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Did Jesus commit sins unknowingly?

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  • Did Jesus commit sins unknowingly?

    The NT states openly that Jesus' knowledge was limited, Mat 6:4,6,18.

    The NT also states that Jesus was also tempted in all ways as well are, yet did not sin. He did not "know" sin, Heb 4:15, 2 Cor 5:21.

    Knowing means having knowledge of and willfully sinning.

    But, the Tanakh speaks of sins that are done unknowingly, without knowledge, and intent to sin, but is still sin.

    There are sacrifices required for committing sins unknowingly, Leviticus 4:27-35, 5:4-13.

    I believe Jesus sinned unknowingly when he drank at the cross the vinegar/wine, even though he vowed to abstain from it until coming into his kingdom, Deut 23:21-23. Surely he vowed with the words that came from his lips at Mark 14:25, Mat 26:29, Like 22:18, then broke the vow at Mat 27:34, John 19:29-30. If he was God, he should have known not to drink and break his vow. Let your yes be yes, and your no, no.

    Your thoughts?
    Last edited by Gumby; 05-31-19, 07:17 AM.
    Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself. Leo Tolstoy

  • #2
    Originally posted by Gumby View Post
    The NT states openly that Jesus' knowledge was limited, Mat 6:4,6,18.
    yep that's why Jesus is not God....o
    The NT also states that Jesus was also tempted in all ways as well are, yet did not sin. He did not "know" sin, Heb 4:15, 2 Cor 5:21.
    clearly he didn't sin.... and your argument is silly did not know sin does not mean that you didn't know that you sinned...it means that you are not known to have sinned....or no one have accused you of sin...
    Knowing means having knowledge of and willfully sinning.
    so??? What does that have to do with Jesus not knowing sin???If he had sinned unknowingly someone would have pointed it out... and then he would have known...
    But, the Tanakh speaks of sins that are done unknowingly, without knowledge, and intent to sin, but is still sin.
    Yep but the NT does not show that is the case with Jesus... It says yet did not sin ... Which would cover knowing and unknowing sins...

    There are sacrifices required for committing sins unknowingly, Leviticus 4:27-35, 5:4-13.
    yep... which is done when you find out that you had sinned unknowingly.... not when you did not sin...

    I believe Jesus sinned unknowingly when he drank at the cross the vinegar/wine, even though he vowed to abstain from it until coming into his kingdom, Deut 23:21-23.
    So which is the sin??? drinking vinegar...??? Show the scripture saying that drinking vinegar involuntary is a sin....Or is breaking a vow not to drink vinegar the sin??? Please show me the scripture where Jesus made a vow not to drink vinegar...
    Surely he vowed with the words that came from his lips at Mark 14:25, Mat 26:29, Like 22:18, then broke the vow at Mat 27:34, John 19:29-30.
    nope he didn't make a vow not to drink vinegar... He was not drinking vinegar at the last supper with his disciples...

    If he was God, he should have known not to drink and break his vow. Let your yes be yes, and your no, no.
    Jesus never said that he was God.. Jesus testified that he was the son of God .... The NT recorded that a voice came from heaven saying this is my beloved son...

    Your thoughts?
    Same as before... you have no understanding

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    • #3
      Originally posted by newbirth View Post

      Same as before... you have no understanding
      Those who refuse to accept Jesus as their savior/messiah have to twist Scripture to justify themselves.
      Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

      Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Gumby View Post
        The NT states openly that Jesus' knowledge was limited, Mat 6:4,6,18.

        The NT also states that Jesus was also tempted in all ways as well are, yet did not sin. He did not "know" sin, Heb 4:15, 2 Cor 5:21.

        Knowing means having knowledge of and willfully sinning.

        But, the Tanakh speaks of sins that are done unknowingly, without knowledge, and intent to sin, but is still sin.

        There are sacrifices required for committing sins unknowingly, Leviticus 4:27-35, 5:4-13.

        I believe Jesus sinned unknowingly when he drank at the cross the vinegar/wine, even though he vowed to abstain from it until coming into his kingdom, Deut 23:21-23. Surely he vowed with the words that came from his lips at Mark 14:25, Mat 26:29, Like 22:18, then broke the vow at Mat 27:34, John 19:29-30. If he was God, he should have known not to drink and break his vow. Let your yes be yes, and your no, no.

        Your thoughts?
        PSST!! Read your "Proof text" again.

        Bottom line - Jesus was resurrected by God. This constitutes positive proof that Jesus' sacrifice was acceptable, and that He was qualified to make it which, if he had SIN on him would not have been true.

