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  • Originally posted by SeventhDay View Post

    There was a bug

    I really loved

    but was just

    too small to hug!

    God bless you,

    SeventhDay
    Tom replies



    Tom replies



    repentance comes first

    Acts 2:38 (KJV)
    38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    Ezekiel 18:30-31 (KJV)
    30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn
    yourselves
    from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
    31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
    Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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    • Originally posted by TomL View Post

      Tom replies



      Tom replies



      repentance comes first

      Acts 2:38 (KJV)
      38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

      Ezekiel 18:30-31 (KJV)
      30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn
      yourselves
      from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
      31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
      I still love my persistent bug and hope grows bigger but how hard should I hug him!

      God bless you,

      SeventhDay

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      • Originally posted by SeventhDay View Post

        I still love my persistent bug and hope grows bigger but how hard should I hug him!

        God bless you,

        SeventhDay


        repentance comes first

        Acts 2:38 (KJV)

        38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

        Ezekiel 18:30-31 (KJV)

        30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn
        yourselves
        from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.

        31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
        Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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        • Originally posted by TomL View Post



          repentance comes first

          Acts 2:38 (KJV)

          38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

          Ezekiel 18:30-31 (KJV)

          30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn
          yourselves
          from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.

          31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
          I hope I do not get tired of my persistent brother in Christ. I might just learn something if I am patient as God works through him.

          But I am getting slee.............................................. .................................................. .................py!

          God bless you,

          SeventhDay

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          • Originally posted by SeventhDay View Post

            I hope I do not get tired of my persistent brother in Christ. I might just learn something if I am patient as God works through him.

            But I am getting slee.............................................. .................................................. .................py!

            God bless you,

            SeventhDay

            repentance comes first

            Acts 2:38 (KJV)

            38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

            Ezekiel 18:30-31 (KJV)

            30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn
            yourselves
            from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.

            31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
            Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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            • Originally posted by TomL View Post


              repentance comes first

              Acts 2:38 (KJV)
              38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


              Ezekiel 18:30-31 (KJV)
              30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn

              yourselves
              from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
              31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
              What Tom is still pestering me but means well! However, I think I will go back to bed and worry about you later!

              Tell a Leopard to change his spots and see how far that gets never mind that the leopard can not understand what you are saying!


              God bless you,

              SeventhDay

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              • Originally posted by SeventhDay View Post

                What Tom is still pestering me but means well! However, I think I will go back to bed and worry about you later!

                Tell a Leopard to change his spots and see how far that gets never mind that the leopard can not understand what you are saying!


                God bless you,

                SeventhDay
                Tom replies

                Will you believe what God has stated or not

                Ezekiel 18:30-31 (KJV)
                30
                Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn
                yourselves
                from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
                31
                Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

                Acts 2:38 (KJV)
                38
                Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
                Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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                • Originally posted by TomL View Post

                  Tom replies

                  The spirit

                  The Spirit was given so that

                  Ezekiel 36:27 (KJV)
                  27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


                  repentance precedes both a new heart and the Spirit

                  Ezekiel 18:30-31 (KJV)
                  30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
                  31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

                  Acts 2:38 (KJV)
                  38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

                  The order in verse 26 is what again? I missed your answer.

                  Repentance precedes the giving of the new heart? Does it? Show me. Chapter and verse. Show me where repentance comes from a heart of stone. This should be entertaining

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                  • Originally posted by reformedguy View Post

                    The order in verse 26 is what again? I missed your answer.

                    Repentance precedes the giving of the new heart? Does it? Show me. Chapter and verse. Show me where repentance comes from a heart of stone. This should be entertaining
                    Tom replies

                    Haven't you been reading ? I have posted this dozens of time

                    Ezekiel 18:30-31 (KJV)
                    30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
                    31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

                    Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

                    Comment


                    • Originally posted by TomL View Post

                      Tom replies

                      Haven't you been reading ? I have posted this dozens of time

                      Ezekiel 18:30-31 (KJV)
                      30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
                      31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
                      Have I been reading?? LOL Please Tom. Give us the order in Ezekiel 36:26 and 27. Which comes first the new heart or the Spirit

                      Oh and those verses I asked for as well. Repentance comes from a heart of stone. Repentance comes before the giving of the new heart. CHAPTER AND VERSE IF YOU WOULD PLEASE

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                      • Originally posted by reformedguy View Post

                        Have I been reading?? LOL Please Tom. Give us the order in Ezekiel 36:26 and 27. Which comes first the new heart or the Spirit

                        Oh and those verses I asked for as well. Repentance comes from a heart of stone. Repentance comes before the giving of the new heart. CHAPTER AND VERSE IF YOU WOULD PLEASE
                        Tom replies

                        You are dodging Ezek 36 does not mention repentance

                        Ezek 18 does

                        Ezekiel 18:30-31 (KJV)
                        30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
                        31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

                        as does

                        Acts 2:38 (KJV)
                        38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

