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Protestants and Catholics share the same belief on the Incarnation: God with us.

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  • Protestants and Catholics share the same belief on the Incarnation: God with us.

    ALL OF THESE PROTESTANT RENDITIONS ARE GOOD SOUND CATHOLIC TEACHING. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT CATHOLICS BELIEVE ON THE INCARNATION READ ON:

    EVANGELICAL VIEWS:

    Matt Slick
    The term "incarnation" means "to become flesh." The incarnation is that event where the second person of the Trinity, the Word, became flesh and dwelt among us. John 1:1, "in the beginning was the word, the word was with God, and the word was God." John 1:14, "And the word became flesh and dwelt among us . . . " When the Word became flesh, he dwelt in the womb of Mary and was born as Jesus. Jesus is the incarnation of God. He is God in flesh. Col. 2:9 says, "for in him dwells all the fullness of deity in bodily form." https://carm.org/what-is-incarnation

    Christian Reseach Institute
    The Christian doctrine of the Incarnation teaches that the Eternal Word, the second person of the Trinity, without diminishing His deity took upon Himself a fully human nature. Specifically, this doctrine implies that a full and undiminished divine nature as well as a full and perfect human nature were united in the historical person of Jesus of Nazareth. According to the Bible, Jesus Christ is God the Son, in human flesh. http://www.equip.org/perspectives/th...-jesus-christ/

    Christianity Today
    In Christian theology the term refers to the supernatural act of God, effected by the Holy Spirit, whereby the eternal Son of God, the Second Person of the Triune Godhead, took into union with Himself a complete human nature apart from sin. As a result of that action, the Son of God became the God-man forever, the Word made flesh https://www.christianitytoday.com/ed...ristology.html



    BAPTIST VIEWS: (there are many kinds of baptist churches so here are several views):
    "As we celebrate Christmas, we focus on one of the most important Christian doctrines—the incarnation. Jesus was “Emanuel,” “God with us” ...The Bible’s affirmation that the body is not inherently evil is underscored powerfully in the incarnation when the Word (Jesus) “became flesh and dwelt among us”(John 1:14)." https://www.baptistmessenger.com/the...oes-it-matter/

    God does whatever He chooses. He uses whoever He wants to use. We are just tools in the carpenters hands. We are the reason for the season. We are the reason He came into the world for because of His love for us He came and served and loved and sacrificed and died and rose again. We are the reason for the season. http://stanleyvillebaptist.org/sermo...e-incarnation/

    The Son of God, the second Person in the Holy Trinity, being very and eternal God, the brightness of the Fathers glory, of one substance and equal with him: who made the World, who upholdeth and governeth all things he hath made: did when the fullness of time was come take unto him mans nature, with all the Essential properties, and common infirmities thereof, yet without sin: being conceived by the Holy Spirit in the Womb of the Virgin Mary, the Holy Spirit coming down upon her, and the power of the most High overshadowing her, and so was made of a Woman, of the Tribe of Judah, of the Seed of Abraham, and David according to the Scriptures: So that two whole, perfect, and distinct natures, were inseparably joined together in one Person: without conversion, composition, or confusion: which Person is very God, and very Man, yet one Christ, the only Mediator between God and Man. https://pastorhistorian.com/2016/12/...e-incarnation/

    METHODIST VIEW:

    We call this the Incarnation, meaning that God was in the world in the actual person of Jesus of Nazareth. http://www.umc.org/what-we-believe/o...an-roots-jesus

    IN THE SEASON OF ADVENT we are asked to prepare our hearts for the coming of Christ, for this manifestation of God in human form. http://clevelandumc.org/2016/12/incarnation-3/

    PRESBYTERIAN (CALVINIST) VIEW:

    Specifically, it refers to the entry of divinity into human form and life. From a Christian perspective, incarnation refers to the doctrine that the pre-existent Son of God (the second Person of the Trinity) became a human being in the person of Jesus of Nazareth...Because Jesus is both divine and human, we have confidence that God does not stand at a distance from us, but has entered into existence with us. http://richmondfpc.com/pages/about-u...ncarnation.php

    LUTHERAN VIEW:

    If justification is the article upon which the Church stands or falls, the incarnation, that God became man in the person of Jesus, is foundational. https://lutheranreformation.org/theo...e-incarnation/

    CALVARY CHAPEL:"

    "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us…” (John 1:14).
    Christmas is a celebration of God in His humanity.



