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  • Calvinists can tell the difference... can you?

    Where does the Bible teach that “”mans choice is free””?

    Where does the Bible teach that “”mans will is free””?
    2 Timothy 2:24-26

  • #2
    Beresheit

    p.s. No, I don't think 'they' can tell the difference, nor the same.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sketo View Post
      Where does the Bible teach that “”mans choice is free””?

      Where does the Bible teach that “”mans will is free””?
      He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him (John 1:11)

      The chosen Israelites didn't receive Jesus,
      but Esau's descendants; the imaginary chosen Calvinists
      were grafted into the vine by their imaginary election.



      You search the Scriptures,
      for in them you think you have eternal life;
      and these are they which testify of Me.
      But you are NOT WILLING to come to Me
      that you may have life
      (John 5:39-40).



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      • #4
        Originally posted by Conqueror View Post
        He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him (John 1:11)

        The chosen Israelites didn't receive Jesus,
        but Esau's descendants; the imaginary chosen Calvinists
        were grafted into the vine by their imaginary election.


        You search the Scriptures,
        for in them you think you have eternal life;
        and these are they which testify of Me.
        But you are NOT WILLING to come to Me
        that you may have life
        (John 5:39-40)
        .
        And this proves what exactly???
        2 Timothy 2:24-26

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

          He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him (John 1:11)

          The chosen Israelites didn't receive Jesus,
          but Esau's descendants; the imaginary chosen Calvinists
          were grafted into the vine by their imaginary election.


          You search the Scriptures,
          for in them you think you have eternal life;
          and these are they which testify of Me.
          But you are NOT WILLING to come to Me
          that you may have life
          (John 5:39-40)
          Originally posted by Sketo View Post

          And this proves what exactly???
          God's chosen Israelites had the ability to reject the Lord Jesus,
          which is evidence of their free will and subsequent choice

          but the descendants of Esau,
          who chose to sell his birthright;
          the Calvinists had no choice other than to receive life.

          Now pull my other leg.



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          Last edited by Conqueror; 02-14-19, 10:47 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Conqueror View Post
            God's chosen Israelites had the ability to reject the Lord Jesus,
            which is evidence of their free will and subsequent choice

            but the descendants of Esau,
            who chose to sell his birthright;
            the Calvinists had no choice other than to receive life.

            Now pull my other leg.
            .
            Ok... and now on to question 2...

            ... other leg pulled!
            2 Timothy 2:24-26

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

              He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him (John 1:11)

              The chosen Israelites didn't receive Jesus,
              but Esau's descendants; the imaginary chosen Calvinists
              were grafted into the vine by their imaginary election.


              You search the Scriptures,
              for in them you think you have eternal life;
              and these are they which testify of Me.
              But you are NOT WILLING to come to Me
              that you may have life
              (John 5:39-40)
              Originally posted by Sketo View Post

              And this proves what exactly???
              God's chosen Israelites had the ability to reject the Lord Jesus,
              which is evidence of their free will and subsequent choice

              but the descendants of Esau,
              who chose to sell his birthright;
              the Calvinists had no choice other than to receive life.

              Now pull my other leg.
              Originally posted by Sketo View Post

              Ok... and now on to question 2...

              ... other leg pulled!

              He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him (John 1:11)

              His own people chose not to receive the Lord Jesus.


              And all the people answered and said,
              “His blood be on us and on our children.”
              (Mat 27:25).

              Those Israelites were the omnipotent MANIPULATOR's ventriloquist dolls.









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              • #8
                Originally posted by Conqueror View Post
                He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him (John 1:11)

                His own people chose not to receive the Lord Jesus.


                And all the people answered and said,
                “His blood be on us and on our children.”
                (Mat 27:25).

                Those Israelites were the omnipotent MANIPULATOR's ventriloquist dolls.
                So... your point is what? Are you answering both questions? Or just one? Or ....?!?
                2 Timothy 2:24-26

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

                  He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him (John 1:11)

                  His own people chose not to receive the Lord Jesus.


                  And all the people answered and said,
                  “His blood be on us and on our children.”
                  (Mat 27:25).

                  Those Israelites were the omnipotent MANIPULATOR's ventriloquist dolls.
                  Originally posted by Sketo View Post

                  So... your point is what? Are you answering both questions? Or just one? Or ....?!?
                  Edit per mod. must manipulate his ventriloquist dolls to act dumb,
                  when their deception is exposed.



