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This world was Created for an Redemptive Purpose founed in Christ Jesus !2

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  • This world was Created for an Redemptive Purpose founed in Christ Jesus !2

    Gen 2:17

    17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

    This surely dying God speaks of here is something already predetermined by the purpose of God to happen, its a sure thing. By this God had already determined that sin and death should enter the world for man Rom 5:12

    12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

    The above wasn't by chance, mishap, accident, but deliberately purposed by God, it was according to the Eternal Purpose in Christ Jesus Eph 3:11

    11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

    See, what God stated to Adam in Gen 2:17, "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. it was based upon and according to His Eternal Purpose He purposed in Christ Jesus. The name Jesus:

    IēsoúsJesus, the transliteration of the Hebrew term, 3091 /Lṓt ("Yehoshua"/Jehoshua, contracted to "Joshua") which means "Yahweh saves" (or "Yahweh is salvation").

    His Name Jesus is related to Salvation, hence this world was Created, and Man for the Eternal Purpose of being Saved through Christ, from Sin and Death, caused by the sin of Adam.

    Eph 3:9

    9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

    This is also the Mystery of Creation ! Created for an salvific Purpose in Christ Jesus !

  • #2
    Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
    Gen 2:17

    17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

    This surely dying God speaks of here is something already predetermined by the purpose of God to happen, its a sure thing. By this God had already determined that sin and death should enter the world for man Rom 5:12

    12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

    The above wasn't by chance, mishap, accident, but deliberately purposed by God, it was according to the Eternal Purpose in Christ Jesus Eph 3:11

    11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

    See, what God stated to Adam in Gen 2:17, "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. it was based upon and according to His Eternal Purpose He purposed in Christ Jesus. The name Jesus:

    IēsoúsJesus, the transliteration of the Hebrew term, 3091 /Lṓt ("Yehoshua"/Jehoshua, contracted to "Joshua") which means "Yahweh saves" (or "Yahweh is salvation").

    His Name Jesus is related to Salvation, hence this world was Created, and Man for the Eternal Purpose of being Saved through Christ, from Sin and Death, caused by the sin of Adam.

    Eph 3:9

    9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

    This is also the Mystery of Creation ! Created for an salvific Purpose in Christ Jesus !
    This is close to blasphemy, you are accusing God of intentionally CAUSING evil. It is one thing for God to know men would sin and allow it, it is quite another to say God caused sin. Every Christian couple knows their children will sin BEFORE they decide to have children, but no decent Christian parent intends that their children sin even once.

    This is a clear demonstration of just how perverted the doctrine of Calvinism really is.

    You make God to appear like an evil doctor who intentionally infects people with a deadly disease for the sole purpose of healing some of them (according to Calvinism) to be the big hero.

    Wow, just wow.
    Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Winman View Post

      This is close to blasphemy, you are accusing God of intentionally CAUSING evil. It is one thing for God to know men would sin and allow it, it is quite another to say God caused sin. Every Christian couple knows their children will sin BEFORE they decide to have children, but no decent Christian parent intends that their children sin even once.

      This is a clear demonstration of just how perverted the doctrine of Calvinism really is.

      You make God to appear like an evil doctor who intentionally infects people with a deadly disease for the sole purpose of healing some of them (according to Calvinism) to be the big hero.

      Wow, just wow.
      You evidently reject the truth that this world was created for a redemptive purpose centered in Christ, which means your theology isn't Christ centered.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by beloved57 View Post

        You evidently reject the truth that this world was created for a redemptive purpose centered in Christ, which means your theology isn't Christ centered.
        What I reject is your view that God determined men would sin so that Jesus Christ could be glorified. God did foreknow that men would sin, and therefore planned from all eternity to save men through his Son Jesus Christ, but God did not cause men to sin. God does not so much as tempt any man to sin (James 1:13-14).

        Jam 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
        14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

        Your view contradicts this scripture and therefore cannot possibly be correct.

        Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Winman View Post

          What I reject is your view that God determined men would sin so that Jesus Christ could be glorified. God did foreknow that men would sin, and therefore planned from all eternity to save men through his Son Jesus Christ, but God did not cause men to sin. God does not so much as tempt any man to sin (James 1:13-14).

          Jam 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
          14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

          Your view contradicts this scripture and therefore cannot possibly be correct.
          Evasion and Rabbit trail comments. This world was created according to the eternal purpose in Christ Eph 3;11

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          • #6
            Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
            Evasion and Rabbit trail comments. This world was created according to the eternal purpose in Christ Eph 3;11
            How can someone directly addressing your false teaching be called evasion? LOL

            And simply saying "Nuh-uh" is NOT an argument. You need to learn and understand that scripture cannot contradict itself. It is impossible that God determined men would sin, as that would directly contradict James 1:14. Your view cannot possibly be correct.

            Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Winman View Post
              You need to learn and understand that scripture cannot contradict itself. It is impossible that God determined men would sin,
              Was it a sin for Joseph's brothers to sell him into slavery in Egypt? (Yes.)
              Did God determine that to happen? (Yes, Gen. 50:20).

              Was it a sin for Assyria to wage war against Israel? (Yes.)
              Did God determine for that to happen? (Yes, Isa. 10:5-7).

              Was it a sin for Herod, Pilate, the Romans and the Jews to murder Jesus, the innocent Son of God? (Yes.)
              Did God determine for that to happen? (Yes, Acts 4:27-28).