                        so repentance preceded a new heart and the giving of the Spirit

                        finally is through the giving of the Spirit (after repentance) one

                        Ezekiel 36:27 (KJV)
                        27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

                        Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

                        Comment


                        • Originally posted by TomL View Post

                          Tom replies

                          You are dodging Ezek 36 does not mention repentance

                          Ezek 18 does

                          Ezekiel 18:30-31 (KJV)
                          30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
                          31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

                          as does

                          Acts 2:38 (KJV)
                          38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

                          so repentance preceded a new heart and the giving of the Spirit

                          finally is through the giving of the Spirit (after repentance) one

                          Ezekiel 36:27 (KJV)
                          27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
                          Never said it mentioned repentance. Repentance would be covered under commands, decrees, statutes or ordinances until you in your infinite wisdom give me a reason why it shouldn't be and if it shouldn't be then what is it?? Why do you suppose spirit is not capitalized in Ezekiel 18?

                          The order in Ezekiel? Will it be much longer?

                          Acts 2:38 does not mention the giving of a new heart. Good effort though. What else do you have?


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                          • Originally posted by reformedguy View Post

                            Never said it mentioned repentance. Repentance would be covered under commands, decrees, statutes or ordinances until you in your infinite wisdom give me a reason why it shouldn't be and if it shouldn't be then what is it?? Why do you suppose spirit is not capitalized in Ezekiel 18?

                            The order in Ezekiel? Will it be much longer?

                            Acts 2:38 does not mention the giving of a new heart. Good effort though. What else do you have?

                            Tom replies

                            That is what the op is about.

                            repentance precedes the giving of a new a heart and the Spirit

                            Ezek 36 does not mention repentance

                            Ezek 18 does

                            Ezekiel 18:30-31 (KJV)
                            30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn
                            yourselves
                            from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
                            31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

                            as does

                            Acts 2:38 (KJV)
                            38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

                            so repentance preceded a new heart and the giving of the Spirit

                            finally is through the giving of the Spirit (after repentance) one

                            Ezekiel 36:27 (KJV)
                            27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do
                            them
                            .
                            Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

                            Comment


                            • Originally posted by TomL View Post

                              Tom replies

                              That is what the op is about.

                              repentance precedes the giving of a new a heart and the Spirit

                              Ezek 36 does not mention repentance

                              Ezek 18 does

                              Ezekiel 18:30-31 (KJV)
                              30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn
                              yourselves
                              from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
                              31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

                              as does

                              Acts 2:38 (KJV)
                              38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

                              so repentance preceded a new heart and the giving of the Spirit

                              finally is through the giving of the Spirit (after repentance) one

                              Ezekiel 36:27 (KJV)
                              27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do
                              them
                              .
                              Ezekiel 18 is not referring to the Holy Spirit hence spirit is not capitalized. Fail number 1

                              You have not given me the order in Ezekiel 36 26 and 27 other than to leave off verse 26 again. Fail number 2 The order given please if you would.

                              Acts 2:38 does not mention the giving of the new heart. Tom inserts it there out of desperation. Fail number 3

                              Fail number 4 and 5, No answer to my question where it says repentance comes from a heart of stone and that it precedes the giving of a new heart.

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                              • Originally posted by reformedguy View Post

                                Ezekiel 18 is not referring to the Holy Spirit hence spirit is not capitalized. Fail number 1

                                You have not given me the order in Ezekiel 36 26 and 27 other than to leave off verse 26 again. Fail number 2 The order given please if you would.

                                Acts 2:38 does not mention the giving of the new heart. Tom inserts it there out of desperation. Fail number 3

                                Fail number 4 and 5, No answer to my question where it says repentance comes from a heart of stone and that it precedes the giving of a new heart.

                                Tom replies

                                Sorry you are off topic and your argument makes no sense

                                This op concerns the order of a giving of a new heart and Spirit in reference to repentancer


                                repentance precedes the giving of a new a heart and the Spirit


                                Ezek 36 does not mention repentance


                                Ezek 18 does

                                Ezekiel 18:30-31 (KJV)

                                30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn
                                yourselves
                                from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.

                                31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?


                                as does

                                Acts 2:38 (KJV)

                                38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


                                so repentance preceded a new heart and the giving of the Spirit


                                finally is through the giving of the Spirit (after repentance) one

                                Ezekiel 36:27 (KJV)

                                27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do
                                them

                                It is ac useless argument to say Acts 2:38 does not mention the new heart Ezek 18 did

                                It is equally useless to say Ezek 18 is not speaking of the spirit when Acts 2:38 did

                                Your so called failed 1 & 3 amount to nothing

                                The fact I have no obligation to respond to your topic comment shows your so falled fail # 2 is also nothing

                                Numbers 4 & 5 is the same I owe you nothing

                                My point is repentance precedes the new heart and the giving of the spirit

                                that has been established and you have offered nothing to contradict that

                                .
                                Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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