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Protestants and Catholics share the same belief on the Incarnation: God with us.

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  • Originally posted by Truther View Post

    ...which Jesus is not.

    The description Jesus gave of God is that He is ONLY a Spirit.

    Per the OP, they claim God is 100% man, contrary to Jesus' description of God.

    Now, would you or the author of this OP tell Jesus that he must not forget that God is 100% man also, if you were there?
    Jesus was talking about GOD THE FATHER......being spirit. You separated the two verses and presented them out of context.

    The Word was once spirit....then the Word, who was God became flesh...

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    • Originally posted by CrowCross View Post

      Jesus was talking about GOD THE FATHER......being spirit. You separated the two verses and presented them out of context.

      The Word was once spirit....then the Word, who was God became flesh...
      I did not read all that in the passage.

      Funny thing.

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      • Originally posted by Truther View Post

        I did not read all that in the passage.

        Funny thing.
        So, you're saying verse 23 doesn't
        belong with verse 24?

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        • Originally posted by CrowCross View Post

          So, you're saying verse 23 doesn't
          belong with verse 24?
          No, verse 23 does not nullify verse 24.

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          • The incarnationist says God became a sperm cell to fertilize Mary's egg to "become flesh".

            Some incarnationists say that Mary was not his biological mother and no egg was involved, but Jesus was deposited as a God/fetus.


            I say Jesus was made God after he resurrected and God filled his glorified body with every bit of His Spirit being, per Col 2:9.

            I say he was still allowed to remain an individual after he resurrected, just as he was on earth.......and was born simply as the do-over for the 1st Adam,

            He is now made a quickening spirit(God) by the full indwelling of his God, bodily. .

            Any prayers or acts that God now answers or does, is THROUGH Jesus, his glorified son.

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            • Originally posted by Truther View Post

              I say Jesus was made God after he resurrected
              Are you impersonating a pope?
              The apostolic word of God by the Twelve is the highest written authority, for it binds and loosens (Mat 16-19).
              Then the foundational prophets - NO OTHER WORKS QUALIFY

              Get rid of the dross in the Roman Canon - Raise My Word to the HIGHEST place

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              • Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

                Are you impersonating a pope?
                LOL

                One pope is plenty.

                Just my thoughts.

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                • Originally posted by Truther View Post

                  I say Jesus was made God after he resurrected
                  Are you impersonating a pope?

                  Originally posted by Truther View Post


                  Just my thoughts.
                  Your thoughts are very similar to the invented theology of the papacy.


                  The apostolic word of God by the Twelve is the highest written authority, for it binds and loosens (Mat 16-19).
                  Then the foundational prophets - NO OTHER WORKS QUALIFY

                  Get rid of the dross in the Roman Canon - Raise My Word to the HIGHEST place

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                  • Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

                    Are you impersonating a pope?



                    Your thoughts are very similar to the invented theology of the papacy.

                    No, the Pope teaches your incarnation theory.

                    I am teaching reformed doctrine.

                    Incarnationists are still Catholic....the Pope's daughters.

                    Even oneness teaches incarnationism.

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                    • Originally posted by Truther View Post

                      Yeah, God's word is part of Himself.

                      God's words are the creative power of Himself, since He has no physical parts to make things.
                      Logos doesn't refer to God's spoken words. John is referring to the Stoic concept of Logos, the underlying unifying force of the universe.
                      Open Heart, who loves the Lord.

                      "Torah is not education, it's transformation." – Rebbitzen Dena Weinberg

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                      • Originally posted by Truther View Post

                        Right.

                        That might be the wife of God to an ancient trin, that needed a trio in the Godhead....Father/Son/H.G.(Mother).

                        Folks would be shocked to realize where trin originated with a little investigating.
                        The Trinity as a concept originates in the Scripture. The most obvious place is "Baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit."
                        Open Heart, who loves the Lord.

                        "Torah is not education, it's transformation." – Rebbitzen Dena Weinberg

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                        • Originally posted by Truther View Post
                          Okay, the 2nd person Fathered Himself with his flesh's mother.
                          No, no one teaches this, it doesn't make sense, and what's more, you know that no Trinitarian teaches it. I am not going to dignify your statement when any sort of lengthy response.
                          Open Heart, who loves the Lord.

                          "Torah is not education, it's transformation." – Rebbitzen Dena Weinberg

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                          • Originally posted by Truther View Post



                            Wait a minute. The Father was named "Hashem"?
                            Hashem is simply the Hebrew word meaning "the name." It is a respectful way among Jews to refer to God.
                            Open Heart, who loves the Lord.

                            "Torah is not education, it's transformation." – Rebbitzen Dena Weinberg

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                            • Originally posted by Truther View Post



                              Begotten means.....




                              be·get
                              bəˈɡet/
                              verb
                              literary
                              1. 1.
                                (typically of a man, sometimes of a man and a woman) bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction.


                              Therefore there has to be a mother out there in eternity somewhere for us to have an "eternally begotten son".
                              You forgot meaning number 2

                              The most basic meaning of beget is engender.
                              Open Heart, who loves the Lord.

                              "Torah is not education, it's transformation." – Rebbitzen Dena Weinberg

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                              • Originally posted by Truther View Post


                                Logos is God's spoken word.

                                God's spoken word was MADE flesh.

                                The Spirit God never became flesh.

                                The Spirit NEVER turned into flesh.

                                The Spirit is NOT flesh.

                                Jesus said....."God IS A Spirit....Him.....Him".

                                Believe him, okay?
                                It makes no sense to say spoken words are God.

                                John was using the Stoic understanding of Logos:

                                Stoic philosophy began with Zeno of Citium c. 300 BC, in which the logos was the active reason pervading and animating the Universe. It was conceived as material and is usually identified with God or Nature. ... The Stoics took all activity to imply a logos or spiritual principle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logos
                                Open Heart, who loves the Lord.

                                "Torah is not education, it's transformation." – Rebbitzen Dena Weinberg

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