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  • For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

    For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

    1 Cor 15:22

    22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

    Though there will be a general resurrection of the just and unjust Acts 24:15, this portion of scripture is of particular reference to the Church /Body of Christ or the just. Its referencing the glorious resurrection of men and women in Christ, for which Hes their firstfruits 1 Cor 15:20,23. So these are connected to Christ, Hes their Head and they're members of His Body, 1 Cor 12:12

    12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

  • #2
    The same principle is in Rom 5 wherein the false teachers want to include all mankind in the blessings which pertain only to Christs Church. For instance those scriptures Rom 5:12-21. But the only truht Paul is conveying therein is simply :

    All who were in Adam when he sinned as their natural head died to God/ or were made sinners, and its simply contrasted all who were in Christ when He obeyed shall be made alive with Christ.

    For instance in Rom 5:18

    18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one[Christ] the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.


    The free gift here came upon all men in Christ unto justification of life, for theirs no Justification nor life apart from in Christ.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
      ...
      For instance in Rom 5:18

      18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one[Christ] the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.


      The free gift here came upon all men in Christ unto justification of life, for theirs no Justification nor life apart from in Christ.
      That verse does not state, " the free gift came upon all men in Christ unto justification of life.

      1Peter 1:18,19 Redeemed ... with the precious blood of Christ

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      • #4
        Originally posted by beloved57 View Post
        For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

        [INDENT]1 Cor 15:22

        22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

        Though there will be a general resurrection of the just and unjust Acts 24:15, ...
        The whole section is about the resurrection; you need to show Paul's intention to change gears.
        1Peter 1:18,19 Redeemed ... with the precious blood of Christ

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        • #5
          Originally posted by PeanutGallery View Post
          The whole section is about the resurrection; you need to show Paul's intention to change gears.
          Did you want to discuss my points or change the subject to what you want this to be ?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by PeanutGallery View Post
            That verse does not state, " the free gift came upon all men in Christ unto justification of life.
            Thats what it means. There's no life and justification outside of Christ. You don't have to believe it fine with me.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by beloved57 View Post

              Thats what it means.
              That is not what it states; you are interjecting your philosophical theology.
              1Peter 1:18,19 Redeemed ... with the precious blood of Christ

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              • #8
                Originally posted by PeanutGallery View Post
                That is not what it states; you are interjecting your philosophical theology.
                Thats what it means. Theres no life nor justification save through Christ, sorry you dont believe that. I'm interjecting Christ ! Who do you think the one is here Rom 5:18

                18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by beloved57 View Post

                  Thats what it means. Theres no life nor justification save through Christ, sorry you dont believe that. I'm interjecting Christ ! Who do you think the one is here Rom 5:18

                  18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
                  ... the free gift came upon all men ... ; yep, the verse states free gift to all men.


                  1Peter 1:18,19 Redeemed ... with the precious blood of Christ

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by PeanutGallery View Post
                    ... the free gift came upon all men ... ; yep, the verse states free gift to all men.

                    And you actually think that "all men" in THAT context (read Rom. 5:1ff that leads up to that verse) means "every single individual" (something it does NOT say)?

                    So you're a universalist then?
                    Nobody's in hell?
                    "We are not to understand the other side; we are to discuss to expound the truth." -- A misguided apologist
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                    "The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation,
                    but washes you upon the Rock of Ages."
                    -- Charles Haddon Spurgeon

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Theo1689 View Post

                      And you actually think that "all men" in THAT context (read Rom. 5:1ff that leads up to that verse) means "every single individual" (something it does NOT say)?

