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  • [“Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?”
    **Amos‬ *3:6‬ *KJV‬‬
    http://bible.com/1/amo.3.6.kjvQUOTE=Winman;n4571792]

    Mumbo jumbo double-talk. If God "unchangeably" decrees everything a man will do before he is born, he is nothing but a programmed robot, even if the man himself believes he is acting of his own free will.



    No, if God "unchangeably" decreed everything that comes to pass, then God CAUSED everything, including sin.

    Dude, you are just deceiving your own self.

    [/QUOTE]

    “Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?”
    **Amos‬ *3:6‬ *KJV‬‬
    http://bible.com/1/amo.3.6.kjv


    No conviction,No conversion

    John 16:8
    And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

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    • Originally posted by Bigboy View Post

      Isaiah 45:6-7

      That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west,
      that there is none beside me.
      I am the Lord, and there is none else.
      I form the light, and create darkness:
      I make peace, and create evil:
      I the Lord do all these things.
      Thanks. I like to offer an answer but I stop after a while; that's what the Bible says to do when you get at an impasse. I always argue in a way which shows they believe the same or very much like the point they argue against; and it still doesn't work on them...

      This is why Providence is swept under the rug these days...
      Isaiah 53:10-11 NKJV 'When You make His soul an offering for sin, God shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied.'

      Providence ~ The red headed Stepchild of Contemporary Theologians...
      New-Protestant Reformation Dec 2009

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      • Originally posted by Bigboy View Post

        Isaiah 45:6-7

        That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west,
        that there is none beside me.
        I am the Lord, and there is none else.
        I form the light, and create darkness:
        I make peace, and create evil:
        I the Lord do all these things.

        “Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?”
        **Amos‬ *3:6‬ *KJV‬‬
        http://bible.com/1/amo.3.6.kjv
        Would some of you pelagians like to put your spin on these two verses, I would like to hear it..........seriously.

        No conviction,No conversion

        John 16:8
        And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

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        • Originally posted by Bigboy View Post

          Would some of you pelagians like to put your spin on these two verses, I would like to hear it..........seriously.
          As far as I know, there aren't any posters on these forums identifying themselves as Pelagians.
          by faith we understand...
          Didn't I tell you that if you believe, you will see the glory of God?

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          • Originally posted by Bigboy View Post

            Would some of you pelagians like to put your spin on these two verses, I would like to hear it..........seriously.
            Sure, when you SERIOUSLY answer these two verses Determinist.

            Hosea 8:4 They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not: of their silver and their gold have they made them idols, that they may be cut off.

            Jer 7:31 And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart.

            See how easy it is to go through the Bible and "cherry pick" specific verses to make the Bible SEEM to say what you WANT it to say? These two verses absolutely seem to contradict and refute the verses you showed.

            Explain these two verses to me, Determinist. SERIOUSLY.



            None but a poor Christian will bestow a wrong appellation, on any man: and none but a bad man will kill even a bad man, with an unlawful weapon. - REV. RALPH EMERSON

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            • Originally posted by bruisermiller View Post

              Thanks. I like to offer an answer but I stop after a while; that's what the Bible says to do when you get at an impasse. I always argue in a way which shows they believe the same or very much like the point they argue against; and it still doesn't work on them...

              This is why Providence is swept under the rug these days...
              You are welcome to explain Hosea 8:4 and Jeremiah 7:31. Explain these two verses to me.

              Hos 8:4 They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not: of their silver and their gold have they made them idols, that they may be cut off.

              Jer 7:31 And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart.

              Exactly how does God unchangeably decree men will do something he did not tell them to do as we are told in these two verses? How does God decree something he did not command? Isn't a decree by definition a command?

              How do you explain these verses to agree with your creed?


              None but a poor Christian will bestow a wrong appellation, on any man: and none but a bad man will kill even a bad man, with an unlawful weapon. - REV. RALPH EMERSON

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              • Originally posted by sethproton View Post

                as far as i know, there aren't any posters on these forums identifying themselves as pelagians.
                lol lol !

                No conviction,No conversion

                John 16:8
                And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

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                • Originally posted by Winman View Post

                  Sure, when you SERIOUSLY answer these two verses Determinist.

                  Hosea 8:4 They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not: of their silver and their gold have they made them idols, that they may be cut off.

                  Jer 7:31 And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart.

                  See how easy it is to go through the Bible and "cherry pick" specific verses to make the Bible SEEM to say what you WANT it to say? These two verses absolutely seem to contradict and refute the verses you showed.

                  Explain these two verses to me, Determinist. SERIOUSLY.


