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  • Loving Jesus enough to obey Him ensures salvation

    “And we know that God causes everything to work together
    for the good of those who love God and are called
    according to his purpose for them.” (Romans 8:28)
    These were predestined, called, justified, and glorified (8:29-30).

    Those who truly love God obey Him by resisting temptations to sin!

    “God blesses those who patiently endure testing and temptation.
    Afterward they will receive the crown of life that God
    has promised to those who love Him.” (James 1:12)
    Believers who endure temptation:
    ● love God
    ● chose to be obedient to Jesus (see below)
    ● will receive the crown of (eternal) life

    “Temptation comes from our own desires,
    which entice us and drag us away.
    These desires give birth to sinful actions.
    And when sin is allowed to grow, it gives birth to death.
    So, don’t be misled, my dear brothers and sisters.” (James 1:14-16)
    Believers who do NOT endure temptation:
    ● will fall into habitual sin
    ● will receive spiritual (eternal) death …
    UNLESS they sincerely repent (stop their habitual sinning).

    Those who really love Jesus obey Him
    Those who accept My commandments and obey them
    are the ones who love Me.” (John 14:21)
    All who love Me will do what I say.” (John 14:23)
    Anyone who doesn’t love me will not obey me.” (John 14:24)
    When you obey my commandments, you remain in my love” (John 15:10)
    You are my friends, if you do what I command.” (John 15:14)
    Who gets to heaven who does not love Jesus,
    who is not His friend,

    and who does not obey His commandments?

    Slaves of sin -- OR -- slaves of obedience
    “…If you present yourselves to anyone as as obedient slaves,
    you are slaves of the one wWhom you obey,
    either (slaves) of sin which leads to (eternal) death, OR
    (slaves) of obedience leading too righteousness?”
    (Romans 6:16)

    “…anyone who obeys my teachings will never die!” (John 8:51)

    “if you want to receive eternal life,
    keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17)

    “So, you must live as God’s obedient children.” (1 Peter 1:14)

    “Only those who fear the Lord and keep His commandments
    have life with God. But there is NO (eternal) life in those
    who do not keep His commandments.”
    (from “The Shepherd of Hermas”, which was quoted as Scripture by early
    Christian leaders such as Irenaeus, Origen, and Clement of Alexandria)
    "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
    you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
    (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or
    (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?" (Romans 6:16)

  • #2
    Originally posted by ZacharyB View Post
    “And we know that God causes everything to work together
    for the good of those who love God and are called
    according to his purpose for them.” (Romans 8:28)
    These were predestined, called, justified, and glorified (8:29-30).

    Those who truly love God obey Him by resisting temptations to sin!

    “God blesses those who patiently endure testing and temptation.
    Afterward they will receive the crown of life that God
    has promised to those who love Him.” (James 1:12)
    Believers who endure temptation:
    ● love God
    ● chose to be obedient to Jesus (see below)
    ● will receive the crown of (eternal) life

    “Temptation comes from our own desires,
    which entice us and drag us away.
    These desires give birth to sinful actions.
    And when sin is allowed to grow, it gives birth to death.
    So, don’t be misled, my dear brothers and sisters.” (James 1:14-16)
    Believers who do NOT endure temptation:
    ● will fall into habitual sin
    ● will receive spiritual (eternal) death …
    UNLESS they sincerely repent (stop their habitual sinning).

    Those who really love Jesus obey Him
    Those who accept My commandments and obey them
    are the ones who love Me.” (John 14:21)
    All who love Me will do what I say.” (John 14:23)
    Anyone who doesn’t love me will not obey me.” (John 14:24)
    When you obey my commandments, you remain in my love” (John 15:10)
    You are my friends, if you do what I command.” (John 15:14)
    Who gets to heaven who does not love Jesus,
    who is not His friend,

    and who does not obey His commandments?

    Slaves of sin -- OR -- slaves of obedience
    “…If you present yourselves to anyone as as obedient slaves,
    you are slaves of the one wWhom you obey,
    either (slaves) of sin which leads to (eternal) death, OR
    (slaves) of obedience leading too righteousness?”
    (Romans 6:16)

    “…anyone who obeys my teachings will never die!” (John 8:51)

    “if you want to receive eternal life,
    keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17)

    “So, you must live as God’s obedient children.” (1 Peter 1:14)

    “Only those who fear the Lord and keep His commandments
    have life with God. But there is NO (eternal) life in those
    who do not keep His commandments.”
    (from “The Shepherd of Hermas”, which was quoted as Scripture by early
    Christian leaders such as Irenaeus, Origen, and Clement of Alexandria)
    And NOT A WORD about being Born again of the Holy Spirit,

    Just a bunch of GOOD scriptures about obedience - as though THAT would save you, even though your sins are ONLY eliminated by the Sin Offering of Jesus on the cross (Isa 53).

