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Protestants and Catholics share the same belief on the Incarnation: God with us.

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  • Originally posted by Truther View Post
    The incarnationist says God became a sperm cell to fertilize Mary's egg to "become flesh".

    Some incarnationists say that Mary was not his biological mother and no egg was involved, but Jesus was deposited as a God/fetus.


    I say Jesus was made God after he resurrected and God filled his glorified body with every bit of His Spirit being, per Col 2:9.

    I say he was still allowed to remain an individual after he resurrected, just as he was on earth.......and was born simply as the do-over for the 1st Adam,

    He is now made a quickening spirit(God) by the full indwelling of his God, bodily. .

    Any prayers or acts that God now answers or does, is THROUGH Jesus, his glorified son.
    This is an incorrect understanding of Christology. It wasn't the sperm cell that was God or wasn't God any more than the egg. The sperm cell was of course human sperm cell. But Jesus the person was God incarnate from the moment of conception, the word made flesh, fully and truly God as well as fully and truly man.
    Open Heart, who loves the Lord.

    "Torah is not education, it's transformation." – Rebbitzen Dena Weinberg

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    • Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

      Are you impersonating a pope?



      Your thoughts are very similar to the invented theology of the papacy.

      No pope has ever said what Truther is saying.

      Open Heart, who loves the Lord.

      "Torah is not education, it's transformation." – Rebbitzen Dena Weinberg

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      • Originally posted by Truther View Post

        No, the Pope teaches your incarnation theory.

        I am teaching reformed doctrine.

        Incarnationists are still Catholic....the Pope's daughters.

        Even oneness teaches incarnationism.
        Reformed doctrine doesn't teach your idea either. See the OP.
        Open Heart, who loves the Lord.

        "Torah is not education, it's transformation." – Rebbitzen Dena Weinberg

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        • Originally posted by Truther View Post


          I say Jesus was made God after he resurrected

          Originally posted by Open Heart View Post
          No pope has ever said what Truther is saying.
          Jesus cannot have been impeccable and God
          according to your theology,
          as he needed to learn obedience.


          though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience
          by the things which He suffered.
          And having been perfected,
          He became the author of eternal salvation
          (Heb 5:8--9).

          Truther is correct according to your theology,
          as Jesus became perfect after suffering on the cross to become God.






          No need for the two future prophets to correct the born-again, if they weren't intoxicated on the Roman harlotry of adding to the FOUNDATIONAL apostles and prophets.
          Get rid of the dross in the Roman Canon - Raise My Word to the HIGHEST place

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          • Originally posted by Truther View Post

            No, verse 23 does not nullify verse 24.
            Exactly...it doesn't nullify it..it completes it..saying The Father is Spirit. That verse isn't talking about the Son and what He is nor even the HS for that matter.

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            • Originally posted by Conqueror View Post


              Truther is correct according to your theology,
              as Jesus became perfect after suffering on the cross to become God.[/COLOR]




              This sounds much like Mormon theology where Jesus bacame God.

              What's up with that?

              Isaiah 43:10
              "You are My witnesses," declares the LORD, "And My servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and believe Me And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me.

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              • Originally posted by CrowCross View Post

                Exactly...it doesn't nullify it..it completes it..saying The Father is Spirit. That verse isn't talking about the Son and what He is nor even the HS for that matter.
                How in the world do you find 3 persons in John 4:24?

                Jesus said God is a....

                Not, They are a.....

                I sense a wee bit of presupposition.....

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                • Originally posted by Open Heart View Post

                  Reformed doctrine doesn't teach your idea either. See the OP.
                  No, I am he lone reformer vs all of them.

                  All incarnationists are the daughters of the Catholic church.

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                  • Originally posted by Open Heart View Post

                    This is an incorrect understanding of Christology. It wasn't the sperm cell that was God or wasn't God any more than the egg. The sperm cell was of course human sperm cell. But Jesus the person was God incarnate from the moment of conception, the word made flesh, fully and truly God as well as fully and truly man.
                    No, what was the very beginning of the "flesh of God?

                    I mean the minute he was found in the womb of Mary.

                    What was that thing?

                    Everyone loves to say "God became a man", but a man was not in Mary's womb.

                    It was not even a baby yet.

                    It was not even a fertilized egg yet.

                    It was something called a sperm cell, swimming in Mary to connect itself to an egg to make an embryo.

                    Incarnationists NEVER think of this aspect of their doctrine.

                    And just think.....I TAUGHT "God became a man" for decades, without every thinking of this, myself.

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                    • Originally posted by Open Heart View Post

                      It makes no sense to say spoken words are God.

                      John was using the Stoic understanding of Logos:

                      Stoic philosophy began with Zeno of Citium c. 300 BC, in which the logos was the active reason pervading and animating the Universe. It was conceived as material and is usually identified with God or Nature. ... The Stoics took all activity to imply a logos or spiritual principle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logos
                      ....."God's word debunked by commentary".

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                      • Originally posted by Open Heart View Post

                        You forgot meaning number 2

                        The most basic meaning of beget is engender.
                        When did Jesus get his gender?

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                        • Originally posted by Open Heart View Post

                          Hashem is simply the Hebrew word meaning "the name." It is a respectful way among Jews to refer to God.
                          I NEVER saw that in the Bible.

                          I betcha someone made that name up.

                          Folks are always renaming God these days.

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                          • Originally posted by Open Heart View Post

                            No, no one teaches this, it doesn't make sense, and what's more, you know that no Trinitarian teaches it. I am not going to dignify your statement when any sort of lengthy response.
                            No, they conceal it.

                            They say that the 2nd person became a man. They IGNORE how he did that.

                            Fact is, that means the 2nd person had to impregnate the mother of His humanity.

                            That means...God the Son is the Father of the son of God.

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                            • The Trinity as a concept originates in the Scripture. The most obvious place is "Baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit."


                              What is the name of those titles?

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                              • Logos doesn't refer to God's spoken words. John is referring to the Stoic concept of Logos, the underlying unifying force of the universe.


                                You mean this force?.....





                                3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

                                4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

                                5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

                                6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

                                7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

                                8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

                                9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

                                10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

                                11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

                                12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

                                13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

                                14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

                                15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

                                16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

                                17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

                                18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

                                19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

                                20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

                                21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

                                22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

                                23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

                                24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

                                25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

                                26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.






                                God's spoken word is the force that makes stuff.

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