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  • Does an individual have any choice of whether they go to heaven or hell?

    Again, does an individual have any choice of whether they go to heaven or hell?

    Bring together all who wander from the feast you consecrate,
    and restore that grace we squander with divisions we create.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Kat4life View Post
    Again, does an individual have any choice of whether they go to heaven or hell?
    Everything about God is in your hands. Heaven and hell is not a place one goes to it is the state of ones being. But not many believe Jesus in Luke 17:20-21 where he was very clear that the kingdom of God does not come with observation but is within you. Not many take him to heart to understand where heaven and hell really is. They look for a place outside of them instead of live it.

    Either Christ be in , anointed of God, or you are not, and that is your choice not Gods for He already has spelled out His desire who you be in Him. He in you and you in Him as one, John 17. .
    The human side is to claim the promises of God. The divine side is to receive them.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Kat4life View Post
      Again, does an individual have any choice of whether they go to heaven or hell?
      Yes. Thank God he is not a Spiritual Nazi Racist. Who confers a HOLY SKIN some and DAMNABLE SKIN to the rest. at the FOUNDATION of the world.

      Thank God he is not a angry chimp pagan monster who is so ticked off at you and unforgiving of it he has to torture a innocent person to get his SADISTIC pleasure.

      Thank God he is EASILY IDENTIFIABLE GOOD, Not some EVIL MEGALOMANIAC TYRANT who ordains the rape of children "For his Glory".

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      • #4
        Originally posted by GaryMac View Post

        Everything about God is in your hands. Heaven and hell is not a place one goes to it is the state of ones being. But not many believe Jesus in Luke 17:20-21 where he was very clear that the kingdom of God does not come with observation but is within you. Not many take him to heart to understand where heaven and hell really is. They look for a place outside of them instead of live it.

        Either Christ be in , anointed of God, or you are not, and that is your choice not Gods for He already has spelled out His desire who you be in Him. He in you and you in Him as one, John 17. .
        Can God leave you if you've been abiding together? Do we have free will after salvation?
        Bring together all who wander from the feast you consecrate,
        and restore that grace we squander with divisions we create.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Kat4life View Post
          Again, does an individual have any choice of whether they go to heaven or hell?
          Can one choose heaven without grace?

          If he had meant to cast you away he would have done so long ago. If he wanted reasons for rejecting you he had reasons from all eternity, for he knew what you would be. No sin in you has been a surprise to him. C.H. Spurgeon

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Kat4life View Post

            Can God leave you if you've been abiding together?
            why would He leave you if you are abiding together?

            Originally posted by Kat4life
            Do we have free will after salvation?
            Do you have it before salvation?

            If he had meant to cast you away he would have done so long ago. If he wanted reasons for rejecting you he had reasons from all eternity, for he knew what you would be. No sin in you has been a surprise to him. C.H. Spurgeon

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Kat4life View Post

              Can God leave you if you've been abiding together?
              Before I can answer that question you need to explain what you mean by "abiding together."

              Do we have free will after salvation?
              Of course. We always have had, and will continue to have, free will.
              Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

              Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Kat4life View Post
                Again, does an individual have any choice of whether they go to heaven or hell?
                n>Not according to the millions in the following denominations and groups who still believe and preach Unconditional Election (my highlight addressing your question):

                “Unconditional Election” as typically taught by teachings such as that of the Westminster Confession of Faith, Chapter 3. “Of God's Eternal Decree” Available Online.
                1. God from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass: yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin, nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures; nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established. 2. Although God knows whatsoever may or can come to pass upon all supposed conditions, yet hath he not decreed anything because he foresaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions. 3. By the decree of God, for the manifestation of his glory, some men and angels are predestinated unto everlasting life; and others foreordained to everlasting death. 4. These angels and men, thus predestinated, and foreordained, are particularly and unchangeably designed, and their number so certain and definite, that it cannot be either increased or diminished. 5. Those of mankind that are predestinated unto life, God, before the foundation of the world was laid, according to his eternal and immutable purpose, and the secret counsel and good pleasure of his will, hath chosen, in Christ, unto everlasting glory, out of his mere free grace and love, without any foresight of faith, or good works, or perseverance in either of them, or any other thing in the creature, as conditions, or causes moving him thereunto: and all to the praise of his glorious grace. 6. As God hath appointed the elect unto glory, so hath he, by the eternal and most free purpose of his will, foreordained all the means thereunto. Wherefore, they who are elected, being fallen in Adam, are redeemed by Christ, are effectually called unto faith in Christ by his Spirit working in due season, are justified, adopted, sanctified, and kept by his power, through faith, unto salvation. Neither are any other redeemed by Christ, effectually called, justified, adopted, sanctified, and saved, but the elect only. 7. The rest of mankind God was pleased, according to the unsearchable counsel of his own will, whereby he extendeth or witholdeth mercy, as he pleaseth, for the glory of his sovereign power over his creatures, to pass by; and to ordain them to dishonour and wrath for their sin, to the praise of his glorious justice. 8. The doctrine of this high mystery of predestination is to be handled with special prudence and care, that men, attending the will of God revealed in his Word, and yielding obedience thereunto, may, from the certainty of their effectual vocation, be assured of their eternal election. So shall this doctrine afford matter of praise, reverence, and admiration of God; and of humility, diligence, and abundant consolation to all that sincerely obey the gospel.
                ..
                Westminster Confession of Faith – denominations and churches that agree with it..
                From about.com religion: “Presbyterian churches or Reformed churches make up one of the largest branches of Protestant Christianity today with a worldwide membership of about 75 million… Sacred or Distinguishing Text:The Bible, the Second Helvetic Confession, the Heidelberg Catechism, and the Westminster Confession of Faith.”
                Denominations and local churches:
                American Presbyterian Church.
                Associate Reformed Presbyterian.
                Good News Presbyterian, Gilbert, AZ (ARP) “Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church is a conservative, evangelical denomination which holds to the historic Christian faith as revealed in the Bible. Our beliefs are summarized in the Westminster Confession of Faith. God is the sovereign creator and ruler of the universe. Jesus Christ is the Son of God, the only Savior and Lord of man. The Holy Spirit is the initiator and enabler for the Christian life. The Bible is the inerrant Word of God, the only rule of faith and practice. The ARP Synod is the central body of government for our denomination.
                Bible Presbyterian Church.
                Evangelical Covenant Order of Presbyterians.
                Evangelical Presbyterian Church.
                Orthodox Presbyterian Church.
                Presbyterian Church in America.
                Reformed Presbyterian Church in the United States
                Southminster Presbyterian Church, Indianapolis, IN.
                Westminster Presbyterian Church in the United States

