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  • EXPOSING the book of HEBREWS

    Hi to all.

    You don't need to be reminded that the Book of HEBREWS is in the NT and the Author is UNKNOWN.

    The great majority of People believe Paul wrote it and also I believe Paul wrote it.

    This Book has Lots of ERRORS. The aim of this THREAD is to expose these errors for those who need to know that the book cannot be trusted. I am not forcing or asking anybody to reject the book . That is your own decision to test the writings in the book and to reject what you believe is NOT inspired by The Holy Spirit.

    Chapter 13: 17 Tells the readers to TRUST mortal man concerning their soul and doctrine. This is a tool all pastors use to control their flock in all denominations! Psalms 118: 8 For- warns us to TRUST Only GOD! Some people here have different views and embrace Heb 13: 17 even though Psalms 118: 8 was pointed out to them. I REJECT Heb 13: 17 because it gives powers for pastors to teach different doctrines to their flock. This is the reason (in my opinion ) why we have so many denominations and confusions today.

    Hebrews says: “Obey THOSE WHO RULE OVER YOU and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls.” (Hebrews 13:17). This is rubbish. No man watches over another man’s soul. Jesus is the only Shepherd and Bishop of our souls. (1 Peter 2:25 & Psalms 118: 8 & John 10 & John 14)

    Hebrews says: “It is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment.” (Hebrews 9:27). This is false. Some men, like Lazarus, die twice.



    The fact that HEBREWS is in the bible does NOT mean everything in it is true. In debate about SACRIFICES Christians put great reliance on the book of Hebrews. However, Hebrews is very unreliable. It is one of those books in the bible that is full of falsehood / Untruths.


    Doctoring the Scriptures

    Hebrews specialises in re-writing and falsifying the biblical record.
    David says: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire; MY EARS YOU HAVE OPENED.” (Psalm 40:6). This quote is changed in Hebrews to: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME.” (Hebrews 10:5). How can such blatant distortion still be construed as the word of God? Hebrews says: “It is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.” (Hebrews 10:4). This is pure fabrication. Ezekiel says: “The prince is to provide a bull as a sin offering for himself and for all the people of the land. Every day during the seven days of the Feast he is to provide seven bulls and seven rams without defect as a burnt offering to the LORD, and a male goat for a sin offering.” (Ezekiel 45:22-23). Therefore, the efficacy of the sacrifice of bulls for atonement is in the scriptures.

    Hebrews says the Law was given by angels. (Hebrews 2:2). This is false. Moses says God gave it to him. (Exodus 33:11). Hebrews says Jesus tasted death “for everybody.” (Hebrews 2:9). This is false. All men continue to die. Hebrews says Jesus was not perfect but was made perfect through sufferings. (Hebrews 2:10). This is false. Jesus was perfect: he did not become perfect. (1 Peter 2:22).

    The Book of Hebrews has many WEEDS planted by a servant of Satan! Those who continue to EAT of these WEEDS will be ragarded as Children of Satan! Please read Matt 13: 24-34






    In my next post I will put up a few errors in Hebrews.
    Last edited by DANNO; 01-25-18, 03:23 PM.
    Fear God and keep his commandments,
    for this is the duty of ALL mankind. Ecc 12: 13

  • #2
    The Book of Hebrews has many WEEDS planted by a servant of Satan! Those who continue to EAT of these WEEDS will be ragarded as Children of Satan! Please read Matt 13: 24-34 . Then read from verse 1-34 to get full understanding .

    The link below will expand / explain more on the WEEDS planted by Satan's servants.


    https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/th...-in-same-field


    Falsifying the New Covenant

    Hebrews says: “When there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.” (Hebrews 7:12). This is false. The new covenant does NOT imply a change of the law. God says: “I will put my law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.” (Jeremiah 31:33). It is a new covenant but the same old law. Moreover, the priesthood does not determine the law. Hebrews talks about a change of priesthood. But Moses talks about an everlasting priesthood. (Exodus 40:13-15). In truth, the priesthood does not change because Jesus is a descendant of Levi. Mary, Jesus’ mother, was a cousin to Elizabeth, who was “of the daughters of Aaron.” (Luke 1:5).