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

      And NOT A WORD about being Born again of the Holy Spirit,

      Just a bunch of GOOD scriptures about obedience - as though THAT would save you, even though your sins are ONLY eliminated by the Sin Offering of Jesus on the cross (Isa 53).
      Actually sin is eliminated by Gods Spirit be your own spirit, and those who are born of His Spirit it is impossible to be in sin. Jesus could die a thousand deaths and do nothing at all for taking away your sin for you to be perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect, that comes only by God Himself be in you and you be in Him as one. He comes and takes away the sins of this world not just cover them over with a blood sacrifice. His death means nothing at all least you apply it to yourself.

      Meaning? You have to sacrifice your own life and receive His life just as Jesus did in Matt 3:16 when his whole life changed.
      The human side is to claim the promises of God. The divine side is to receive them.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post
        And NOT A WORD about being Born again of the Holy Spirit,
        Just a bunch of GOOD scriptures about obedience - as though THAT would save you, even though your sins are ONLY eliminated by the Sin Offering of Jesus on the cross (Isa 53).
        If you were ever born-again ... at that point in time, ONLY your PAST sins were forgiven!

        “For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness,
        and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his OLD sins.
        Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call
        and election sure, for IF you do these things you will never stumble;
        for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting
        kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.” (2 Peter 1:9-11, NKJV)
        “OLD sins” is also in the KJV, RSV, NLT, AMP

        “having forgotten his purification from his FORMER sins.” (2 Peter 1:9, NASB)
        “FORMER sins” is also in the ESV

        forgetting that they have been cleansed from their PAST sins.(2 Peter 1:9, NIV)
        “PAST sins” is also in the HCSB

        If you would like, I can post many NT verses about obedience being necessary for salvation.
        "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
        you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
        (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or
        (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?" (Romans 6:16)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by ZacharyB View Post
          If you would like, I can post many NT verses about obedience being necessary for salvation.
          I couldn't care LESS about your/your denomination's hermeneutic about salvation.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post
            I couldn't care LESS about your/your denomination's hermeneutic about salvation.
            It's a great travesty that you couldn't care LESS about
            the NT's clear warnings about the possibility of losing salvation!
            "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
            you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
            (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or
            (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?" (Romans 6:16)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ZacharyB View Post
              It's a great travesty that you couldn't care LESS about
              the NT's clear warnings about the possibility of losing salvation!
              Why would you think that YOUR INTERPRETATION of selected "Proof texts" has anything to do with what the BIBLE SAYS.

              (YES, I believe that salvation CAN BE FORFEITED, but it's likely that you don't even HAVE A CLUE how that could happen).

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ZacharyB View Post
                “And we know that God causes everything to work together
                for the good of those who love God and are called
                according to his purpose for them.” (Romans 8:28)
                These were predestined, called, justified, and glorified (8:29-30).

                Those who truly love God obey Him by resisting temptations to sin!

                [Romans 8:28-30 NASB] 28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to [His] purpose. 29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to become] conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.


                How does anyone read that paragraph and come out of that with the conclusion that it is all about what WE do rather than all about what GOD does?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by atpollard View Post


                  [Romans 8:28-30 NASB] 28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to [His] purpose. 29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to become] conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

                  How does anyone read that paragraph and come out of that with the conclusion that
                  it is all about what WE do rather than all about what GOD does?
                  The line in red is not referring to the previous passage.

                  It refers to the rest of the OP ... as do many NT verses!

                  Born-again believers must co-operate with the precious Holy Spirit,
                  who is working towards progressively sanctifying them unto holiness,
                  if they plan on being allowed into heaven.

                  What really blows my mind is ...
                  how believers can ignore and/or reject multitudes of NT verses,
                  which WARN of the possibility of losing salvation.
                  "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
                  you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
                  (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or
                  (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?" (Romans 6:16)

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                  • #10
                    “Little children, let no one deceive you.
                    He who practices righteousness is righteous,
                    just as He is righteous … In this the children of God
                    and the children of the devil are manifest:
                    Whoever does NOT practice righteousness is NOT of God,
                    NOR is he who does NOT love his brothers and sisters.”
                    (1 John 3:7-10)
                    "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
                    you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
                    (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or
                    (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?" (Romans 6:16)

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                    • #11
                      What about all of these verses describing who will be saved ...
                      • [Mat 24:13 NASB] 13 "But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.
                      • [Act 2:21 NASB] 21 'AND IT SHALL BE THAT EVERYONE WHO CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.'
                      • [Act 16:31 NASB] 31 They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."
                      • [Rom 10:9, 13 NASB] 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus [as] Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; ... 13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
                      ... no mention of “obedience” in any of them. Then there is this verse which seems to suggest that one can fail the test of works and still be saved ...
                      • [1Co 3:15 NASB] 15 If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by atpollard View Post
                        What about all of these verses describing who will be saved ...
                        I wuz a nice guy and didn't list all of them ... didn't wish to crash the system!

                        "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
                        you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether
                        (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or
                        (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?" (Romans 6:16)

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