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  • Originally posted by SeventhDay View Post

    That was not called for!

    Let God guide you in all you think, say and do.

    God bless you.

    SeventhDay
    tom replies


    I am not Jesus either and you were still off topic
    Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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    • Originally posted by TomL View Post

      Tom replies

      You are still trying to ignore what these verses say

      1 Timothy 2:4-6 (KJV)
      4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
      5 For
      there is
      one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
      6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
      Please supply two or three witnesses for that there is only one mediator?

      that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
      (Mt 18:16, Deut. 17:6; 19:15; John 8:17; 2 Cor. 13:1).


      .


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      • Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

        Please supply two or three witnesses for that there is only one mediator?

        that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
        (Mt 18:16, Deut. 17:6; 19:15; John 8:17; 2 Cor. 13:1).


        .

        Tom replies

        how many mediators do you believe there are between God and man

        Does scripture point to another mediator of the new covenant

        Hebrews 8:6 (KJV)
        6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.


        Hebrews 9:15 (KJV)
        15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.


        Hebrews 12:24 (KJV)
        24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
        Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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        • Originally posted by TomL View Post

          Tom replies

          You are still trying to ignore what these verses say

          1 Timothy 2:4-6 (KJV)
          4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.


          5 For
          there is
          one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


          6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

          Please supply two or three witnesses for that there is only one mediator?

          that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
          (Mt 18:16, Deut. 17:6; 19:15; John 8:17; 2 Cor. 13:1).
          Originally posted by TomL View Post

          Tom replies

          how many mediators do you believe there are between God and man

          A mediator may be spoken of in a number of different ways,
          often idiomatically, for example,
          one who stands in the middle, one who speaks to both
          [Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996)].


          the Spirit Himself makes intercession
          for us with groanings which cannot be uttered
          (Rom 8:26).

          the Holy Spirit teaches (1 Cor 2:13).

          Paul's word of God is meaningless babble to those who know it all
          and who promote the deception of one mediator.


          .

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          • Originally posted by Conqueror View Post





            A mediator may be spoken of in a number of different ways,
            often idiomatically, for example,
            one who stands in the middle, one who speaks to both
            [Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996)].


            the Spirit Himself makes intercession
            for us with groanings which cannot be uttered
            (Rom 8:26).

            the Holy Spirit teaches (1 Cor 2:13).

            Paul's word of God is meaningless babble to those who know it all
            and who promote the deception of one mediator.


            .
            Tom replies

            No verse states the Holy Spirit is the mediator of salvation between God and man

            You argue based on faulty understanding

            Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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            • Originally posted by TomL View Post

              1 Timothy 2:4-6 (KJV)
              4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
              5 For
              there is
              one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
              6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

              Originally posted by TomL View Post

              Tom replies

              No verse states the Holy Spirit is the mediator of salvation between God and man

              You argue based on faulty understanding
              Salvation would be quickly lost without the Holy Spirit,
              who reminds the born-again of all that Jesus taught.

              BTW Wannabe Christians aren't born-again,
              so this truth is lost on them

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              • Originally posted by Conqueror View Post




                Salvation would be quickly lost without the Holy Spirit,
                who reminds the born-again of all that Jesus taught.

                BTW Wannabe Christians aren't born-again,
                so this truth is lost on them
                Tom replies

                once again


                No verse states the Holy Spirit is the mediator of salvation between God and man

                You argue based on faulty understanding

                and you have no scriptural confirmation

                No witnesses no truth
                Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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                • Originally posted by TomL View Post

                  1 Timothy 2:4-6 (KJV)
                  4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
                  5 For
                  there is
                  one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
                  6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
                  Originally posted by TomL View Post

                  Tom replies

                  once again

                  No verse states the Holy Spirit is the mediator of salvation between God and man
                  You argue based on faulty understanding

                  and you have no scriptural confirmation

                  No witnesses no truth
                  The knowledge of the truth
                  comes by the mediation of the Holy Spirit
                  for Jesus spoke in figures of speech.

                  You have no case as usual.

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                  • Originally posted by Conqueror View Post



                    The knowledge of the truth
                    comes by the mediation of the Holy Spirit
                    for Jesus spoke in figures of speech.

                    You have no case as usual.
                    Tom replies

                    Rather you are without a verse

                    without a witness

                    No verse states the Holy Spirit mediates salvation between God and man

                    That is in Christ alone
                    Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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                    • Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

                      The knowledge of the truth
                      comes by the mediation of the Holy Spirit
                      for Jesus spoke in figures of speech.

                      You have no case as usual.

                      Originally posted by TomL View Post

                      Tom replies

                      Rather you are without a verse

                      without a witness
                      But the Helper, the Holy Spirit,
                      whom the Father will send in My name,
                      He will teach you all things,
                      and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you
                      (Jn 14:26).

                      That included salvation.

                      But the obstinate can do without
                      the mediation of the Holy Spirit
                      and insist that Jesus was the only mediator.




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                      • Originally posted by Conqueror View Post





                        But the Helper, the Holy Spirit,
                        whom the Father will send in My name,
                        He will teach you all things,
                        and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you
                        (Jn 14:26).

                        That included salvation.

                        But the obstinate can do without
                        the mediation of the Holy Spirit
                        and insist that Jesus was the only mediator.



                        Tom notes

                        You are still without a verse or a witness
                        Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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                        • Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

                          But the Helper, the Holy Spirit,
                          whom the Father will send in My name,
                          He will teach you all things,
                          and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you
                          (Jn 14:26).

                          That included salvation.

                          But the obstinate can do without
                          the mediation of the Holy Spirit
                          and insist that Jesus was the only mediator.


                          Originally posted by TomL View Post

                          Tom notes

                          You are still without a verse or a witness
                          The binding apostolic witness is
                          that the Holy Spirit is another mediator (Jn 14:26).

                          The unregenerate failed to provide
                          a witness for the deception of one mediator.


                          that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
                          (Mt 18:16, Deut. 17:6; 19:15; John 8:17; 2 Cor. 13:1).

                          Case closed, for carnal babble isn't apologetics.


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                          • Originally posted by Conqueror View Post





                            The binding apostolic witness is
                            that the Holy Spirit is another mediator (Jn 14:26).

                            The unregenerate failed to provide
                            a witness for the deception of one mediator.


                            that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
                            (Mt 18:16, Deut. 17:6; 19:15; John 8:17; 2 Cor. 13:1).

                            Case closed, for carnal babble isn't apologetics.


                            .
                            Tom notes

                            You failed to support your claim

                            You produced zero evidence that the Holy spirit mediates salvation between god and man

                            thus your objection to 1Timothy is not well founded

                            Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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                            • Originally posted by Kampioen View Post

                              1Cor 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?

                              Who did Paul say Christ died for specifically in 1Cor 8:11?
                              Evasion and rabbit trail question. Who did Paul specifically say in Eph 5:25 that Christ died for ?

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                              • Originally posted by TomL View Post

                                Tom replies

                                You are still trying to ignore what these verses say


                                Hebrews 2:9 (KJV)
                                9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.


                                1 Timothy 2:4-6 (KJV)
                                4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
                                5 For
                                there is
                                one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
                                6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

                                John 6:51 (KJV)
                                51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

                                you need to be able to harmonize all verses

                                You are not harmonizing them if you ignore them
                                More evasion and rabbit trail. Who did Paul say specifically in Eph 5:25 Christ died for ?

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