                n>Maybe you want to join in on some of the discussions at the A/C (Arminianism & Calvinism) Board?
                .
                Mouser Larry Roy: "yippee ki yay"
                “... see the loonies in their cages… are they not witty… how much amusement they afford… ours is a human world, theirs is a bestial world… " Bedlam

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kat4life View Post

                  Can God leave you if you've been abiding together? Do we have free will after salvation?
                  God never will leave nor forsake anyone who He resides in. He in me and I in Him are one. See John 17.

                  Salvation is God manifest in you, You anointed of God, which is Christ in you, Christ means to be anointed of God. Many say they are saved by mouth only but never experience what it is for Him to come to you and open all of His heaven to you just as He did in Jesus in Matt 3:16 and others who He did come to and open His heaven to them which is His salvation to heaven.
                  The human side is to claim the promises of God. The divine side is to receive them.

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                  • #10
                    Everybody - if we were innocent of all sin and faced with GOD's claim to be our GOD and that any rejection of HIM was a sin but there was salvation for sin to be had in the Son by faith, not proof...

                    ....would that make a difference to your answers?

                    Everything written here is about sinners but sinners have no free will! Want to find a person with a free will to choose whether to take the chance on ending in hell or not (NO one would ever choose to go to hell) then go before they were sown into the earth because only sinners are born as men on earth!
                    I champion GOD’s holiness:
                    - GOD did not need evil so did not create evil for any reason.
                    - Evil is creature-created by their free will.

                    I champion Our Free will:
                    - All were created with a free will able to chose for HIM or against HIM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ttruscott View Post
                      Everybody - if we were innocent of all sin and faced with GOD's claim to be our GOD and that any rejection of HIM was a sin but there was salvation for sin to be had in the Son by faith, not proof...

                      ....would that make a difference to your answers?

                      Everything written here is about sinners but sinners have no free will! Want to find a person with a free will to choose whether to take the chance on ending in hell or not (NO one would ever choose to go to hell) then go before they were sown into the earth because only sinners are born as men on earth!
                      God Himself ENDS HELL.

                      Rev_20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

                      Jesus went to Hell, and took the Keys of Death and Hell away from the Devil.

                      You seem particularly worried about those in Hell, those going to Hell, but yet you do not seem to Repent.

                      Have you thought about Repenting?
                      After all it is God Will.

                      Isa_66:4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

                      ALL WILL COME TO WORSHIP BEFORE THE LORD.

                      It is the WILL of GOD.

                      Even you are affected, by the WILL OF GOD.

                      Are you in a Prison, I get that feeling from you.

                      Should you be?
                      Last edited by Forgiven Child; 06-14-19, 09:56 PM.
                      Pro 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Kat4life View Post
                        Again, does an individual have any choice of whether they go to heaven or hell?
                        I suppose you means souls made by God when you say ‘individual’... if so....


                        a soul of His can continuously try to stay with Him...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by utilyan View Post


                          Thank God he is not a angry chimp pagan monster who is so ticked off at you and unforgiving of it he has to torture a innocent person to get his SADISTIC pleasure.

                          Thank God he is EASILY IDENTIFIABLE GOOD, Not some EVIL MEGALOMANIAC TYRANT who ordains the rape of children "For his Glory".
                          You know Utilyan you've just raised a very interesting point. Some of your words caused me to think of other things.

                          You brought up Pagan Gods which the true God of Heaven detests. One thing that angered God greatly was when his people would cause their children to be sacrificed to Molech. Lev 18:21 Why would he if it were all for his glory and that every action on Earth had to be God's will he wanted to occur?



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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Forgiven Child View Post
                            God Himself ENDS HELL.
                            Good luck with that when the gates of hell close behind you...
                            I champion GOD’s holiness:
                            - GOD did not need evil so did not create evil for any reason.
                            - Evil is creature-created by their free will.

                            I champion Our Free will:
                            - All were created with a free will able to chose for HIM or against HIM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Forgiven Child View Post

                              God Himself ENDS HELL.

                              Rev_20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

                              Jesus went to Hell, and took the Keys of Death and Hell away from the Devil.

                              You seem particularly worried about those in Hell, those going to Hell, but yet you do not seem to Repent.

                              Have you thought about Repenting?
                              After all it is God Will.

                              Isa_66:4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

                              ALL WILL COME TO WORSHIP BEFORE THE LORD.

                              It is the WILL of GOD.

                              Even you are affected, by the WILL OF GOD.

                              Are you in a Prison, I get that feeling from you.

                              Should you be?
                              This world ends by fire


                              go read Joel 2

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