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    If God is the truth in reality and belief is the only way and means by which the truth and reality can be known to us, then believing the truth in reality is what makes God known to us and does represent the true worship of God.

    ye worship what ye have not known; we worship what we have known, because the salvation is of the Jews; but, there cometh an hour, and it now is, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also doth seek such to worship him; God [is] a Spirit, and those worshipping Him, in spirit and truth it doth behove to worship.' (John 4:22-24)

    What the enemy of your soul
    doesn't want you to know
    there’s nothing without yourself
    makes the truth unknown
    save willingness to receive
    truth made guilt conceive
    softens the heart; to impart
    the reality one believes.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Tercon View Post
    If God is the truth in reality and belief is the only way and means by which the truth and reality can be known to us, then believing the truth in reality is what makes God known to us and does represent the true worship of God.

    ye worship what ye have not known; we worship what we have known, because the salvation is of the Jews; but, there cometh an hour, and it now is, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also doth seek such to worship him; God [is] a Spirit, and those worshipping Him, in spirit and truth it doth behove to worship.' (John 4:22-24)
    He our God is the Truth. Believing in Him and Loving Him are not an either or type of dualism.

    He is Life. He is Truth. He is the Way.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by e v e View Post

      He our God is the Truth. Believing in Him and Loving Him are not an either or type of dualism.

      He is Life. He is Truth. He is the Way.
      Are you talking about Paul?

      You follow him,

      Are you talking about the Father of the Christ?

      They are the same to you, you must choose.

      Paul and the Father of Christ are the same to you

      Do you choose Paul or the Father of Christ?
      Pro 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by e v e View Post

        He our God is the Truth. Believing in Him and Loving Him are not an either or type of dualism.

        He is Life. He is Truth. He is the Way.
        There is no "dualism" in how and why the truth and God is known to us in reality, because the truth of how He is known in reality is the same reason why the truth and God is known to us in reality. In that, a belief in reality necessarily entails knowing the truth in reality. But a unbelief entails of an ignorance of the truth in reality, because one cannot disbelieve the truth and know the truth at the same time in reality. And since there is only one way of necessarily knowing Him and the truth in reality and that one way being a belief in reality, then there is no "dualism" in how and why the truth and God is known to us in reality, because in reality; God and truth are ONE and the same. Take note that belief, truth, logicality and reality itself are ONLY knowable in and by a believing mind, so all for of these things are the product of a believing mind.

        And it isn't incidental that belief is about the only thing that humanity does that God commends us for in the Scriptures.


        What the enemy of your soul
        doesn't want you to know
        there’s nothing without yourself
        makes the truth unknown
        save willingness to receive
        truth made guilt conceive
        softens the heart; to impart
        the reality one believes.

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        • #5
          what you describe is the Self (psuche).... not the Nephesh soul.

          The Self has nothing to do with God or Gods realm.




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          • #6
            Originally posted by Tercon View Post
            There is no "dualism" in how and why the truth and God is known to us in reality, because the truth of how He is known in reality is the same reason why the truth and God is known to us in reality. In that, a belief in reality necessarily entails knowing the truth in reality. But a unbelief entails of an ignorance of the truth in reality, because one cannot disbelieve the truth and know the truth at the same time in reality. And since there is only one way of necessarily knowing Him and the truth in reality and that one way being a belief in reality, then there is no "dualism" in how and why the truth and God is known to us in reality, because in reality; God and truth are ONE and the same. Take note that belief, truth, logicality and reality itself are ONLY knowable in and by a believing mind, so all for of these things are the product of a believing mind.

            And it isn't incidental that belief is about the only thing that humanity does that God commends us for in the Scriptures.

            Even the Devil believes in God, that doesn't mean one follows His ways. A belief can be anything. Living it as Jesus lived it is another matter
            The human side is to claim the promises of God. The divine side is to receive them.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by GaryMac View Post

              Even the Devil believes in God, that doesn't mean one follows His ways.
              Strawman, didn't say he did. Does the devil believe in God like Christ and believers believe in God?

              Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
              A belief can be anything. Living it as Jesus lived it is another matter
              No a belief can't "be anything", a belief in reality is a belief that is true in reality. And if you are referring to anything else other that truth, then you are not denoting the truth about what a belief is in reality.