    Heb 8: 13 says the OLD COV is SOON to be ABOLISHED! Isaiah 24: 5 Says the OLD COV is EVERLASTING!
    God 's Covenant is PERFECT!
    Why was it NOT ABOLISHED WHEN YESHUA DIED If it NEEDED to be ABOLISHED????
    God began placing HIS laws in the hearts and Minds before Jesus died! HE continues to do so today!

    HEB 8: 13 is a FAT WEED

    Hebrews 8: 13 does NOT even say when the fake NEW COV WILL BE IMPLEMENTED!
    Last edited by DANNO; 01-25-18, 04:16 PM.
    Fear God and keep his commandments,
    for this is the duty of ALL mankind. Ecc 12: 13

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    • #3
      Notice both OT verses say ONLY the stone tablets were in the ARK.

      Hebrews 9:4New International Version (NIV)

      4 which had the golden altar of incense and the gold-covered ark of the covenant. This ark contained the gold jar of manna, Aaron’s staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant.

      ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~
      1Kings 8:9New International Version (NIV)

      9 There WAS NOTHING IN THE ARK EXCEPT THE TWO STONE TABLETS that Moses had placed in it at Horeb, where the Lord made a covenant with the Israelites after they came out of Egypt.
      -~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~===~


      Deuteronomy 10:3-5



      3 And I made an ark of shittim wood, and hewed two tables of stone like unto the first, and went up into the mount, having the two tables in mine hand.

      4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the Lord spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the Lord gave them unto me.

      5 And I turned myself and came down from the mount, and put the tables in the ark which I had made; and there they be, as the Lord commanded me.

      ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~==~=~==~=~~=~=~=~=~==~=~=~==~=~=~ =~~=
      ~=~=~=~=~=~==~=~=~=~==~=~=~=~==~=~=~=~=~==~=~=~==~ =~=~

      WHO HAS THE POWER OF DEATH? GOD OR SATAN? - HEB 2: 14 Says SATAN HAS!
      Moses says GOD has the power of DEATH!

      Hebrews 2:14New International Version (NIV)


      14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil—


      ~=~=~=~=~=~=~=~==~

      Deuteronomy 32:39New International Version (NIV)
      39 “See now that I myself am he!
      There is no god besides me.
      I put to death and I bring to life,
      I have wounded and I will heal,
      and no one can deliver out of my hand.

      ~~

      Job 1:21New International Version (NIV)

      21“Naked I came from my mother’s womb,
      and naked I will depart.[a]
      The Lord gave and the Lord has taken away;
      may the name of the Lord be praised.”



      Click here > https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/th...-in-same-field




      Last edited by DANNO; 01-25-18, 06:05 PM.
      Fear God and keep his commandments,
      for this is the duty of ALL mankind. Ecc 12: 13

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      • #4
        Originally posted by DANNO View Post
        Hi to all.

        You don't need to be reminded that the Book of HEBREWS is in the NT and the Author is UNKNOWN
        as are the gospels of Matthew....John and Mark...the RCC put names to those gospels
        The great majority of People believe Paul wrote it and also I believe Paul wrote it.
        But you believe that Paul is a deceiver also....


