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This world was Created for an Redemptive Purpose founed in Christ Jesus !2

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  • The Elect of God, for the Praise of the Glory of Gods Grace, had been appointed to Salvation through Jesus Christ before Adam was created up on the earth 2 Thess 2:13-14

    13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

    14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    1 Thess 5:9

    For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

    Beforehand or prior to creation the elect were designated vessels of mercy Rom 9:23-24


    23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

    24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

    The words afore prepare are proētoimasen:

    To prepare or appoint beforehand, predestine. From pro and hetoimazo; to fit up in advance. See their fall in Adam was part of fitting them up in advance for the eternal glory in Christ 2 Tim 2:10

    10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they[The elect] may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

    This Eternal Glory was appointed the elect, which never could have been through Adam, the most glory they could have obtained through Adam would have been earthy, because he was from the earth 1 Cor 15:47

    The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. The Glory God had in store for the elect was always heavenly through the Heavenly Man vs 48-49

    As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

    And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.


    Even if Adam had not sinned, he was only flesh and blood, which scripture states 1 Cor 15:50

    Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

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    • God purposed and promised eternal life thru Christ before the world began, so it was promised before adam existed !

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      • Originally posted by Winman View Post

        This is close to blasphemy, you are accusing God of intentionally CAUSING evil. It is one thing for God to know men would sin and allow it, it is quite another to say God caused sin. Every Christian couple knows their children will sin BEFORE they decide to have children, but no decent Christian parent intends that their children sin even once.

        This is a clear demonstration of just how perverted the doctrine of Calvinism really is.

        You make God to appear like an evil doctor who intentionally infects people with a deadly disease for the sole purpose of healing some of them (according to Calvinism) to be the big hero.

        Wow, just wow.
        Tom notes

        Kind of like one being the arsonist and then the fireman

        The comments you rail against do unfortunately appear in the writing of Calvinists

        If God determines all of man's evil sin what is he redeeming but what he himself determined

        As you stated wow
        Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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        • It was always Gods purpose in Creation to show forth His Saving Grace in Christ. Paul writes Eph 2:6-7

          6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

          7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

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          • Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
            Gen 2:17

            17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

            This surely dying God speaks of here is something already predetermined by the purpose of God to happen, its a sure thing. By this God had already determined that sin and death should enter the world for man Rom 5:12

            12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

            The above wasn't by chance, mishap, accident, but deliberately purposed by God, it was according to the Eternal Purpose in Christ Jesus Eph 3:11

            11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

            See, what God stated to Adam in Gen 2:17, "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. it was based upon and according to His Eternal Purpose He purposed in Christ Jesus. The name Jesus:

            IēsoúsJesus, the transliteration of the Hebrew term, 3091 /Lṓt ("Yehoshua"/Jehoshua, contracted to "Joshua") which means "Yahweh saves" (or "Yahweh is salvation").

            His Name Jesus is related to Salvation, hence this world was Created, and Man for the Eternal Purpose of being Saved through Christ, from Sin and Death, caused by the sin of Adam.

            Eph 3:9

            9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

            This is also the Mystery of Creation ! Created for an salvific Purpose in Christ Jesus !
            Tom asked

            So God determined to send Jesus to remedy for a few what He God had determined for all ?
            Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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            • Originally posted by TomL View Post

              Tom asked

              So God determined to send Jesus to remedy for a few what He God had determined for all ?
              It is for all not a few and here is scriptural proof:

              Eph 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

              Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

              Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

              Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
              Just remember that God's comes to his own first which is Israel.

              God bless you,

              SeventhDay

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              • Originally posted by SeventhDay View Post

                It is for all not a few and here is scriptural proof:



                Just remember that God's comes to his own first which is Israel.

                God bless you,

                SeventhDay
                Daniel 12:2 (NIV2011)
                2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
                Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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                • Originally posted by TomL View Post

                  Daniel 12:2 (NIV2011)
                  2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
                  Yes. but you must harmonize all the scriptures which you are not doing. Stay away from the tradition of man's teaching and take off those traditional filters that make you deny Jesus atonement for the sins of the world and makes new spiritual creations in Christ Jesus.

                  You read1Timothy chapter 2 but you have not harmonized that with Daniel 12:2. You do that because I should not have to do that for you.

                  If you continue with man must repent first before God saves them then you are in denial of Jesus atonement because a carnal mind is at enmity with God and is spiritually dead and can not hear a spiritual call. Besides that the old man is dead with Christ in his death and remains dead!

                  God bless you,

                  SeventhDay

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                  • Originally posted by TomL View Post

                    Tom asked

                    So God determined to send Jesus to remedy for a few what He God had determined for all ?
                    What does the post say you quoted ? What are the points ?

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                    • Originally posted by beloved57 View Post

                      What does the post say you quoted ? What are the points ?
                      Tom notes

                      It looks like what you state leads to the conclusion

                      God determined to send Jesus to remedy for a few what He God had determined for all ?


                      It that not what you believe ?

                      Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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                      • Originally posted by SeventhDay View Post

                        Yes. but you must harmonize all the scriptures which you are not doing. Stay away from the tradition of man's teaching and take off those traditional filters that make you deny Jesus atonement for the sins of the world and makes new spiritual creations in Christ Jesus.

                        You read1Timothy chapter 2 but you have not harmonized that with Daniel 12:2. You do that because I should not have to do that for you.

                        If you continue with man must repent first before God saves them then you are in denial of Jesus atonement because a carnal mind is at enmity with God and is spiritually dead and can not hear a spiritual call. Besides that the old man is dead with Christ in his death and remains dead!

                        God bless you,

                        SeventhDay
                        Tom replies

                        Absurd

                        John 3:18 (KJV)
                        18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
                        Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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                        • Originally posted by TomL View Post

                          Tom notes

                          It looks like what you state leads to the conclusion

                          God determined to send Jesus to remedy for a few what He God had determined for all ?


                          It that not what you believe ?
                          So you arent interested in the points at all. So nothig to discuss.

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                          • Originally posted by beloved57 View Post

                            So you arent interested in the points at all. So nothig to discuss.
                            Tom replies

                            I am interested in if this is what you believe

                            It looks like what you state leads to the conclusion


                            God determined to send Jesus to remedy for a few what He God had determined for all ?


                            It that not what you believe ?


                            If not how can you logically avoid it ?
                            Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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                            • Originally posted by TomL View Post

                              Tom replies

                              I am interested in if this is what you believe

                              It looks like what you state leads to the conclusion


                              God determined to send Jesus to remedy for a few what He God had determined for all ?


                              It that not what you believe ?


                              If not how can you logically avoid it ?
                              So ok if you are interested, what did I post and how did I use scripture for the point ?

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                              • Originally posted by TomL View Post

                                Tom replies

                                Absurd

                                John 3:18 (KJV)
                                18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
                                That is correct the old man is condemned already thus he believeth not in the name of the Son of God but a spiritually regenerated creation believes!



                                1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
                                Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

                                Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

                                Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

                                Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
                                Only the one that has the Spirit of Christ can believe and repent and the old man is carnal and can not please God.

                                Harmonize the scriptures!

                                God bless you,

                                SeventhDay

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