              If god is just what one holds dearest and the devil holds himself dearest, then the devil believes he himself is god. The devil knows God exists, but he doesn't believe in God like Christ and a believer does in reality. In the same way that believers believe God is the truth in reality and this is how and why God is known to a believer. But unbelievers (including the devil) don't believe God is the truth or reality do they, but they still will insist that they believe the truth exists in reality. I think it would be helpful to point out here that belief, truth and reality are only knowable in one way and place, and that way and place is in and by a believing mind. So, to suggest that belief or a believing mind is not capable or less than adequate to make the reality of God knowable just isn't true in reality.
              Last edited by Tercon; 06-01-19, 10:15 AM.
              What the enemy of your soul
              doesn't want you to know
              there’s nothing without yourself
              makes the truth unknown
              save willingness to receive
              truth made guilt conceive
              softens the heart; to impart
              the reality one believes.

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by e v e View Post
                what you describe is the Self (psuche).... not the Nephesh soul.

                The Self has nothing to do with God or Gods realm.
                Strawman, but you have not said how or why you think what I said is "Self (psuche)", when you do that then you would have actually said something here of substance.

                However, I have described how and why the Spirit of truth is known to us in reality.

                Would you care to describe how and why God is known to you?
                What the enemy of your soul
                doesn't want you to know
                there’s nothing without yourself
                makes the truth unknown
                save willingness to receive
                truth made guilt conceive
                softens the heart; to impart
                the reality one believes.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tercon View Post

                  Strawman, didn't say he did. Does the devil believe in God like Christ and believers believe in God?



                  No a belief can't "be anything", a belief in reality is a belief that is true in reality. And if you are referring to anything else other that truth, then you are not denoting the truth about what a belief is in reality.

                  If god is just what one holds dearest and the devil holds himself dearest, then the devil believes he himself is god. The devil knows God exists, but he doesn't believe in God like Christ and a believer does in reality. In the same way that believers believe God is the truth in reality and this is how and why God is known to a believer. But unbelievers (including the devil) don't believe God is the truth or reality do they, but they still will insist that they believe the truth exists in reality. I think it would be helpful to point out here that belief, truth and reality are only knowable in one way and place, and that way and place is in and by a believing mind. So, to suggest that belief or a believing mind is not capable or less than adequate to make the reality of God knowable just isn't true in reality.
                  Well if one believes Christ is the devil then I suppose it is reality for that person. As I said one can believe anything. If one believes God is a man then that is his reality, if one believes that God is a Spirit then that is the reality of, if one believes there is no God then that is the reality of. Beliefs go on and on and on and on, that is why we have so many different beliefs systems, denominations. One of these denominations will say God is this, the one across the street says no you are wrong God is this, the one down the street says your both wrong this is who God is. Ask any of these if they have the truth and see what answer you get.

                  You say a belief cant be anything, then why do we have so much diversity about the Christ?

                  One can believe anything as truth. Awww but when one actually has from God that what Jesus had from Him then beliefs is out the window and it is who we become like Him, same mind, same Spirit, same thoughts, perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect. Belief is only speculation, reality is not a belief but the substance of.
                  The human side is to claim the promises of God. The divine side is to receive them.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                    Well if one believes Christ is the devil then I suppose it is reality for that person. As I said one can believe anything. If one believes God is a man then that is his reality, if one believes that God is a Spirit then that is the reality of, if one believes there is no God then that is the reality of. Beliefs go on and on and on and on, that is why we have so many different beliefs systems, denominations.
                    So you are suggesting then that belief is not capable of making the truth known to us in reality? But if belief is capable of making the truth known to us in reality, then everything you say here about belief is irrelevant, because belief still must occur in reality before the truth is known to us. What is so controversial about what I am saying here?

                    Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                    One of these denominations will say God is this, the one across the street says no you are wrong God is this, the one down the street says your both wrong this is who God is. Ask any of these if they have the truth and see what answer you get.
                    Irrelevant, because beliefs can still and does still make the truth known to us in reality.

                    Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                    You say a belief cant be anything, then why do we have so much diversity about the Christ?
                    Actually if someone is believing something about Christ that isn't true in reality, then in reality that someone is disbelieving the truth, in which case has nothing to do with a belief in reality at all. All ignorance of the truth in reality stems from an unbelief of the truth and not a belief at all.

                    Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                    One can believe anything as truth.
                    No you can't, where are you getting this nonsense from? Can you "believe anything as truth” in reality?