        This Book has Lots of ERRORS. The aim of this THREAD is to expose these errors for those who need to know that the book cannot be trusted. I am not forcing or asking anybody to reject the book . That is your own decision to test the writings in the book and to reject what you believe is NOT inspired by The Holy Spirit.
        should people believe that you are inspired by the holy spirit to write this thread or not inspired by the holy spirit but by your own understanding
        Chapter 13: 17 Tells the readers to TRUST mortal man concerning their soul and doctrine. This is a tool all pastors use to control their flock in all denominations! Psalms 118: 8 For- warns us to TRUST Only GOD! Some people here have different views and embrace Heb 13: 17 even though Psalms 118: 8 was pointed out to them. I REJECT Heb 13: 17 because it gives powers for pastors to teach different doctrines to their flock. This is the reason (in my opinion ) why we have so many denominations and confusions today.
        well if you understand John 21:15-17 Jesus asking Peter to feed his sheep...you should be aware that implies watching over and teaching those who would believe in Jesus.....don't you think that pastors have the same responsibility??? Or should pastors simply allow people to do as they want in the church???Your view that it gives pastors power to teach different doctrines is misleading....1Cor 1:10. ..testifies that Paul does not teach division in the church....
        Hebrews says: “Obey THOSE WHO RULE OVER YOU and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls.” (Hebrews 13:17). This is rubbish. No man watches over another man’s soul. Jesus is the only Shepherd and Bishop of our souls. (1 Peter 2:25 & Psalms 118: 8 & John 10 & John 14)
        James 5:20 clears this up somewhat...the context is not that one is the saviour of another man soul.....but that we are ou

        Hebrews says: “It is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment.” (Hebrews 9:27). This is false. Some men, like Lazarus, die twice.[/QUOTE] so you are saying that dying more than once is the natural order....which is the natural order for men to die....once or more than once??? Without the intervention of God....where are the men who died more than once....


        The fact that HEBREWS is in the bible does NOT mean everything in it is true. In debate about SACRIFICES Christians put great reliance on the book of Hebrews. However, Hebrews is very unreliable. It is one of those books in the bible that is full of falsehood / Untruths.
        that's your opinion anyone can have those they are free....

        Doctoring the Scriptures

        Hebrews specialises in re-writing and falsifying the biblical record.
        David says: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire; MY EARS YOU HAVE OPENED.” (Psalm 40:6). This quote is changed in Hebrews to: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME.” (Hebrews 10:5). How can such blatant distortion still be construed as the word of God?
        who has ears without a body????


        Hebrews says: “It is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.” (Hebrews 10:4). This is pure fabrication. Ezekiel says: “The prince is to provide a bull as a sin offering for himself and for all the people of the land. Every day during the seven days of the Feast he is to provide seven bulls and seven rams without defect as a burnt offering to the LORD, and a male goat for a sin offering.” (Ezekiel 45:22-23). Therefore, the efficacy of the sacrifice of bulls for atonement is in the scriptures.
        but where does it say that the blood of the bull takes away the sin....??? John 1:29....if the blood of bulls took away sin...when Jesus came there would not have been any sin to take away...so which is it...Jesus the lamb of God takes away the sin of the world or blood of bulls takes away the sin of the world???
        Hebrews says the Law was given by angels. (Hebrews 2:2). This is false. Moses says God gave it to him. (Exodus 33:11).
        no Danno it doesn't say that the law was given by angels....
        Hebrews says Jesus tasted death “for everybody.” (Hebrews 2:9). This is false. All men continue to die.
        so you are saying that Jesus did not die for anyone???because all die....So Jesus died for no one....is that what you are saying???

        Hebrews says Jesus was not perfect but was made perfect through sufferings. (Hebrews 2:10). This is false. Jesus was perfect: he did not become perfect. (1 Peter 2:22).
        Bro Hebrews does not say that Jesus was not perfect....neither does Peter say that he was perfect


        The Book of Hebrews has many WEEDS planted by a servant of Satan! Those who continue to EAT of these WEEDS will be ragarded as Children of Satan! Please read Matt 13: 24-34
        Bro this your post is the result of a reprobate mind



        In my next post I will put up a few errors in Hebrews.
        you have only pointed out your own errors bro

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        • #5
          mr NewBirth

          Will you be replying to posts 2 and 3 soon or will you be making a good excuse not to?

          Try to answer without making yourself look foolish. There's many Lurkers watching with interest.