                  Prove that the Israelites had no free speech.
                  Remember that they were God's chosen people
                  therefore they cannot have been Totally Depraved.


                  Last edited by Mod20; 02-23-19, 02:17 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Conqueror View Post
                    The Calvo god must manipulate his ventriloquist dolls to act dumb,
                    when their deception is exposed.



                    Prove that the Israelites had no free speech.
                    Remember that they were God's chosen people
                    therefore they cannot have been Totally Depraved.
                    Ok... ummm... well... you get a participation trophy at least! Thank you for playing!
                    2 Timothy 2:24-26

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

                      The Calvo god must manipulate his ventriloquist dolls to act dumb,
                      when their deception is exposed.



                      Prove that the Israelites had no free speech.
                      Remember that they were God's chosen people
                      therefore they cannot have been Totally Depraved.
                      Originally posted by Sketo View Post

                      Ok... ummm... well... you get a participation trophy at least! Thank you for playing!
                      I don't play the game of deceiving people by telling them,
                      that they lack free will and that God will condemn them
                      for their inability to believe in the sacrifice that sets them free.


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sketo View Post
                        Where does the Bible teach that “”mans choice is free””?

                        Where does the Bible teach that “”mans will is free””?
                        I don't reckon the Bible tells us we have a Free Will. The best we can do to find out if Free Will is Biblical is through the use of Systematic Theology instead. There is a freedom of the Will somewhere between %100 Free and %100 Bound...

                        The result of our Will only being a percentage Free, results in our not being free to choose the ultimate Good which would require %100 Freedom of the Will...
                        New-Protestant Reformation ~ Dec 2009 - ____

                        I'm a Christian. An Evangelical, Reformed, Independent Fundamental Baptist; a New Calvinist...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sketo View Post
                          Where does the Bible teach that “”mans choice is free””?

                          Where does the Bible teach that “”mans will is free””?
                          Deuteronomy 30:11-19 (NIV2011)
                          11 Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach.
                          12 It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, “Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?”
                          13 Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, “Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?”
                          14 No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.
                          15 See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction.
                          16 For I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in obedience to him, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess.
                          17 But if your heart turns away and you are not obedient, and if you are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them,
                          18 I declare to you this day that you will certainly be destroyed. You will not live long in the land you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess.
                          19 This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live

                          and referenced vs 6-8

                          Romans 10:6-13 (NIV2011)
                          6 But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down)
                          7 “or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).
                          8 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim:
                          9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
                          10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
                          11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”
                          12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,
                          13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
                          Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Conqueror View Post
                            I don't play the game of deceiving people by telling them, that they lack free will and that God will condemn them

                            for their inability to believe in the sacrifice that sets them free.

                            The term “free will” is nonspecific to what the will is free from, therefore if someone uses it to mean something that the definition doesn’t allow, then that someone is deceiving!


                            You don’t just flip-a-coin to make decisions do you? No! There is an internal faculty within you that works out the willing choice finally settled upon. The will does not exist independently from this faculty... it’s a part of it!


                            So does the term “free will” mean...


                            that the will is free from the mind?

                            that the will is free from the flesh?

                            that the will is free from the heart?

                            that the will is free from the spirit?

                            that the will is free from the power of sin?

                            that the will is free from mans nature?

                            that the will is free from the any influence at all?


                            You see the term “free will” has a very specific meaning only pertaining to external force causing an unwilling decision! The term does not mean that the will is free from everything! So if you use it to mean something outside of the scope of the definition, then you would be deceiving someone into believing they have something that they don’t!

                            So when you use the term “free will”... are you saying that mans will is free from his nature?
                            2 Timothy 2:24-26

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sketo View Post


                              You see the term “free will” has a very specific meaning only pertaining to external force causing an unwilling decision!

                              For if when we were enemies
                              we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son ....
                              (Rom 5:10)

                              There is no case for Total Depravity, when the death of Jesus
                              restored God's relationship with men like it was before the fall.

                              The decision to turn to Jesus cannot be influenced by sin,
                              for the cross dealt with that.


                              For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell,
                              and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him,
                              whether things on earth or things in heaven,
                              having made peace through the blood of His cross
                              (Col 1:19-20).

                              It is easy to turn to Jesus, when there is peace.

                              But you are NOT WILLING to come to Me that you may have life (Jn 5:40).



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