                        Ridiculing people never works.

                        So what is described in Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13 and Romans 1:26-27 as disgusting and "vile" and "unseemly" if it is not anal sex? And where does the bible refer to female homosexuality?

                        Last edited by juglans1; 10-20-18, 08:54 PM.
                        ... always look on the bright side of life - Idle Cleese

                        Comment


                        • #42
                          Originally posted by juglans1 View Post
                          Ridiculing people never works.

                          So what is described in Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13 and Romans 1:26-27 as disgusting and "vile" and "unseemly" if it is not anal sex? And where does the bible refer to female homosexuality?
                          Ridicule? Seriously? I made an observation regarding your utility with scripture. I am not surprised because you are an atheist. Some things go together. There are exceptions. Dan Barker from the FFRF is my cousin. He went to Azusa Pacific to study for the ministry. He knows the Bible fairly well, but he is not above twisting the words of scripture. Further, I'm not 100% sure, but I don't believe he has any serious training in Greek and/or Hebrew.

                          I'm not here to name call or belittle. I answered a Christian thread regarding abortion.

                          It is fundamentally necessary and healthy for Christians to acknowledge that God foreknows nothing uncertainly, but that He foresees, purposes, and does all things according to His own immutable, eternal and infallible will. This bombshell knocks "free-will" flat…

                          Martin Luther The Bondage of the Will

                          Comment


                          • #43
                            Originally posted by juglans1 View Post
                            Unlike the ridiculing name-calling bullying interviewer in that video, who am I ridiculing or name-calling or bullying? I'm simply pointing out the obvious meaning and purpose of that commandment to terminate the pregnancies of remarried divorcees and other adulteresses. Unless you can show us where that commandment also applies to male adulterers and/or that remarried divorcees and other adulteresses never become pregnant, and how to make a "uterus to fall" or how to make a "thigh to rot" (KJV), then that commandment is obviously about the property rights of men to ensure legitimate lines of descent and inheritance.

                            And where does the bible condemn abortion anyway, given that it commands you to butcher and consume all the little children and unborn your god brings you (Deut 7:16) and says it's OK to eat your own children for survival if under siege (Deut 28:53)?

                            Numbers 5:20-28 New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE)
                            20 But if you have gone astray while under the authority of your husband, and if you have defiled yourself and a man other than your husband has had intercourse with you”— 21 so shall the priest adjure the woman with this imprecation—“may the Lord make you a curse and malediction[a] among your people by causing your uterus to fall and your belly to swell! 22 May this water, then, that brings a curse, enter your bowels to make your belly swell and your uterus fall!” And the woman shall say, “Amen, amen!”[b] 23 The priest shall put these curses in writing and shall then wash them off into the water of bitterness, 24 and he will have the woman drink the water of bitterness that brings a curse, so that the water that brings a curse may enter into her to her bitter hurt. 25 But first the priest shall take the grain offering of jealousy from the woman’s hand, and having elevated the grain offering before the Lord, shall bring it to the altar, 26 where he shall take a handful of the grain offering as a token offering and burn it on the altar. Only then shall he have the woman drink the water. 27 Once he has had her drink the water, if she has defiled herself and been unfaithful to her husband, the water that brings a curse will enter into her to her bitter hurt, and her belly will swell and her uterus will fall, so that she will become a curse among her people. 28 If, however, the woman has not defiled herself, but is still pure, she will be immune and will still be fertile.
                            The person you called a bully is Summer White. I don't expect that to mean anything to you, but for others she is noteworthy. I don't see any reason to hi-jack the thread.

                            She didn't bully anyone. She asked questions that not a single woman in the video could answer, or they ran away because they didn't want to be challenged on their own absurd beliefs.

                            Heads up. For me as a Christian, once a person misuses scripture and belittles me for believing in the God of the universe, I no longer have any interest in watching you further use scripture out of its context.

                            God Bless
                            It is fundamentally necessary and healthy for Christians to acknowledge that God foreknows nothing uncertainly, but that He foresees, purposes, and does all things according to His own immutable, eternal and infallible will. This bombshell knocks "free-will" flat…

                            Martin Luther The Bondage of the Will

                            Comment


                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Beloved Daughter View Post

                              Ridicule? Seriously? I made an observation regarding your utility with scripture. I am not surprised because you are an atheist. Some things go together. There are exceptions. Dan Barker from the FFRF is my cousin. He went to Azusa Pacific to study for the ministry. He knows the Bible fairly well, but he is not above twisting the words of scripture. Further, I'm not 100% sure, but I don't believe he has any serious training in Greek and/or Hebrew.

                              I'm not here to name call or belittle. I answered a Christian thread regarding abortion.
                              But it still doesn't change the fact that the bible says nothing about female homosexuality, and that Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13 and Romans 1:26-27 are about anal sex of men and women which is described as disgusting and "vile" and "unseemly".


                              Last edited by juglans1; 10-21-18, 12:12 AM.
                              ... always look on the bright side of life - Idle Cleese

                              Comment


                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Beloved Daughter View Post

                                The person you called a bully is Summer White. I don't expect that to mean anything to you, but for others she is noteworthy. I don't see any reason to hi-jack the thread.

                                She didn't bully anyone. She asked questions that not a single woman in the video could answer, or they ran away because they didn't want to be challenged on their own absurd beliefs.

                                Heads up. For me as a Christian, once a person misuses scripture and belittles me for believing in the God of the universe, I no longer have any interest in watching you further use scripture out of its context.

                                God Bless
                                But none of that changes the fact that the bible does not condemn abortion, but indeed in plain black and white clearly commands the abortion of remarried divorcees and other adulteresses.

                                Numbers 5:20-28 New International Version (NIV)
                                20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[a] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”
                                “‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”
                                23 “‘The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial[b] offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.





                                Last edited by juglans1; 10-21-18, 10:20 PM.
                                ... always look on the bright side of life - Idle Cleese

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X