    Open Heart, who loves the Lord.

    "Torah is not education, it's transformation." – Rebbitzen Dena Weinberg

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    A broken clock is has the right time twice a day.
    "Cults use Christian terminology, but redefine terms to suit their own belief and practices."-Dr. Walter Martin

    Catholicism's doctrines of demons:

    1TI 4:1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
    1TI 4:3 men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.

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    • #3
      The Catholics invented the idea of an incarnation of God and made it the official doctrine of their Church during the 5th century.

      The Protestants never could shake their Catholic hook.

      God was never incarnated, according to the Bible.

      This "theology" was founded in commentary, and the final result is stripping the Lord Jesus, the last Adam, of his individuality.

      The incarnation theory has nullified most of the actual words in the description of Jesus in the Bible.
      Last edited by Truther; 05-13-18, 10:55 AM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Open Heart View Post

        "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us…” (John 1:14).
        That succession of false apostles
        who teach about their false Christ say;

        ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ - THE TABERNACLES (Mat 24:26)

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        • #5
          In a thread I started a few days ago, Protestant posters did NOT express the same belief as the Catholic belief of the Incarnation. Many espoused quite radical views. For example, one poster claimed the Trinity became incarnate. Another claimed Jesus was already incarnate in heaven before being born of Mary.

          I am trying to figure out if these radical beliefs espoused by Protestants here are outliers and specific to their particular sects, or if they are become mainstream throughout Protestantism.


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          • #6
            Originally posted by Truther View Post
            The Catholics invented the idea of an incarnation of God and made it the official doctrine of their Church during the 5th century.

            The Protestants never could shake their Catholic hook.

            God was never incarnated, according to the Bible.

            This "theology" was founded in commentary, and the final result is stripping the Lord Jesus, the last Adam, of his individuality.

            The incarnation theory has nullified most of the actual words in the description of Jesus in the Bible.
            John 1:14 the Word became flesh and dwelt among us

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Walpole View Post
              In a thread I started a few days ago, Protestant posters did NOT express the same belief as the Catholic belief of the Incarnation. Many espoused quite radical views. For example, one poster claimed the Trinity became incarnate. Another claimed Jesus was already incarnate in heaven before being born of Mary.

              I am trying to figure out if these radical beliefs espoused by Protestants here are outliers and specific to their particular sects, or if they are become mainstream throughout Protestantism.

              Did you happen to see the post in the very thread, two posts above yours?

              Originally posted by Truther View Post
              The Catholics invented the idea of an incarnation of God and made it the official doctrine of their Church during the 5th century.

              The Protestants never could shake their Catholic hook.

              God was never incarnated, according to the Bible.

              This "theology" was founded in commentary, and the final result is stripping the Lord Jesus, the last Adam, of his individuality.

              The incarnation theory has nullified most of the actual words in the description of Jesus in the Bible.
              Christ is risen from the dead! By death He trampled death, and to those in the tombs, He granted life!. [source: Troparion of the Resurrection (Byzantine-Ruthenian usage)]

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

                John 1:14 the Word became flesh and dwelt among us
                How is it that a fellow Protestant claims that God was not incarnated, according to the Bible?
                Christ is risen from the dead! By death He trampled death, and to those in the tombs, He granted life!. [source: Troparion of the Resurrection (Byzantine-Ruthenian usage)]

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Curious Joe View Post

                  Did you happen to see the post in the very thread, two posts above yours?

                  No...I missed that one.


                  Most heresies stem from a lack of understanding of the incarnation.