                      So you're a universalist then?
                      Nobody's in hell?
                      Some people interpret the verse to mean that the free gift came only upon all those few men God chose for His own pleasure and reason to to show unmerited favor to. Some people interpret the verse to mean God extends His love to all men by making salvation available to any and every man willing to come to God in accordance with His instructions. In any case, we know that the death that came upon all men included all men whether the free gift included all men or not.
                      I am not a NPB-Onlyist (No Perfect Bible Onlyist), nor a NA/UBS-Onlyist. Marke

                      If this book be not infallible, where shall we find infallibility? We have given up the Pope, for he has blundered often and terribly; but we shall not set up instead of him a horde of little popelings fresh from college. C. H. Spurgeon

                      For that Revised Version I have but little care as a general rule, holding it to be by no means an improvement upon our common Authorized Version. C.H. Spurgeon

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by marke View Post

                        Some people interpret the verse to mean that the free gift came only upon all those few men God chose for His own pleasure and reason to to show unmerited favor to. Some people interpret the verse to mean God extends His love to all men by making salvation available to any and every man willing to come to God in accordance with His instructions. In any case, we know that the death that came upon all men included all men whether the free gift included all men or not.
                        Well, two problems:

                        1) Interpreting "all men" as "every single individual" (as you and PG seem to want to do) invariably leads to universalism. You seem to want to IGNORE that, or pretend it's not true. However, correctly interpreting "all men" as "all classes of men" (eg. Gentiles as WELL as Jews) is consistent, and doesn't lead to universalism.

                        2) Since Paul concluded in Romans 3 that all have sinned, and that leads to death, Rom. 5 is not the only verse that teaches this, so Rom. 5 doesn't need to be "exhaustive" in scope (which it isn't). In point of fact, if you read Rom. 5:1ff all the way to v. 10 or so (which I already suggested, and you seem to have IGNORED), Rom. 5 is about a CERTAIN group of people who HAVE been justified, so it is NOT about "every single individual".
                        "We are not to understand the other side; we are to discuss to expound the truth." -- A misguided apologist
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                        "The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation,
                        but washes you upon the Rock of Ages."
                        -- Charles Haddon Spurgeon

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Theo1689 View Post

                          Well, two problems:

                          1) Interpreting "all men" as "every single individual" (as you and PG seem to want to do) invariably leads to universalism. You seem to want to IGNORE that, or pretend it's not true. However, correctly interpreting "all men" as "all classes of men" (eg. Gentiles as WELL as Jews) is consistent, and doesn't lead to universalism.
                          The interpretation that God extends His love to all men by making salvation a matter of choice presented to all men does not suggest all men will choose to turn from darkness unto light in order to become partakers of the gift.

                          I am not a NPB-Onlyist (No Perfect Bible Onlyist), nor a NA/UBS-Onlyist. Marke

                          If this book be not infallible, where shall we find infallibility? We have given up the Pope, for he has blundered often and terribly; but we shall not set up instead of him a horde of little popelings fresh from college. C. H. Spurgeon

                          For that Revised Version I have but little care as a general rule, holding it to be by no means an improvement upon our common Authorized Version. C.H. Spurgeon

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by marke View Post

                            The interpretation that God extends His love to all men by making salvation a matter of choice presented to all men does not suggest all men will choose to turn from darkness unto light in order to become partakers of the gift.
                            First of all, your "rendition" isn't the least bit Biblical.

                            Second of all, Rom. 5:18 ACTUALLY says that "the free gift of JUSTIFICATION OF LIFE" came upon all men.

                            It doesn't just say, "His love is extended to all men".
                            It doesn't say, "the free gift of justification of life was merely OFFERED to all men".
                            It says justification was GIVEN to them.
                            And justification means SALVATION.

                            Further, Rom. 5:12-18 is a PARALLEL passage, and you can't claim that justification was merely a "matter of choice", unless you want to ALSO claim that death was ALSO a "matter of choice".
                            "We are not to understand the other side; we are to discuss to expound the truth." -- A misguided apologist
                            --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                            "The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation,
                            but washes you upon the Rock of Ages."
                            -- Charles Haddon Spurgeon

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by PeanutGallery View Post
                              ... the free gift came upon all men ... ; yep, the verse states free gift to all men.

                              All men in Christ.

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