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Protestants and Catholics share the same belief on the Incarnation: God with us.

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  • Originally posted by CrowCross View Post

    Jesus was never created....Jesus is God...God can't be created.
    Jesus was made.

    You don't agree that he was made as per the verses I posted?

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    • Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

      83.46 ἐπί: a position on a surface of an object, whether vertical or horizontal,
      and in contact with the object- ‘on, upon.’ [Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996)].


      Luke actually declares
      that there must have been an incarnation of the Holy Spirit,
      who had physical contact with Mary.

      No, he says the Holy Ghost, which is the Father, got Mary pregnant.

      Not incarnated or reincarnated.

      God did not make the 2nd person get in the womb of Mary and "take on a role as" human.

      God made a sperm cell to fertilize Mary's egg.

      Jesus was both the son of God AND the son of man....biologically.

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      • Originally posted by Truther View Post

        And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

        83.46 ἐπί: a position on a surface of an object, whether vertical or horizontal,
        and in contact with the object- ‘on, upon.’ [Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996)].


        Luke actually declares
        that there must have been an incarnation of the Holy Spirit,
        who had physical contact with Mary.


        Originally posted by Truther View Post

        No,
        Not interested in those who cannot support their opinions.

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        • Originally posted by Conqueror View Post
          83.46 ἐπί: a position on a surface of an object, whether vertical or horizontal,
          and in contact with the object- ‘on, upon.’ [Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996)].


          Luke actually declares
          that there must have been an incarnation of the Holy Spirit,
          who had physical contact with Mary.




          Not interested in those who cannot support their opinions.
          The Holy Ghost which is the Father, created a sperm cell in Mary.

          It fertilized her egg to make a baby.

          Plenty of contact there.

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          • Originally posted by Truther View Post

            No, Jesus was in the mind/will of God as eternal reality, but not in human time yet.

            That is why he is seen as a son of God in the O.T. before Mary.

            There is no eternal mother in heaven, to give us the O.T. son.

            There is NO Father or son without a mother.
            Jesus made human time.....Just for the record I consider Jesus and the Word the exact same individuals....second of the Trinity.

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            • Originally posted by Truther View Post

              The Holy Ghost which is the Father, created a sperm cell in Mary.

              It fertilized her egg to make a baby.

              Plenty of contact there.
              I can sort of agree with you here....the Holy Ghost created a sperm....BUT...we know the HG and the Father are both God...but different natures of God....as during the Baptism of Jesus...both the HS and the Father appeared or were heard as different persons.

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              • Originally posted by Truther View Post

                Jesus was made.

                You don't agree that he was made as per the verses I posted?
                The human nature of Jesus was made..as with any baby being formed in the womb. The Divinity of Christ always existed....and remained with Jesus during His incarnation as well as after His incarnation.

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                • Originally posted by Truther View Post

                  No, Jesus was in the mind/will of God as eternal reality, but not in human time yet.

                  That is why he is seen as a son of God in the O.T. before Mary.

                  There is no eternal mother in heaven, to give us the O.T. son.

                  There is NO Father or son without a mother.
                  Jesus appeared in the OT.....but didn't incarnate until the NT.

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                  • Originally posted by Truther View Post
                    The Catholics invented the idea of an incarnation of God and made it the official doctrine of their Church during the 5th century.

                    The Protestants never could shake their Catholic hook.

                    God was never incarnated, according to the Bible.

                    This "theology" was founded in commentary, and the final result is stripping the Lord Jesus, the last Adam, of his individuality.

                    The incarnation theory has nullified most of the actual words in the description of Jesus in the Bible.
                    No, truther. The incarnation was taught by the Apostle John and is written his gospel in the first chapter when he pens that Logos, which is God, became flesh.
                    Open Heart, who loves the Lord.

                    "Torah is not education, it's transformation." – Rebbitzen Dena Weinberg

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                    • Originally posted by Walpole View Post
                      In a thread I started a few days ago, Protestant posters did NOT express the same belief as the Catholic belief of the Incarnation. Many espoused quite radical views. For example, one poster claimed the Trinity became incarnate. Another claimed Jesus was already incarnate in heaven before being born of Mary.

                      I am trying to figure out if these radical beliefs espoused by Protestants here are outliers and specific to their particular sects, or if they are become mainstream throughout Protestantism.

                      I think that Protestant theology is still as orthodox as it has always been. However, the Protestant ethic of the Holy Spirit leading the individual to all truth has come home to roost, and more individuals have fallen into heresy despite their pastors teaching it well. I also think that the Protestants on this forum are unusual, even rejecting the Trinity--go figure. They complain about Catholics being outside Christianity, but it is they who reject basic orthodoxy. For example, it is because JW's reject the Trinity that they are considered non-Christians (which is not the same thing as saying they are going to hell). Now we are seeing a minority of sola scriptura Protestants who are no different.
                      Last edited by Open Heart; 05-15-18, 05:38 PM.
                      Open Heart, who loves the Lord.

                      "Torah is not education, it's transformation." – Rebbitzen Dena Weinberg

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                      • Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

                        John 1:14 the Word became flesh and dwelt among us
                        Hell has frozen over and we agree.
                        Open Heart, who loves the Lord.

                        "Torah is not education, it's transformation." – Rebbitzen Dena Weinberg

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                        • Originally posted by Doug View Post

                          Some Catholic theology is correct to fool others into accepting them.
                          Nice to see that you agree with us on this one.
                          Open Heart, who loves the Lord.

                          "Torah is not education, it's transformation." – Rebbitzen Dena Weinberg

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                          • Originally posted by Truther View Post

                            17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.



                            Jesus has a God.

                            This destroys the incarnation theory.

                            The incarnation teaches that Jesus is speaking "hypothetically" here.



                            Question, do you believe that the Lord Jesus Christ has a God, per this verse?
                            Consistent with Trinitarianism.
                            Open Heart, who loves the Lord.

                            "Torah is not education, it's transformation." – Rebbitzen Dena Weinberg

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                            • Originally posted by Truther View Post
                              Is Almighty God an actor that plays roles?

                              Do you know that actors are impersonators?

                              God is not a role player, pretending Himself, to be His son.
                              God playing roles is modalism. Rather, God the son became incarnate. That's not a role. That's the incarnation. Truly God, truly man.
                              Open Heart, who loves the Lord.

                              "Torah is not education, it's transformation." – Rebbitzen Dena Weinberg

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                              • Originally posted by Truther View Post


                                Not became flesh.

                                The version you used is a biased, modern, "incarnation" version.
                                No, the KJV says the word(spoken word) was MADE flesh.
                                LOGOS does not mean spoken word. Rather, John is clearly referring to Jesus. He is using the Stoic definition of Logos:
                                Stoic philosophy began with Zeno of Citium c. 300 BC, in which the logos was the active reason pervading and animating the Universe. It was conceived as material and is usually identified with God or Nature. ... The Stoics took all activity to imply a logos or spiritual principle.
                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logos

                                btw "became flesh" and "was made flesh" means the same thing. If you want to use "was made flesh" that's fine with me -- it's still the incarnation.
                                Last edited by Open Heart; 05-15-18, 06:05 PM.
                                Open Heart, who loves the Lord.

                                "Torah is not education, it's transformation." – Rebbitzen Dena Weinberg

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