          Does Paul say the Law of God was GIVEN through Angels below ? Yes or no?

          Galatians 3:19New International Version (NIV)
          19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seedto whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator.

          ~=~=~=~=~==~==~=~=~==~==~=~=~

          Does Moses say Angels gave him the commandments below. Yes or no?

          Deuteronomy 5:22New International Version (NIV)


          22 These are the commandments the Lord proclaimed in a loud voice to your whole assembly there on the mountain from out of the fire, the cloud and the deep darkness; and he added nothing more. Then he wrote them on two stone tablets and gave them to me.


          Mr NewBirth
          Would you have the courage to testify and say Gal 3: 19 and Heb 2: 2 were both inspired by The Holy Spirit/ God?
          Last edited by DANNO; 01-25-18, 09:02 PM.
          Fear God and keep his commandments,
          for this is the duty of ALL mankind. Ecc 12: 13

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by DANNO View Post
            The Book of Hebrews has many WEEDS planted by a servant of Satan! Those who continue to EAT of these WEEDS will be ragarded as Children of Satan! Please read Matt 13: 24-34 . Then read from verse 1-34 to get full understanding .
            from one with no understanding
            The link below will expand / explain more on the WEEDS planted by Satan's servants.
            by a reprobate mind
            Falsifying the New Covenant

            Hebrews says: “When there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.” (Hebrews 7:12). This is false. The new covenant does NOT imply a change of the law
            then it follows you are under the old laws....and therefore the same old covenant..



            God says: “I will put my law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.” (Jeremiah 31:33). It is a new covenant but the same old law[/QUOTE]no look at Matthew 5:21-48....Jesus quote the old laws then say....but I say unto you....and puts a different spin on the law...Jesus amended the old laws....so they are new laws....

            . Moreover, the priesthood does not determine the law.
            of course it does...Moses law was under the levitical priesthood....Jesus was not a Levite....He was from the tribe of Judah...Rev 5:5
            Hebrews talks about a change of priesthood. But Moses talks about an everlasting priesthood. (Exodus 40:13-15). In truth, the priesthood does not change because Jesus is a descendant of Levi. Mary, Jesus’ mother, was a cousin to Elizabeth, who was “of the daughters of Aaron.” (Luke 1:5).
            So now Rev 5:5 is a lie???

            Heb 8: 13 says the OLD COV is SOON to be ABOLISHED! Isaiah 24: 5 Says the OLD COV is EVERLASTING!
            bro Isaiah says the covenant is broken...what part of broken do you not understand???

            God 's Covenant is PERFECT!
            man is not
            Why was it NOT ABOLISHED WHEN YESHUA DIED If it NEEDED to be ABOLISHED????
            How long did it take for Moses to receive all of the old covenant???....just saying
            God began placing HIS laws in the hearts and Minds before Jesus died! HE continues to do so today!
            where does the scriptures say that????
            HEB 8: 13 is a FAT WEED

            Hebrews 8: 13 does NOT even say when the fake NEW COV WILL BE IMPLEMENTED!
            Because believers know they go into covenant with God when they repented and were baptized and receive the gift of the holy spirit.....that's the new covenant...

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            • #7
              Mr Newbirth

              Now give us your comments on post No 3 and No 5

              Thank you.
              Fear God and keep his commandments,
              for this is the duty of ALL mankind. Ecc 12: 13

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DANNO View Post
                Mr Newbirth

                Now give us your comments on post No 3 and No 5

                Thank you.
                Danno speaking to you is like speaking to a wall....you are reading translation that doesn't give you the true meaning....remember these are translations...Paul didn't write English...So it's easy to get errors like that...if you have a lexicon you will notice that hos. Have a number of meaning...none of them means.... in which.......you can't blame Paul for errors in translation..