              Your view cannot possibly be correct.
              No, YOUR "view cannot possibly be correct".
              "We are not to understand the other side; we are to discuss to expound the truth." -- A misguided apologist
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              "The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation,
              but washes you upon the Rock of Ages."
              -- Charles Haddon Spurgeon

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Winman View Post

                How can someone directly addressing your false teaching be called evasion? LOL

                And simply saying "Nuh-uh" is NOT an argument. You need to learn and understand that scripture cannot contradict itself. It is impossible that God determined men would sin, as that would directly contradict James 1:14. Your view cannot possibly be correct.
                Because it is evasion and a rabbit trail. Do you want to discuss the points I made with scripture ?

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                • #9
                  Doing evil is not God's will for man, unbelief is not God's will for man. God says == The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GISMYS View Post
                    Doing evil is not God's will for man, unbelief is not God's will for man. God says ==

                    But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you,not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. 2 Pet. 3:8-9
                    Have you figured out WHO this passage is about, yet?
                    "We are not to understand the other side; we are to discuss to expound the truth." -- A misguided apologist
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                    "The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation,
                    but washes you upon the Rock of Ages."
                    -- Charles Haddon Spurgeon

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                    • #11

                      Free will!!=We all have choice!!
                      Who this scripture is about==Whoever, everyone
                      “For God so loved the ""world"", that He gave His [e]only begotten Son, that ''whoever'' believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of theonly begotten Son of God.19 This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.20 For ""everyone"" who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.21 But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”

                      Doing evil is not God's will for man, unbelief is not God's will for man. God says ==

                      But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward ""you"",not wishing that any should perish, but that ""all"" should reach repentance. 2 Pet. 3:8-9
                      Last edited by GISMYS; 04-09-17, 07:11 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by GISMYS View Post
                        Free will!!=We all have choice!!
                        Who this scripture is about==Whoever, everyone
                        “For God so loved the ""world"", that He gave His [e]only begotten Son, that ''whoever'' believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of theonly begotten Son of God.19 This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.20 For ""everyone"" who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.21 But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”

                        Doing evil is not God's will for man, unbelief is not God's will for man. God says ==

                        But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward ""you"",not wishing that any should perish, but that ""all"" should reach repentance. 2 Pet. 3:8-9
                        Evasion and Rabbit trail!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Theo1689 View Post

                          Was it a sin for Joseph's brothers to sell him into slavery in Egypt? (Yes.)
                          Yes.

                          Did God determine that to happen? (Yes, Gen. 50:20).
                          God ALLOWED it to happen to fulfill his plan that Joseph go down to Egypt, where he would literally save the entire region years later when there was an extended drought. But God did not CAUSE Joseph's brothers to hate or envy him, else God would be the author of sin.

                          Was it a sin for Assyria to wage war against Israel? (Yes.)
                          Yes.

                          Did God determine for that to happen? (Yes, Isa. 10:5-7).
                          Again, God allowed this to happen as a just judgment and punishment against Israel. But God did not cause Assyria to be the over-confident and arrogant nation that believed it could steam-roll over other nations as shown in this passage, else again, God would be the author of sin.

                          Was it a sin for Herod, Pilate, the Romans and the Jews to murder Jesus, the innocent Son of God? (Yes.)
                          Yes.

                          Did God determine for that to happen? (Yes, Acts 4:27-28).
                          God did determine that Jesus would give his life for our sins, but even here he did not compel Jesus. Jesus himself told Peter that he could have called on his Father, and his Father would have sent more than 12 legions of angels to rescue him.

                          Mat 26:51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.
                          52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
                          53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
                          54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

                          Jesus's question in vs. 53 demands a "Yes" answer. Jesus's sacrifice was completely VOLUNTARY, God did not force or compel him to die for our sins. Jesus had no sin, and therefore did not deserve to die, so God the Father would have rescued Jesus if Jesus would have requested it. But Jesus knew it was his Father's will that he lay down his life for our sins, and Jesus was obedient unto death.

                          As for Judas, Herod, Pilate, the Romans, the Jews, and all the others, the answer is the same, God ALLOWED them to capture Jesus and crucify him, but he did not put their hatred for Jesus in their hearts, else God would be the author of sin.

                          In fact, the Jews had attempted to kill Jesus on at least two earlier occasions, but Jesus escaped them, because it was not the proper time to die, as Jesus HAD to die on the Passover to be our sacrifice. But these persons had hated Jesus and desired to kill him LONG before the Passover. Why would God cause them to attempt to kill Jesus before the proper time? Absurd and nonsensical.

                          No, YOUR "view cannot possibly be correct".
                          No, it is YOUR view that makes God the author of sin, James 1:14 tells us that God does not so much as TEMPT any man to sin, much less to actually commit sin.

                          Scripture cannot contradict itself.
                          Last edited by Winman; 04-10-17, 04:01 AM.
                          Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Theo1689 View Post

                            Have you figured out WHO this passage is about, yet?
                            It is about all men, not just those who actually repent and trust Jesus.

                            And why would God be patient and longsuffering if your view was correct? If God desires that men repent (and he does), why doesn't he simply GIVE them repentance as you believe God does?

                            Who is God waiting on? Himself?

                            Crazy.
                            Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

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                            • #15
                              This world was created for a redemptive purpose centered in Christ!

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