                    Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                    Awww but when one actually has from God that what Jesus had from Him then beliefs is out the window and it is who we become like Him, same mind, same Spirit, same thoughts, perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect. Belief is only speculation, reality is not a belief but the substance of.
                    How can we be like Christ without believing what Christ believes in reality Gary?

                    And just why do you think belief is irrelevant when belief must occur in reality before the truth is known to us in reality?

                    Do you realize that belief is about the only thing God commends humanity for in reality?

                    What the enemy of your soul
                    doesn't want you to know
                    there’s nothing without yourself
                    makes the truth unknown
                    save willingness to receive
                    truth made guilt conceive
                    softens the heart; to impart
                    the reality one believes.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      =Tercon;n5970064]

                      So you are suggesting then that belief is not capable of making the truth known to us in reality? But if belief is capable of making the truth known to us in reality, then everything you say here about belief is irrelevant, because belief still must occur in reality before the truth is known to us. What is so controversial about what I am saying here?
                      The only way one will know Gods truth is if He be in you and you be in Him as one, same mind, same walk as He walks, same light, same signs following, perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect. There is no other truth of God to be known least you are exactly like Him no different at all.

                      There is a very simple way to test the truth ... Compare yourself with the one God sent to show us His way for what we should be . If you are any different in any area form His example, then your truth has become your own doing and not His at all. And you know very well if you are like him or not.

                      Irrelevant, because beliefs can still and does still make the truth known to us in reality.
                      Again ... compare yourself with Gods messenger to be perfect even as your Father on heaven is perfect as His messenger commanded of you. That simple question of self will reveal the truth or not.

                      Actually if someone is believing something about Christ that isn't true in reality, then in reality that someone is disbelieving the truth, in which case has nothing to do with a belief in reality at all. All ignorance of the truth in reality stems from an unbelief of the truth and not a belief at all.
                      How can you know the truth of you are not like Him and be His temple, the place God resides, same Spirit be your own, same mind, same walk same light?

                      You cant assume yourself to be in a certain condition that you never have been in. Truth is who you are or are not like Him as Jesus was like Him and came to show us what that is to be with He in you and you in Him as one, John 17.

                      No you can't, where are you getting this nonsense from? Can you "believe anything as truth” in reality?
                      Same place Jesus got his information and was deemed as nonsense by the same who were without. To these he was a blasphemer the same way you accuse ome of.

                      How can we be like Christ without believing what Christ believes in reality Gary?
                      Christ is not a belief, Christ is Gods anointing, man anointed of God, Christ in you is Gods anointing in you, or is supposed to be in you. Christ is not a person, Christ is the disposition of the person who is anointed of God. You really do now lnow who Christ is do you !

                      And just why do you think belief is irrelevant when belief must occur in reality before the truth is known to us in reality?
                      Beliefs can be anything, even the Devil believes in God but opposes Him, which is common among religious folk who make their own laws to govern their beliefs. Truth come only one way and that is for Christ be in you, you anointed of God just as Jesus was anointed of God. Do you even know why God sent Jesus to show us what that is to be in Him and He in you?

                      Do you realize that belief is about the only thing God commends humanity for in reality?
                      Do you realize that having Christ as your own disposition is not a belief at all but who you become? Obviously you never have heard the message of the Christ. Jesus came to show you the way but because your beliefs vary form his way it is obvious your belief is your own doing. Whoever you are listening to who teaches contrary to that what Jesus said you would be if has duped you into believing their ways that is contrary to what Jesus Christ said you would be.

                      Jesus went as far to say that in that day ye shall ask me nothing but go to the Father for yourself and He will give it you. Obviously that has not happened in your understanding for who we become in Him as Jesus was in Him as God demands of us. Ask self ... are you perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect as He demands that you be? In that your answer is reveald about truths. Truth is -- either you are or you are not. and you know very well if you are of that truth.
                      The human side is to claim the promises of God. The divine side is to receive them.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                        The only way one will know Gods truth is if He be in you and you be in Him as one, same mind, same walk as He walks, same light, same signs following, perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect. There is no other truth of God to be known least you are exactly like Him no different at all.
                        Well it really would be a little hard to “know Gods truth” without believing that truth in reality wouldn't you say?