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by newbirth View Post
                  Danno speaking to you is like speaking to a wall....you are reading translation that doesn't give you the true meaning....remember these are translations...Paul didn't write English...So it's easy to get errors like that...if you have a lexicon you will notice that hos. Have a number of meaning...none of them means.... in which.......you can't blame Paul for errors in translation..
                  Newbirth
                  So, you have decided to give a miss on Posts 3 & 5 ?
                  You stated some days ago that you REJECTED Matt 28: 19 because It was NOT signed by Matthew you also said the same on The BOOK of John !

                  Can you tell us why you are defending the Book of Hebrews that has NO Authors NAME or signature?

                  I hope you can come up with a brilliant convincing reason?.😀


                  To all who love the TRUTH. Click here > https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/th...-in-same-field
                  Last edited by DANNO; 01-25-18, 10:49 PM.
                  Fear God and keep his commandments,
                  for this is the duty of ALL mankind. Ecc 12: 13

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DANNO View Post
                    mr NewBirth

                    Will you be replying to posts 2 and 3 soon or will you be making a good excuse not to?

                    Try to answer without making yourself look foolish. There's many Lurkers watching with interest.

                    Does Paul say the Law of God was GIVEN through Angels below ? Yes or no?

                    Galatians 3:19New International Version (NIV)
                    19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seedto whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator.

                    ~=~=~=~=~==~==~=~=~==~==~=~=~

                    Does Moses say Angels gave him the commandments below. Yes or no?

                    Deuteronomy 5:22New International Version (NIV)


                    22 These are the commandments the Lord proclaimed in a loud voice to your whole assembly there on the mountain from out of the fire, the cloud and the deep darkness; and he added nothing more. Then he wrote them on two stone tablets and gave them to me.


                    Mr NewBirth
                    Would you have the courage to testify and say Gal 3: 19 and Heb 2: 2 were both inspired by The Holy Spirit/ God?
                    Mr Danno you would be encouraged to read judges 2:1....like I said it makes no sense talking to you....whatever you are looking for in the scriptures you will find it....and you can twist the scriptures to mean what you want...and just as Jesus said...you are straining at gnats while swallowing whole camels....

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by newbirth View Post

                      Mr Danno you would be encouraged to read judges 2:1....like I said it makes no sense talking to you....whatever you are looking for in the scriptures you will find it....and you can twist the scriptures to mean what you want...and just as Jesus said...you are straining at gnats while swallowing whole camels....
                      Mr Newbirth

                      Thank you for your contribution.

                      Tell the lurkers and the members why you REJECT the advice by JESUS on the GREAT COMMISION in MATT 28: 19 again please?

                      Some new lurkers and new members DONT know why you REJECT MATT 28: 19 plz tell us again?

                      BECAUSE IT MAKES NO SENSE AS TO WHY YOU REJECT THE GREAT COMMISION AND SPK NEGATIVELY ON THE BOOKS OF MATTHEW & JOHN.

                      Tell us also why It is you defend THE BOOK OF HEBREWS that is NOT signed by its Author and has NO NAME OF IT's AUTHOR ?

                      Tell us also why you have made those NEGATIVE COMMENTS on the books of Matthew and John when you SAID the AUTHORS DID NOT SIGN THEIR GOSPEL !!!


                      The Book of ACTS & Hebrews HAVE many WEEDS planted by a servant of Satan! Those who continue to EAT of these WEEDS will be decieved & regarded as Children of Satan. Please read Matt 13: 24-34 and links below.

                      https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/th...ook-of-hebrews

                      https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/th...-in-same-field
                      Fear God and keep his commandments,
                      for this is the duty of ALL mankind. Ecc 12: 13

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                      • #12
                        #35
                        01-26-18, 04:48 AM
                        Originally posted by DANNO View Post
                        Who deceived you to REJECT MATT 28: 19??
                        If Matthew signed his Gospel like Paul did. WOULD you then ACCEPT MATT 28: 19 Yes or no?

