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  • Originally posted by noemail001 View Post
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    [U]8. The doctrine of this high mystery of predestination is to be handled with special prudence and care,[s] that men, attending the will of God revealed in his Word, and yielding obedience thereunto, may, from the certainty of their effectual vocation, be assured of their eternal election.[t] So shall this doctrine afford matter of praise, reverence, and admiration of God; and of humility, diligence, and abundant consolation to all that sincerely obey the gospel. …..."
    once again
    it does NOT say anyone can know a Reprobate from the currently unregenerate.
    One of the ekklēsia

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    • Originally posted by civic View Post
      Show one single instance in scripture where God saved a reprobate , let's see the evidence for your false assumption .

      hope this helps !!!
      civic and Theo.

      This subject comes up a lot when I hear people bashing each other. I do have a question about the reprobate mind. I believe what Paul says in Romans 1.

      Romans 1:18-32

      18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

      24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

      26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

      28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.


      Then in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Paul says that some of these people (homosexuals) can repent and be washed.


      9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

      I can agree that there is no example in the scriptures that demonstrates this.

      For my own edification, will you address this seemingly contradiction? I have read the context, but admit that I may be missing something essential.

      Thanks for your help.

      God Bless
      It is fundamentally necessary and healthy for Christians to acknowledge that God foreknows nothing uncertainly, but that He foresees, purposes, and does all things according to His own immutable, eternal and infallible will. This bombshell knocks "free-will" flat…

      Martin Luther The Bondage of the Will

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      • Originally posted by Beloved Daughter View Post

        civic and Theo.

        This subject comes up a lot when I hear people bashing each other. I do have a question about the reprobate mind. I believe what Paul says in Romans 1.

        Romans 1:18-32

        18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

        24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

        26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

        28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.


        Then in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Paul says that some of these people (homosexuals) can repent and be washed.


        9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

        I can agree that there is no example in the scriptures that demonstrates this.

        For my own edification, will you address this seemingly contradiction? I have read the context, but admit that I may be missing something essential.

        Thanks for your help.

        God Bless
        In your 1 cor 6 passage those described are not reprobates or have a reprobate mind whereas those in Romans 1 are reprobates. The difference is the state of mind of the individual where they have rejected God over and over, replaced God with idolatry and creature worship and make God and His word out to be a lie. One does not have to be a homosexual to be a reprobate as per Jer 6:16-17. In both cases we see a progression whether one is a homosexual or not and is an idolater who has rejected God over a period of time and has made God out to be a liar. Also the descriptors or list of behaviors in Romans lists a certain type of individual with their frame of mind which is described as reprobate.

        hope this helps !!!
        His true identity as both Lord (κύριος used by the LXX to translate Yahweh) and God (θεός used by the LXX to translate Elohim)netbible John 20:28[In John's writings] Of the approximately 70 instances in which ουτος has a personal referent, as many as 44 of them (almost 2/3) refer to the Son. Of the remainder most imply some sort of positive connection with the Son.What is most significant is that NEVER is the Father the referent. 1 John 5:20, Wallace

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        • Originally posted by civic View Post

          In your 1 cor 6 passage those described are not reprobates or have a reprobate mind whereas those in Romans 1 are reprobates. The difference is the state of mind of the individual where they have rejected God over and over, replaced God with idolatry and creature worship and make God and His word out to be a lie. One does not have to be a homosexual to be a reprobate as per Jer 6:16-17. In both cases we see a progression whether one is a homosexual or not and is an idolater who has rejected God over a period of time and has made God out to be a liar. Also the descriptors or list of behaviors in Romans lists a certain type of individual with their frame of mind which is described as reprobate.

          hope this helps !!!
          Thanks civic. I appreciate it. God Bless.
          It is fundamentally necessary and healthy for Christians to acknowledge that God foreknows nothing uncertainly, but that He foresees, purposes, and does all things according to His own immutable, eternal and infallible will. This bombshell knocks "free-will" flat…

          Martin Luther The Bondage of the Will

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          • Originally posted by civic View Post

            In your 1 cor 6 passage those described are not reprobates or have a reprobate mind whereas those in Romans 1 are reprobates. The difference is the state of mind of the individual where they have rejected God over and over, replaced God with idolatry and creature worship and make God and His word out to be a lie. One does not have to be a homosexual to be a reprobate as per Jer 6:16-17. In both cases we see a progression whether one is a homosexual or not and is an idolater who has rejected God over a period of time and has made God out to be a liar. Also the descriptors or list of behaviors in Romans lists a certain type of individual with their frame of mind which is described as reprobate.

            hope this helps !!!
            n>You are contradicting Calvinism and Reformed Theology as stated here in the popular WCF chapter 3*: The WCF clearly contradict your false teaching that, "those in Romans 1 are reprobates. The difference is the state of mind of the individual where they have rejected God over and over, replaced God with idolatry and creature worship and make God and His word out to be a lie. One does not have to be a homosexual to be a reprobate as per Jer 6:16-17. In both cases we see a progression whether one is a homosexual or not and is an idolater who has rejected God over a period of time and has made God out to be a liar..." I hope that helps.