                        Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                        There is a very simple way to test the truth ... Compare yourself with the one God sent to show us His way for what we should be . If you are any different in any area form His example, then your truth has become your own doing and not His at all. And you know very well if you are like him or not.
                        If no-one could be like Christ or know Christ without believing as Christ believed in reality, then belief must be a fundamental part of knowing God wouldn't you say GaryMac?

                        Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                        Again ... compare yourself with Gods messenger to be perfect even as your Father on heaven is perfect as His messenger commanded of you. That simple question of self will reveal the truth or not.
                        If God's Spirit is the Spirit of truth and the only way and place that the truth can be known and known the exist is in and by a believing mind, then reality must be in God's believing mind. And if and ONLY if we too believe as Christ believed in the reality of God the Father, then would His reality too be known to us.

                        Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                        How can you know the truth of you are not like Him and be His temple, the place God resides, same Spirit be your own, same mind, same walk same light?
                        How can you be "like Him and be His temple, the place God resides” and “same Spirit be your own, same mind, same walk same light” without believing as He does?

                        Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                        You cant assume yourself to be in a certain condition that you never have been in. Truth is who you are or are not like Him as Jesus was like Him and came to show us what that is to be with He in you and you in Him as one, John 17.
                        If we believe as Christ believes, then that is the condition by which God's reality and Truth becomes known to us, this is the same way Christ knows the Father. It is through belief and believing as Christ believes that the reality of God is made known to us.

                        From John 17 (YLT): “because the sayings that Thou hast given to me, I have given to them, and they themselves received (and how did we receive? But through belief we received), and have known truly, that from Thee I came forth, and they did believe that Thou didst send me. sanctify them in Thy truth, Thy word is truth; and for them do I sanctify myself, that they also themselves may be sanctified in truth (then how are we sanctified in and by truth? In through believing that truth). that they all may be one, as Thou Father [art] in me, and I in Thee; that they also in us may be one, that the world may believe that Thou didst send me.”

                        And complicating and distorting the purpose of Christ, in His message being in how and why the truth is known to us in reality, in pretending that God is knowable in any other way than this is to cover up the truth and reality of God. When in reality all that is required of us is to believe as Christ believed in reality and Christ believed the Father is reality itself. And in believing as Christ does, we too get to participate and share in the reality of God. That's why a child can know God, because belief is the only thing needed to know the truth in the reality of God and even a child can do this. This begs the question, if even a child can know this, then how come and why don't you know this truth?

                        Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                        Same place Jesus got his information and was deemed as nonsense by the same who were without. To these he was a blasphemer the same way you accuse ome of.
                        Not true, Jesus didn't get his information from what he disbelieved to be true, but Jesus got His information from what He believed true in reality. And how can you be like Christ if you do not believe as he did in reality Gary?

                        Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                        Christ is not a belief, Christ is Gods anointing, man anointed of God, Christ in you is Gods anointing in you, or is supposed to be in you. Christ is not a person, Christ is the disposition of the person who is anointed of God. You really do now lnow who Christ is do you !
                        Strawman, as I didn't say Christ is a belief. But in reality it really would be quite impossible to know anything about God including his anointing and His disposition without first believing as Christ does in reality, wouldn't you say?

                        Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                        Beliefs can be anything, even the Devil believes in God but opposes Him, which is common among religious folk who make their own laws to govern their beliefs. Truth come only one way and that is for Christ be in you, you anointed of God just as Jesus was anointed of God. Do you even know why God sent Jesus to show us what that is to be in Him and He in you?
                        Gary do you believe as the “Devil believes in God” or do you believe as Christ is a believer in God the Father?

                        Actually I not only “know why God sent Jesus”, but I know how His Spirit is manifest in us and that is all made possible by believing as Christ believed in reality. And Christ believes God is one and the same with and in reality. What do you think God is, if you disbelieve God is reality itself Gary?

                        Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                        Do you realize that having Christ as your own disposition is not a belief at all but who you become?
                        Again, it would be impossible to become like Christ or possess His disposition without believing as He believes in reality.

                        Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                        Obviously you never have heard the message of the Christ.
                        Obviously untrue. And I heard people spew that brand hate of the truth in reality until the day God saved me from me and religious people like you. God saved me when He made me believe that the truth and reality exist in Him.