                        -~=~=~=~=~=

                        Reply by Mr NewBirth ( post 35 click on View post)

                        that's silly Matthew can't sign anything now....the fact that Matthew didn't sign it is proof that he didn't write it...do you know that Matthew isn't his name...???? Why would he write a name for himself that is not his name???Matthew 9:9....So Matthew who's name is not Matthew is writing ....Jesus met a man named Matthew.....that makes no sense...
                        Fear God and keep his commandments,
                        for this is the duty of ALL mankind. Ecc 12: 13

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DANNO View Post

                          Mr Newbirth

                          Thank you for your contribution.

                          Tell the lurkers and the members why you REJECT the advice by JESUS on the GREAT COMMISION in MATT 28: 19 again please?

                          Some new lurkers and new members DONT know why you REJECT MATT 28: 19 plz tell us again?

                          BECAUSE IT MAKES NO SENSE AS TO WHY YOU REJECT THE GREAT COMMISION AND SPK NEGATIVELY ON THE BOOKS OF MATTHEW & JOHN.

                          Tell us also why It is you defend THE BOOK OF HEBREWS that is NOT signed by its Author and has NO NAME OF IT's AUTHOR ?

                          Tell us also why you have made those NEGATIVE COMMENTS on the books of Matthew and John when you SAID the AUTHORS DID NOT SIGN THEIR GOSPEL !!!


                          The Book of ACTS & Hebrews HAVE many WEEDS planted by a servant of Satan! Those who continue to EAT of these WEEDS will be decieved & regarded as Children of Satan. Please read Matt 13: 24-34 and links below.

                          https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/th...ook-of-hebrews

                          https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/th...-in-same-field
                          Did you read Judges 2:1 ???? Respond to Judges 2:1
                          don't change the subject....

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by newbirth View Post

                            Did you read Judges 2:1 ???? Respond to Judges 2:1
                            don't change the subject....

                            Mr NewBirth

                            This SUBJECT and TOPIC is on the book of HEBREWS!! ( read the OP again)

                            By the way. The book of Judges is NOT signed by its AUTHOR and the Author is UNKNOWN ! So why WOULD you TRUST the Unsigned book and NOT TRUST the unsigned books of Matthew and John? ( in accordance to your wisdom)

                            i trust in the book of JUDGES!!!! Why do you?

                            If you wish to discuss the book of Judges and its Author please Open a new thread and I will be delighted to show you my knowledge and wisdom!
                            Last edited by DANNO; 01-26-18, 06:21 AM.
                            Fear God and keep his commandments,
                            for this is the duty of ALL mankind. Ecc 12: 13

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DANNO View Post


                              Mr NewBirth

                              This SUBJECT and TOPIC is on the book of HEBREWS!! ( read the OP again)
                              And you are using other scriptures to prove your point.....are you not????if it OKAY for you then it's OKAY for me also

                              By the way. The book of Judges is NOT signed by its AUTHOR and the Author is UNKNOWN ! So why WOULD you TRUST the Unsigned book and NOT TRUST the unsigned books of Matthew and John? ( in accordance to your wisdom)
                              Bro you are the one who reject Luke and Paul writing because you say that they are not apostles....the point I am making is if you cannot prove that the apostle Matthew wrote the gospel of Matthew then you have to reject it based on the same rules that you have rejected Luke and Paul's writings....plus I never said that I don't trust the gospel of Matthew....I just pointed out that the RCC added something that doesn't conform to sound doctrine....you accept it I don't....the same way I cannot accept that the holy spirit does not forgive.....that's judgment before it's time.....and not scriptural
                              i trust in the book of JUDGES!!!! Why do you?
                              If you trust the book of Judges 2:1 ...it says the angel of the Lord brought them out from Egypt and swore not to break his covenant with them...go read it....So Paul is not wrong if he is quoting judges....

                              If you wish to discuss the book of Judges and its Author please Open a new thread and I will be delighted to show you my knowledge and wisdom!
                              how can you show me something that you don't have????if you really want to show me something show me how you arrive at Matthew the apostle being the author of the gospel of Matthew...

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