        Creative fantasy though.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by newbirth View Post
          yep that's why Jesus is not God....o
          clearly he didn't sin.... and your argument is silly did not know sin does not mean that you didn't know that you sinned...it means that you are not known to have sinned....or no one have accused you of sin...
          so??? What does that have to do with Jesus not knowing sin???If he had sinned unknowingly someone would have pointed it out... and then he would have known...

          Yep but the NT does not show that is the case with Jesus... It says yet did not sin ... Which would cover knowing and unknowing sins...

          yep... which is done when you find out that you had sinned unknowingly.... not when you did not sin...

          So which is the sin??? drinking vinegar...??? Show the scripture saying that drinking vinegar involuntary is a sin....Or is breaking a vow not to drink vinegar the sin??? Please show me the scripture where Jesus made a vow not to drink vinegar...
          nope he didn't make a vow not to drink vinegar... He was not drinking vinegar at the last supper with his disciples...

          Jesus never said that he was God.. Jesus testified that he was the son of God .... The NT recorded that a voice came from heaven saying this is my beloved son...

          Same as before... you have no understanding
          With his lips, he spoke a vow, then broke it. Vinegar is a product of wine, fermented wine.
          Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself. Leo Tolstoy

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

            PSST!! Read your "Proof text" again.

            Bottom line - Jesus was resurrected by God. This constitutes positive proof that Jesus' sacrifice was acceptable, and that He was qualified to make it which, if he had SIN on him would not have been true.

            Creative fantasy though.
            Stick to the OP.
            Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself. Leo Tolstoy

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            • #7
              Originally posted by AlFin View Post

              Those who refuse to accept Jesus as their savior/messiah have to twist Scripture to justify themselves.
              What's twisted?
              Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself. Leo Tolstoy

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Gumby View Post
                Stick to the OP.
                I did. You've got nothing.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

                  I did. You've got nothing.
                  Hardly, Bob. Jesus didn't keep his word. That's the point.
                  Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself. Leo Tolstoy

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gumby View Post
                    With his lips, he spoke a vow, then broke it. Vinegar is a product of wine, fermented wine.
                    Show me the vow where he said that he would not drink vinegar forced down his throat...Did he ask for wine???
                    You are not thinking your nonsense through...did David sin when he ate the shewbread???
                    3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;

                    4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?

                    5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
                    --------++_-++++
                    5 And David answered the priest, and said unto him, Of a truth women have been kept from us about these three days, since I came out, and the vessels of the young men are holy, and the bread is in a manner common, yea, though it were sanctified this day in the vessel.

                    6 So the priest gave him hallowed bread: for there was no bread there but the shewbread, that was taken from before the Lord, to put hot bread in the day when it was taken away.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Gumby View Post
                      Hardly, Bob. Jesus didn't keep his word. That's the point.
                      What word Gumby....if you sent your son to buy wine for supper and he brought back vinegar would you drink it...???

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by newbirth View Post
                        Show me the vow where he said that he would not drink vinegar forced down his throat...Did he ask for wine???
                        You are not thinking your nonsense through...did David sin when he ate the shewbread???
                        3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;

                        4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?

                        5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
                        --------++_-++++
                        5 And David answered the priest, and said unto him, Of a truth women have been kept from us about these three days, since I came out, and the vessels of the young men are holy, and the bread is in a manner common, yea, though it were sanctified this day in the vessel.

                        6 So the priest gave him hallowed bread: for there was no bread there but the shewbread, that was taken from before the Lord, to put hot bread in the day when it was taken away.
                        Show me where vinegar was forced down his throat?

                        Deut 23:23, Numbers 30:2

                        He made a vow, and broke it.
                        Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself. Leo Tolstoy

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by newbirth View Post
                          What word Gumby....if you sent your son to buy wine for supper and he brought back vinegar would you drink it...???
                          Vinegar is wine fermented. Jesus broke his vow.

                          Do you understand the association with hyssop and that it was used for Jesus' drink? https://biblehub.net/search.php?q=Hyssop
                          Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself. Leo Tolstoy

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Gumby View Post
                            Hardly, Bob. Jesus didn't keep his word. That's the point.
                            SO you have no point at all.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Gumby View Post
                              Vinegar is wine fermented. Jesus broke his vow.
                              nope vinegar is not fermented wine... vinegar is made from fermented fruit... wine is made from fermented fruit... but vinegar is not wine...
                              Bread is made from flour.. cake is made from flour... cake is not bread
                              Do you understand the association with hyssop and that it was used for Jesus' drink? https://biblehub.net/search.php?q=Hyssop
                              What does it matter... Jesus didn't ask for it.... that is like saying if you give someone poison to drink and they unknowingly drink the poison they committed suicide...

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