                        Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                        Jesus came to show you the way but because your beliefs vary form his way it is obvious your belief is your own doing. Whoever you are listening to who teaches contrary to that what Jesus said you would be if has duped you into believing their ways that is contrary to what Jesus Christ said you would be.
                        Strawman and projection, because you have not shown what I have said about how and why God is known to us in reality to be untrue. And neither have you shown how and why God is known to you, when you have rejected belief and believing as Christ does as the only way God is known to us in reality. And until you start believing as Christ believes, you are just spewing your own hate of the truth in reality.

                        Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                        Jesus went as far to say that in that day ye shall ask me nothing but go to the Father for yourself and He will give it you. Obviously that has not happened in your understanding for who we become in Him as Jesus was in Him as God demands of us. Ask self ... are you perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect as He demands that you be? In that your answer is reveald about truths. Truth is -- either you are or you are not. and you know very well if you are of that truth.
                        Sure it has happened in my understanding, because I am the one here who can show how and why God is known to me in reality. And you haven't, and nor can you show how and why God is known to you in YOUR lack of believing as Christ believed in reality. And that is quite apparent in your own words. And no-one including YOU can know the truth in reality, without first believing in reality. How can any truth get revealed to YOU without first believing in reality? Your knowledge of Christianity is illogical and does NOT represent the reality of God and how and why He is known to us.

                        Again, about the ONLY thing that God commends humanity for is OUR belief, because outside OUR belief and a believing mind the truth and reality are knowable to us.
                        What the enemy of your soul
                        doesn't want you to know
                        there’s nothing without yourself
                        makes the truth unknown
                        save willingness to receive
                        truth made guilt conceive
                        softens the heart; to impart
                        the reality one believes.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          QUOTE]=Tercon;n5971132]

                          Well it really would be a little hard to “know Gods truth” without believing that truth in reality wouldn't you say?[/QUOTE]

                          God be in you is a gift, not something we believe of Him, it is who we become like Him by the same Spirit be your own. It isn't a belief at all, it is God manifest in you.

                          If no-one could be like Christ or know Christ without believing as Christ believed in reality, then belief must be a fundamental part of knowing God wouldn't you say GaryMac?
                          Beliefs vary, Gods Spirit be in you doesn't vary. Either you are like him or you are not. You can believe that you are of Christ and be as opposite as one can be.

                          If God's Spirit is the Spirit of truth and the only way and place that the truth can be known and known the exist is in and by a believing mind, then reality must be in God's believing mind. And if and ONLY if we too believe as Christ believed in the reality of God the Father, then would His reality too be known to us.
                          Gods Spirit is no a belief at all. it is who we become with God manifest in you.

                          How can you be "like Him and be His temple, the place God resides” and “same Spirit be your own, same mind, same walk same light” without believing as He does?
                          By having His same Spirit mind walk light is God manifest, revealed. The reality of is you will be the same things He is. If you only believe that you are of Him something is missing in the reality of.

                          If we believe as Christ believes, then that is the condition by which God's reality and Truth becomes known to us, this is the same way Christ knows the Father. It is through belief and believing as Christ believes that the reality of God is made known to us.
                          If you have the same PSirit in you who was in Christ Jesus beliefs about it are by the wayside. Beliefs are of Lw, the reality ois God is He manifest in you which is not a belief but the way of His life in you. Seam mind, same walk, same light.

                          From John 17 (YLT): “because the sayings that Thou hast given to me, I have given to them, and they themselves received (and how did we receive? But through belief we received), and have known truly, that from Thee I came forth, and they did believe that Thou didst send me. sanctify them in Thy truth, Thy word is truth; and for them do I sanctify myself, that they also themselves may be sanctified in truth (then how are we sanctified in and by truth? In through believing that truth). that they all may be one, as Thou Father [art] in me, and I in Thee; that they also in us may be one, that the world may believe that Thou didst send me.”

                          And complicating and distorting the purpose of Christ, in His message being in how and why the truth is known to us in reality, in pretending that God is knowable in any other way than this is to cover up the truth and reality of God. When in reality all that is required of us is to believe as Christ believed in reality and Christ believed the Father is reality itself. And in believing as Christ does, we too get to participate and share in the reality of God. That's why a child can know God, because belief is the only thing needed to know the truth in the reality of God and even a child can do this. This begs the question, if even a child can know this, then how come and why don't you know this truth?
                          I live it just as Jesus lived it as we are supposed to. You don't know what that life is do you, to you it is a belief instead of the reality of. Beliefs are of law, God is of Spirit and the way.