            *
            "1. God from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass:[a] yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin,[b] nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures; nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established. 2. Although God knows whatsoever may or can come to pass upon all supposed conditions,[d] yet hath he not decreed anything because he foresaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions. 3. By the decree of God, for the manifestation of his glory, some men and angels[f] are predestinated unto everlasting life; and others foreordained to everlasting death.4. These angels and men, thus predestinated, and foreordained, are particularly and unchangeably designed, and their number so certain and definite, that it cannot be either increased or diminished.5. Those of mankind that are predestinated unto life, God, before the foundation of the world was laid, according to his eternal and immutable purpose, and the secret counsel and good pleasure of his will, hath chosen, in Christ, unto everlasting glory,[i] out of his mere free grace and love, without any foresight of faith, or good works, or perseverance in either of them, or any other thing in the creature, as conditions, or causes moving him thereunto:[k] and all to the praise of his glorious grace. 6. As God hath appointed the elect unto glory, so hath he, by the eternal and most free purpose of his will, foreordained all the means thereunto.[m] Wherefore, they who are elected, being fallen in Adam, are redeemed by Christ,[n] are effectually called unto faith in Christ by his Spirit working in due season, are justified, adopted, sanctified,[o] and kept by his power, through faith, unto salvation.[p] Neither are any other redeemed by Christ, effectually called, justified, adopted, sanctified, and saved, but the elect only. 7. The rest of mankind God was pleased, according to the unsearchable counsel of his own will, whereby he extendeth or witholdeth mercy, as he pleaseth, for the glory of his sovereign power over his creatures, to pass by; and to ordain them to dishonour and wrath for their sin, to the praise of his glorious justice.8. The doctrine of this high mystery of predestination is to be handled with special prudence and care,[s] that men, attending the will of God revealed in his Word, and yielding obedience thereunto, may, from the certainty of their effectual vocation, be assured of their eternal election.[t] So shall this doctrine afford matter of praise, reverence, and admiration of God;[u] and of humility, diligence, and abundant consolation to all that sincerely obey the gospel."
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            “... see the loonies in their cages… are they not witty… how much amusement they afford… ours is a human world, theirs is a bestial world… " Bedlam

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            • Originally posted by noemail001 View Post

              n>You are contradicting Calvinism and Reformed Theology as stated here in the popular WCF chapter 3*: The WCF clearly contradict your false teaching that, "those in Romans 1 are reprobates. The difference is the state of mind of the individual where they have rejected God over and over, replaced God with idolatry and creature worship and make God and His word out to be a lie. One does not have to be a homosexual to be a reprobate as per Jer 6:16-17. In both cases we see a progression whether one is a homosexual or not and is an idolater who has rejected God over a period of time and has made God out to be a liar..." I hope that helps.

              *
              "1. God from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass:[a] yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin,[b] nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures; nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established. 2. Although God knows whatsoever may or can come to pass upon all supposed conditions,[d] yet hath he not decreed anything because he foresaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions. 3. By the decree of God, for the manifestation of his glory, some men and angels[f] are predestinated unto everlasting life; and others foreordained to everlasting death.4. These angels and men, thus predestinated, and foreordained, are particularly and unchangeably designed, and their number so certain and definite, that it cannot be either increased or diminished.5. Those of mankind that are predestinated unto life, God, before the foundation of the world was laid, according to his eternal and immutable purpose, and the secret counsel and good pleasure of his will, hath chosen, in Christ, unto everlasting glory,[i] out of his mere free grace and love, without any foresight of faith, or good works, or perseverance in either of them, or any other thing in the creature, as conditions, or causes moving him thereunto:[k] and all to the praise of his glorious grace. 6. As God hath appointed the elect unto glory, so hath he, by the eternal and most free purpose of his will, foreordained all the means thereunto.[m] Wherefore, they who are elected, being fallen in Adam, are redeemed by Christ,[n] are effectually called unto faith in Christ by his Spirit working in due season, are justified, adopted, sanctified,[o] and kept by his power, through faith, unto salvation.[p] Neither are any other redeemed by Christ, effectually called, justified, adopted, sanctified, and saved, but the elect only. 7. The rest of mankind God was pleased, according to the unsearchable counsel of his own will, whereby he extendeth or witholdeth mercy, as he pleaseth, for the glory of his sovereign power over his creatures, to pass by; and to ordain them to dishonour and wrath for their sin, to the praise of his glorious justice.8. The doctrine of this high mystery of predestination is to be handled with special prudence and care,[s] that men, attending the will of God revealed in his Word, and yielding obedience thereunto, may, from the certainty of their effectual vocation, be assured of their eternal election.[t] So shall this doctrine afford matter of praise, reverence, and admiration of God;[u] and of humility, diligence, and abundant consolation to all that sincerely obey the gospel."
              the only contradiction is from your depraved thinking so get over yourself ........

              hope this helps !!!
              His true identity as both Lord (κύριος used by the LXX to translate Yahweh) and God (θεός used by the LXX to translate Elohim)netbible John 20:28[In John's writings] Of the approximately 70 instances in which ουτος has a personal referent, as many as 44 of them (almost 2/3) refer to the Son. Of the remainder most imply some sort of positive connection with the Son.What is most significant is that NEVER is the Father the referent. 1 John 5:20, Wallace

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