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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Doug View Post
                    A broken clock is has the right time twice a day.
                    Is that your way of saying that the Incarnation is not part of your theology?
                    Christ is risen from the dead! By death He trampled death, and to those in the tombs, He granted life!. [source: Troparion of the Resurrection (Byzantine-Ruthenian usage)]

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Curious Joe View Post

                      Is that your way of saying that the Incarnation is not part of your theology?
                      Some Catholic theology is correct to fool others into accepting them.

                      "Cults use Christian terminology, but redefine terms to suit their own belief and practices."-Dr. Walter Martin

                      Catholicism's doctrines of demons:

                      1TI 4:1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
                      1TI 4:3 men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Curious Joe View Post

                        How is it that a fellow Protestant claims that God was not incarnated, according to the Bible?
                        Protestants follow that succession of false apostles
                        who teach about their false Christ say;

                        ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ - THE TABERNACLES (Mat 24:26).

                        Evangelicals are convinced
                        that they follow the scriptures but also do not,
                        but belong to Jesus as they are born-again.

                        Then there are many atheists and deceivers
                        who also pretend to be Christian
                        on the apologetics forums,
                        but who also visit the Catholic boards.


                        Unfortunately none are readily identifiable by labels,
                        so it requires listening and being grounded
                        in the word of God to spot them

                        Many Catholics are too self-absorbed
                        to listen and here only to pontificate.

                        It is like putting a shovel and a rake
                        in front of an Catholic Irishman
                        to confuse him by saying; 'take your pick'.









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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

                          Protestants follow that succession of false apostles
                          who teach about their false Christ say;

                          ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ - THE TABERNACLES (Mat 24:26).

                          Evangelicals are convinced
                          that they follow the scriptures but also do not,
                          but belong to Jesus as they are born-again.

                          Then there are many atheists and deceivers
                          who also pretend to be Christian
                          on the apologetics forums,
                          but who also visit the Catholic boards.


                          Unfortunately none are readily identifiable by labels,
                          so it requires listening and being grounded
                          in the word of God to spot them

                          Many Catholics are too self-absorbed
                          to listen and here only to pontificate.

                          It is like putting a shovel and a rake
                          in front of an Catholic Irishman
                          to confuse him by saying; 'take your pick'.

                          Fascinating "stream of consciousness" style commentary, but it really doesn't address the question. Are you suggesting this poster may not be professed Christian?
                          Christ is risen from the dead! By death He trampled death, and to those in the tombs, He granted life!. [source: Troparion of the Resurrection (Byzantine-Ruthenian usage)]

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Curious Joe View Post

                            Fascinating "stream of consciousness" style commentary, but it really doesn't address the question. Are you suggesting this poster may not be professed Christian?
                            Few find the way.

                            He may be just as deceived as RC
                            and just as convinced that his own opinion is the truth.

                            Dying to one's own opinion
                            to let God inform us is how to get to the truth.

                            But RCs prefer Frankie !!!!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Curious Joe View Post

                              Did you happen to see the post in the very thread, two posts above yours?
                              Yes, the incarnation idea is something I grew up with as a trin Catholic, was converted as a oneness Protestant and taught in public for decades.

                              I tossed it out a few years ago, because I noticed multiple verses saying Jesus has a God.

                              I noticed that Catholics, trin protestants and oneness, all taught the incarnation idea.

                              I backed off from church awhile, stopped to reread the works of John in particular, then noticed that my incarnation theory was unfounded and contrary to scripture.

                              It only works with commentary as a baseline, and presupposition as a "mind wall" for much of John's writings.

                              If we read the KJV literally, we see an individual man with a God, even AFTER he is in heaven.

                              In my opinion, Jesus has been misrepresented as a "flesha God", using a fake "100% God/human" ID.

                              So, every time it speaks of Jesus' God, the incarnationist does not allow it to be as written, but out comes the "explanation" to make it not so..
                              Last edited by CARM Admin; 05-16-18, 08:33 PM. Reason: alert/any poster may debate the RC's on RC forum but debates with other groups or Christians should take to APO forum

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