                          Not true, Jesus didn't get his information from what he disbelieved to be true, but Jesus got His information from what He believed true in reality. And how can you be like Christ if you do not believe as he did in reality Gary?
                          Jesus got his information from the same place I get mine, from the Father of it.

                          Strawman, as I didn't say Christ is a belief. But in reality it really would be quite impossible to know anything about God including his anointing and His disposition without first believing as Christ does in reality, wouldn't you say?
                          One cant know God at all without His Spirit be your own no matter what you may believe of Him.

                          Gary do you believe as the “Devil believes in God” or do you believe as Christ is a believer in God the Father?
                          I and the Father are one, He in me and I in Him, we cannot be separated. Jesus did the same of the Father and in that all I can do is compare my life with the example God sent for me to follow and have my same being in Him that Jesus had in Him. If anything is different from who Jesus was in myself then a belief has taken over and led astray. .

                          Actually I not only “know why God sent Jesus”, but I know how His Spirit is manifest in us and that is all made possible by believing as Christ believed in reality. And Christ believes God is one and the same with and in reality. What do you think God is, if you disbelieve God is reality itself Gary?
                          Christ is not a belief, Christ is Gods anointing in man, man anointed of God, Gods anointed by His Spirit be your own. Christ is not a person Christ is the person who is anointed of God. Jesus was anointed of God.
                          Again, it would be impossible to become like Christ or possess His disposition without believing as He believes in reality.
                          One van believe anything about Him but the reality come when one actually becomes like Him by His same PSirit.

                          Obviously untrue. And I heard people spew that brand hate of the truth in reality until the day God saved me from me and religious people like you. God saved me when He made me believe that the truth and reality exist in Him.
                          The God of heaven didn't make you believe anything, the God of heaven opens all of His heaven to all who will receive Him and that is the choice we all make or not make.

                          Strawman and projection, because you have not shown what I have said about how and why God is known to us in reality to be untrue. And neither have you shown how and why God is known to you, when you have rejected belief and believing as Christ does as the only way God is known to us in reality. And until you start believing as Christ believes, you are just spewing your own hate of the truth in reality.
                          You just don't listen, God shows us His way only one way and that is by My Spirit says the Lord. there is no other way to know Him at all least He be in you and you in Him as one. Your beliefs has you in all kinds of directions.

                          Sure it has happened in my understanding, because I am the one here who can show how and why God is known to me in reality. And you haven't, and nor can you show how and why God is known to you in YOUR lack of believing as Christ believed in reality. And that is quite apparent in your own words. And no-one including YOU can know the truth in reality, without first believing in reality. How can any truth get revealed to YOU without first believing in reality? Your knowledge of Christianity is illogical and does NOT represent the reality of God and how and why He is known to us.
                          All that you have done is show your beliefs about Him. There is One that you do not know or you would be exactly like Him as Jesus was exactly like Him. but because you believ this and that something is missign in your testimony of who you believe that He is.
                          Again, about the ONLY thing that God commends humanity for is OUR belief, because outside OUR belief and a believing mind the truth and reality are knowable to us.
                          God is not a belief, God is the state of ones disposition. Your beliefs will not allow Him to be your own.
                          The human side is to claim the promises of God. The divine side is to receive them.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by GaryMac View Post

                            The only way one will know Gods truth is if He be in you and you be in Him as one, same mind, same walk as He walks, same light, same signs following, perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect. There is no other truth of God to be known least you are exactly like Him no different at all.

                            There is a very simple way to test the truth ... Compare yourself with the one God sent to show us His way for what we should be . If you are any different in any area form His example, then your truth has become your own doing and not His at all. And you know very well if you are like him or not.

                            We got it God was Sent to YOU, to make you Perfect.

                            Who sent God to you, was it yourself?

                            Who SENT GOD to you?

                            You say God was SENT.
                            Pro 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                              God be in you is a gift, not something we believe of Him, it is who we become like Him by the same Spirit be your own. It isn't a belief at all, it is God manifest in you.
                              Little hard to know God is in you without believing and knowing anything about God silly. And the spirit that is being referred to and denoted in the Bible is the Spirit of truth and the truth can only be known and manifested in you by a belief in reality. Do you think that the Spirit of God floats around in the air like some kind of voodoo nonsense?

