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The pride of the freewiller and denial of Grace salvation !

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Seabass View Post

    Opinion and bias, nothing Bible based to see here.
    It exposes self righteousness and pride.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by PeanutGallery View Post



      Luke 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
      Luke 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

      Luke's fable produced justification (Luke 18:14)
      by saying;
      God, be merciful to me a sinner! (Luke 18:13).


      Originally posted by beloved57 View Post

      You are promoting salvation by the humility of the sinner, not by the work of Christ. Thats pride and self righteousness. Boasting
      Luke 's fable states that the publican who humbled himself,
      by saying;
      'God, be merciful to me a sinner', went home justified(Luke 18:13).

      That is justification by asking for mercy.

      Where is the faith in that ???

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Conqueror View Post


        Luke's fable produced justification (Luke 18:14)
        by saying;
        God, be merciful to me a sinner! (Luke 18:13).




        Luke 's fable states that the publican who humbled himself,
        by saying;
        'God, be merciful to me a sinner', went home justified(Luke 18:13).

        That is justification by asking for mercy.

        Where is the faith in that ???
        You are still promoting Justification by humility,thats pride and self righteousness. Look at me, im more humble than you and asked God to be merciful to me a sinner. Maybe if you humble yourself like I did God will justify you also. All the attention is on what you done, boasting on yourself !

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        • #19
          conq
          Luke's fable produced justification (Luke 18:14)
          by saying; God, be merciful to me a sinner! (Luke 18:13).
          False statement. Nothing is said about justification being produced in those scriptures, thats your conjecture !

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          • #20


            Luke 's fable states that the publican who humbled himself,
            by saying;
            'God, be merciful to me a sinner', went home justified(Luke 18:13).

            Originally posted by beloved57 View Post

            You are still promoting Justification by humility,thats pride and self righteousness. Look at me, im more humble than you and asked God to be merciful to me a sinner. Maybe if you humble yourself like I did God will justify you also. All the attention is on what you done, boasting on yourself !
            Luke is promoting justification by humility.
            I point out that this cannot be !!!!



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            Last edited by Conqueror; 08-10-18, 08:41 AM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

              Luke 's fable states that the publican who humbled himself,
              by saying;
              'God, be merciful to me a sinner', went home justified(Luke 18:13).



              Luke is promoting justification by humility.
              I point out that this cannot be !!!!



              .
              You are promoting justification by humility. Luke didnt make your post.

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              • #22

                Originally posted by Conqueror View Post


                Luke 's fable states that the publican who humbled himself,
                by saying;
                'God, be merciful to me a sinner', went home justified(Luke 18:13).



                Luke is promoting justification by humility.
                I point out that this cannot be !!!!



                Originally posted by beloved57 View Post

                You are promoting justification by humility. Luke didnt make your post.
                I suggest that you stop accusing me falsely.

                I never promoted justification by humility.

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                • #23
                  conq

                  Luke's fable produced justification (Luke 18:14)
                  by saying; God, be merciful to me a sinner! (Luke 18:13).
                  Luke didnt post this false statement, you did !

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                  • #24
                    I never promoted justification by humility.

                    Originally posted by beloved57 View Post

                    Luke didnt post this false statement, you did !
                    I suggest that you read Luke's pseudo-gospel
                    in which the publican humbled himself, by saying;

                    'God, be merciful to me a sinner', went home justified (Luke 18:13).


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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Conqueror View Post
                      I never promoted justification by humility.



                      I suggest that you read Luke's pseudo-gospel
                      in which the publican humbled himself, by saying;

                      'God, be merciful to me a sinner', went home justified (Luke 18:13).

                      Again Lk 18:13-14 says nothing about anything producing Justification. Thats your false statement. Thats all i have to say about it

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by beloved57 View Post

                        It exposes self righteousness and pride.
                        Where does the Bible teach obeying God is self-righteousness and pride? Was Abraham self-righteous and prideful for obeying God, Heb 11:8.17?
                        1 Jn 3:10......... whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God.........

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Seabass View Post

                          Where does the Bible teach obeying God is self-righteousness and pride? Was Abraham self-righteous and prideful for obeying God, Heb 11:8.17?
                          I never said obeying God is self righteousness and pride. You are probably in the wrong thread. Reread the OP and point out where its says:

                          obeying God is self-righteousness and pride?
                          If you cant find that admit you are either misrepresenting what i stated or you made a mistake.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by beloved57 View Post

                            You are promoting justification by humility. Luke didnt make your post.
                            Scripture states we are justified by faith; your theology promotes justification by election.

                            1Peter 1:18,19 Redeemed ... with the precious blood of Christ

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by PeanutGallery View Post
                              Scripture states we are justified by faith; your theology promotes justification by election.
                              You must be in the wrong thread, its not about being justified by faith. I do have threads on that if you care to find them and we can discuss that.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by beloved57 View Post

                                I never said obeying God is self righteousness and pride. You are probably in the wrong thread. Reread the OP and point out where its says:



                                If you cant find that admit you are either misrepresenting what i stated or you made a mistake.
                                You posted in the OP:
                                Now this false teaching fosters pride and self righteousness in the sinner because it takes Salvation out of the sole doing of the Person and Work of Jesus Christ wherein by that He secures the Salvation for everyone He lived and died and instead puts it into the hands of the will and or decision of the individual sinner. That isn't the Gospel of Jesus Christ !

                                Secondly it promotes self righteousness because the sinner now believes that it was something in the sinner themselves that made the difference between saved and lost.


                                Abraham's obedience take salvation out of the sole doing of God? No, for his WILLFUL OBEDIENCE was part of his justification.

                                Abraham's obedience had nothing to do with his salvation? No, for his WILLFUL OBEDIENCE to God was the reason God justified him.

                                So according to your OP you are accusing Abraham of pride and self righteousness because His WILLFUL OBEDIENCE was why he was justified.
                                1 Jn 3:10......... whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God.........

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