                  Nice dodge Winnie. I asked first.................your two verses are simple and they don't teach what you wish they did.

                  No conviction,No conversion

                  John 16:8
                  And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

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                  • Originally posted by Bigboy View Post

                    Nice dodge Winnie. I asked first.................your two verses are simple and they don't teach what you wish they did.
                    It was not a dodge, and whether you understand it or not, I directly answered the verses you posted, by showing that anybody can cherry pick particular verses to make the Bible appear to support their particular creed.

                    The verses I posted are just as true as the verses you posted, but contradict your man-made creed. Obviously God does not meticulously decree every action of man, but allows him some freedom, else they could not do things he did not want them to do, things he NEVER commanded.

                    Whether you know it or not, I REFUTED your view with scripture.
                    None but a poor Christian will bestow a wrong appellation, on any man: and none but a bad man will kill even a bad man, with an unlawful weapon. - REV. RALPH EMERSON

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                    • Originally posted by Bigboy View Post

                      Would some of you pelagians like to put your spin on these two verses, I would like to hear it..........seriously.
                      we see who responded, didn't we Seth and Winnie. Lol

                      No conviction,No conversion

                      John 16:8
                      And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

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                      • Originally posted by Winman View Post

                        It was not a dodge, and whether you understand it or not, I directly answered the verses you posted, by showing that anybody can cherry pick particular verses to make the Bible appear to support their particular creed.

                        The verses I posted are just as true as the verses you posted, but contradict your man-made creed. Obviously God does not meticulously decree every action of man, but allows him some freedom, else they could not do things he did not want them to do, things he NEVER commanded.

                        Whether you know it or not, I REFUTED your view with scripture.
                        Exactly who said man has no freedom ( hint it wasn't me ) ? I just exposed your red herring .
                        No conviction,No conversion

                        John 16:8
                        And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

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                        • Originally posted by Bigboy View Post

                          Exactly who said man has no freedom ( hint it wasn't me ) ? I just exposed your red herring .
                          Calvinism has God "unchangeably" decreeing that men would do things he says he does not want them to do.

                          How messed up is that?

                          It is one thing to say God allows men to sin to a degree, it is quite another to say he meticulously decrees ALL things that come to pass, and THAT is what most Calvinists teach and believe.

                          None but a poor Christian will bestow a wrong appellation, on any man: and none but a bad man will kill even a bad man, with an unlawful weapon. - REV. RALPH EMERSON

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                          • Originally posted by Bigboy View Post

                            we see who responded, didn't we Seth and Winnie. Lol
                            I am NOT a Pelagian. In fact, Pelagius himself was not a Pelagian, he did not believe men could come to God without God's grace as many (Calvinists) have falsely accused him.

                            I do not believe that any man could come to God unless God had revealed the gospel to that man and draws him to Christ, so I am not a Pelagian either.

                            Calling people Pelagians is just a smear tactic Calvinists use when they are losing the debate, which is MOST of the time.
                            None but a poor Christian will bestow a wrong appellation, on any man: and none but a bad man will kill even a bad man, with an unlawful weapon. - REV. RALPH EMERSON

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                            • Originally posted by Winman View Post

                              I am NOT a Pelagian. In fact, Pelagius himself was not a Pelagian, he did not believe men could come to God without God's grace as many (Calvinists) have falsely accused him.

                              I do not believe that any man could come to God unless God had revealed the gospel to that man and draws him to Christ, so I am not a Pelagian either.

                              Calling people Pelagians is just a smear tactic Calvinists use when they are losing the debate, which is MOST of the time.
                              i asked for pelagians to respond, you and Seth did so immediately. You are a hoot.

                              No conviction,No conversion

                              John 16:8
                              And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

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                              • Originally posted by Bigboy View Post

                                i asked for pelagians to respond, you and Seth did so immediately. You are a hoot.
                                I knew quite well you were accusing ME of being a Pelagian, and that is why I responded. Paul was "happy" to respond to people who falsely accused him of blasphemy.

                                Acts 26:1 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Thou art permitted to speak for thyself. Then Paul stretched forth the hand, and answered for himself:
                                2 I think myself happy, king Agrippa, because I shall answer for myself this day before thee touching all the things whereof I am accused of the Jews:

                                Just because Paul gladly responded to those who accused him of blasphemy does not mean he was guilty of such. Likewise, because I respond to your false accusation does not mean I am a Pelagian.



                                None but a poor Christian will bestow a wrong appellation, on any man: and none but a bad man will kill even a bad man, with an unlawful weapon. - REV. RALPH EMERSON

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