                              Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                              Beliefs vary, Gods Spirit be in you doesn't vary. Either you are like him or you are not. You can believe that you are of Christ and be as opposite as one can be.
                              Strawman and beliefs in reality do not vary. And if one believes like Christ believes, then they are a followers of Christ and the Spirit of truth indwells them in reality. I don't need your voodoo.

                              Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                              Gods Spirit is no a belief at all. it is who we become with God manifest in you.
                              Again, the Spirit that is being referred to and denoted in the Bible is the Spirit of truth, and no-one including you can know the truth without a belief in reality.

                              Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                              By having His same Spirit mind walk light is God manifest, revealed. The reality of is you will be the same things He is. If you only believe that you are of Him something is missing in the reality of.If you have the same PSirit in you who was in Christ Jesus beliefs about it are by the wayside. Beliefs are of Lw, the reality ois God is He manifest in you which is not a belief but the way of His life in you. Seam mind, same walk, same light.
                              More voodoo. The Christian faith is contingent on believing the truth in reality.

                              Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                              I live it just as Jesus lived it as we are supposed to. You don't know what that life is do you, to you it is a belief instead of the reality of. Beliefs are of law, God is of Spirit and the way.
                              Actually it is you who does not live like and believe as Christ lives. And I can prove it, because you cannot show how you know God in reality without belief or outside of a believing mind. But I can show how and why God and His Spirit of truth is known to me in reality, it is known to me because I believe it in reality and as Christ believed in reality. And it is my belief that makes that possible in reality. Now explain how you know it, outside and without belief silly.

                              Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                              Jesus got his information from the same place I get mine, from the Father of it.
                              I get his information by the same way and means Jesus did from the Father, Christ believed the Father in reality the same way I do. Now you show how you know this in reality outside of belief and a believing mind?

                              Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                              One cant know God at all without His Spirit be your own no matter what you may believe of Him.
                              If His Spirit is the Spirit of truth and truth can only be known in reality with and through a belief in reality it can. Like I said, you cannot even give account of how and why the truth is known to you without a belief in reality.
                              Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                              I and the Father are one, He in me and I in Him, we cannot be separated. Jesus did the same of the Father and in that all I can do is compare my life with the example God sent for me to follow and have my same being in Him that Jesus had in Him. If anything is different from who Jesus was in myself then a belief has taken over and led astray. .
                              Actually your problem unbelief and you do not know how to reason properly, as if you know something that isn't true in reality, then your problem isn't a belief, but your problem is an unbelief of the truth in reality instead.

                              Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                              One van believe anything about Him but the reality come when one actually becomes like Him by His same Psirit.
                              It is impossible to become like Christ without believing as Christ believed in reality.

                              Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                              The God of heaven didn't make you believe anything, the God of heaven opens all of His heaven to all who will receive Him and that is the choice we all make or not make.
                              You cannot receive it without believing it Gary, as that is how and why it is received in reality, it is because it is believed in reality. Understand?

                              Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                              You just don't listen, God shows us His way only one way and that is by My Spirit says the Lord. there is no other way to know Him at all least He be in you and you in Him as one. Your beliefs has you in all kinds of directions.
                              Strawman and projection, because belief is necessary in order to make the truth known in reality. And if the only way and means that we have to know the truth and the Spirit of truth in reality is a belief, then in reality we know the Spirit of truth in and with our belief. Now, if what you are saying is true, then show me how you know the truth is known to you outside and without a belief in reality Gary.

                              Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                              All that you have done is show your beliefs about Him. There is One that you do not know or you would be exactly like Him as Jesus was exactly like Him. but because you believ this and that something is missign in your testimony of who you believe that He is.
                              Like I said, I can give an account of how and why the truth about God is known to me in reality and you cannot.

                              Originally posted by GaryMac View Post
                              God is not a belief, God is the state of ones disposition. Your beliefs will not allow Him to be your own.
                              You are trying to bluff your way into the presence of God without belief in reality Gary, and it doesn't work. If you think you can know the God of truth and reality without belief, then you are delusional.

                              What the enemy of your soul
                              doesn't want you to know
                              there’s nothing without yourself
                              makes the truth unknown
                              save willingness to receive
                              truth made guilt conceive
                              softens the heart; to impart
                              the reality one believes.

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