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Protestants and Catholics share the same belief on the Incarnation: God with us.

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  • Originally posted by Truther View Post

    How in the world do you find 3 persons in John 4:24?

    Jesus said God is a....

    Not, They are a.....

    I sense a wee bit of presupposition.....
    I don't. I didn't even try to.

    That verse is describing the Father the first of the Godhead Trinity.

    Then I said...God the HS is also Spirit....ehich makes sense considering His name...Holy Spirit.

    Then there was the Word..The second of the Trinity..who was Spirit...who was God....and became flesh. Flesh is not a spirit. Keeping in mind Jesus had/has a spirit.

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    • Originally posted by Truther View Post




      You mean this force?.....





      3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

      4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

      5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

      6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

      7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

      8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

      9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

      10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

      11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

      12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

      13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

      14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

      15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

      16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

      17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

      18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

      19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

      20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

      21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

      22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

      23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

      24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

      25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

      26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.






      God's spoken word is the force that makes stuff.
      26And God said, Let .....US .....make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

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      • Originally posted by CrowCross View Post

        26And God said, Let .....US .....make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
        Awesome verse.

        The man, Christ Jesus was the physical pattern for Adam. He was there in the beginning. Christ was the body, soul and spirit pattern Adam was made with.

        He was even slain before Genesis.

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        • Originally posted by CrowCross View Post

          I don't. I didn't even try to.

          That verse is describing the Father the first of the Godhead Trinity.

          Then I said...God the HS is also Spirit....ehich makes sense considering His name...Holy Spirit.

          Then there was the Word..The second of the Trinity..who was Spirit...who was God....and became flesh. Flesh is not a spirit. Keeping in mind Jesus had/has a spirit.
          Right. God is the Father which is a Holy Spirit.

          Jesus described God as a Spirit.

          Jesus was not referring to himself at all in his description of what God is.

          Notice, he NEVER talks to or about "God the Son", as if the 2nd person never existed?

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          • Originally posted by Truther View Post

            Awesome verse.

            The man, Christ Jesus was the physical pattern for Adam. He was there in the beginning. Christ was the body, soul and spirit pattern Adam was made with.

            He was even slain before Genesis.
            I would love to see scripture supporting all of that theology.

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            • Originally posted by Truther View Post



              Jesus described God as a Spirit.

              In this instance God the Father as being Spirit.

              For some reason you want to seperate the verses.

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              • Originally posted by Truther View Post


                Jesus was not referring to himself at all in his description of what God is.

                Notice, he NEVER talks to or about "God the Son", as if the 2nd person never existed?
                To which i say...so what? It wasn't the topic.

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                • Question.

                  Was it the flesha God the Son that served humans?


                  Or, the son of man?

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                  • Originally posted by CrowCross View Post

                    In this instance God the Father as being Spirit.

                    For some reason you want to seperate the verses.
                    What else did he say or not say in John 4:24?

                    He was differentiating persons of God in John 4:24, or are trins differentiating them?

                    Just what if Jesus was not a believer in trinity, and he was stating God, his/our Father/God is Spirit?

                    Where did Jesus or his disciples describe the triune God that Catholics taught centuries later?

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                    • 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the 1ST PERSON in spirit and in truth: for the 1ST PERSON seeketh such to worship him.

                      24 THE 1ST PERSON is a Spirit: and they that worship THE 1ST PERSON must worship THE 1ST PERSON in spirit and in truth.



                      Really, Crow Cross?

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                      • Originally posted by Truther View Post
                        Question.

                        Was it the flesha God the Son that served humans?


                        Or, the son of man?
                        Yup. The flesh died on the cross.

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                        • Originally posted by Truther View Post

                          What else did he say or not say in John 4:24?

                          He was differentiating persons of God in John 4:24, or are trins differentiating them?

                          Just what if Jesus was not a believer in trinity, and he was stating God, his/our Father/God is Spirit?

                          Where did Jesus or his disciples describe the triune God that Catholics taught centuries later?
                          I'm kinda getting bored with this topic.

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                          • Originally posted by CrowCross View Post

                            Yup. The flesh died on the cross.
                            Did God the Son or the son of God die on the cross?

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                            • Originally posted by CrowCross View Post

                              I'm kinda getting bored with this topic.
                              I hope not.

                              I am trying to get you to understand how to read the Bible without presupposition.

                              Believe me, I was a big time reader and teacher of presupposition a few years ago.

                              Something started to smell fishy from the beginning, then I got used to the smell.

                              After stepping back from ministry awhile, my sense of smell returned and I realized I was teaching skunk doctrine of man's preconceived ideas.

                              Now, the Bible alone smells like a rose.

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                              • Originally posted by Truther View Post
                                The Catholics invented the idea of an incarnation of God and made it the official doctrine of their Church during the 5th century.
                                You fail to provide sound, documented evidence that proves your claim to be factually true.

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