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Total Depravity is absurd, when the death of Jesus reconciled his unbelieving enemies

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

    That Buddhist was reconciled to God
    through the sufficient sacrifice of Jesus
    and can therefore call on God to be saved.

    Romans 10:13 (NKJV)

    For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

    Originally posted by Calsgal View Post

    You can not call on the name if you do not know it.. .
    a person, with the possible implication of existence
    or relevance as individuals [Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996)]


    Calling on the person of God to acknowledge
    that He exists is all that is needed.

    Remember that the Buddhist was reconciled.

    .
    For if when we were enemies
    we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son
    .... (Rom 5:10)

    Originally posted by Calsgal View Post

    How RC of you

    "Romans10:14 How then can they call on the One in whom they have not believed? And how can they believe in the One of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone to preach? 15And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”


    But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed:
    “Their sound has gone out to all the earth,
    And their words to the ends of the world.”
    (Rom 10:18)

    But Isaiah is very bold and says:
    “I was found by those who did not seek Me;
    I was made manifest to those who did not ask for Me.”
    (Rom 10:20)



    .
    No need for the two prophets (Rev 11) to correct the born-again, if they weren't intoxicated on the Roman harlotry of adding to the FOUNDATIONAL apostles and prophets.
    Get rid of the dross in the Roman Canon - Raise My Word to the HIGHEST place

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Conqueror View Post










      But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed:
      “Their sound has gone out to all the earth,
      And their words to the ends of the world.”
      (Rom 10:18)


      19I ask instead: Did Israel not understand? First, Moses says: “I will make you jealous by those who are not a nation; I will make you angry by a nation without understanding.”…

      20 And Isaiah boldly says:

      “I was found by those who did not seek Me;

      I revealed Myself to those who did not ask for Me.”


      Wonderful election quote Huh?

      Actually one of my favorites..


      Have I now become your enemy because I tell you the truth ? Gal 4:16

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Calsgal View Post



        20 And Isaiah boldly says:

        “I was found by those who did not seek Me;

        I revealed Myself to those who did not ask for Me.”


        Wonderful election quote Huh?

        Actually one of my favorites..

        Who did the finding?

        So much for that wonderful 'election' interpretation.

        An atheist who seeks answers,
        will find that Jesus reveals Himself.


        .
        No need for the two prophets (Rev 11) to correct the born-again, if they weren't intoxicated on the Roman harlotry of adding to the FOUNDATIONAL apostles and prophets.
        Get rid of the dross in the Roman Canon - Raise My Word to the HIGHEST place

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Conqueror





          Unbelieving sinners were reconciled.
          Calvinists don't continue in being reconciled
          by turning the Jesus to receive life (John 5:40).

          Their minds are darkened by Calvin's deception,
          that they are Totally Depraved and therefore without a free will.


          You search the Scriptures,
          for in them you think you have eternal life;
          and these are they which testify of Me.
          But you are NOT WILLING to come to Me
          that you may have life
          (John 5:39-40).

          .
          Originally posted by civic View Post
          A changed life by the power of the Holy Spirit is proof positive one is born again and has Eternal Life.
          I remember the abuse, persecution and ridicule,
          by Calvinists who claim to be born-again,

          but who are not willing come to Jesus
          for their deception of Total Depravity prevents them.


          .
          No need for the two prophets (Rev 11) to correct the born-again, if they weren't intoxicated on the Roman harlotry of adding to the FOUNDATIONAL apostles and prophets.
          Get rid of the dross in the Roman Canon - Raise My Word to the HIGHEST place

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Conqueror View Post
            For if when we were enemies
            we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son
            .... (Rom 5:10)

            There can be no case for Total Depravity,
            when the death of Jesus reconciled his unbelieving enemies.

            The Calvo deception has been properly refuted.


            .

            lol, non-sequitur
            The OP deception has been properly refuted.

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            • #21

              Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

              For if when we were enemies
              we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son
              .... (Rom 5:10)

              There can be no case for Total Depravity,
              when the death of Jesus reconciled his unbelieving enemies.

              The Calvo deception has been properly refuted.




              Originally posted by His clay View Post

              lol, non-sequitur
              The OP deception has been properly refuted.
              Reconciliation isn't Total Depravity.

              No need for the two prophets (Rev 11) to correct the born-again, if they weren't intoxicated on the Roman harlotry of adding to the FOUNDATIONAL apostles and prophets.
              Get rid of the dross in the Roman Canon - Raise My Word to the HIGHEST place

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Conqueror View Post





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                [COLOR=#0000CD]Calling on the person of God to acknowledge
                that He exists is all that is needed.
                Chapter and verse for your false assumption above that was claimed that acknowledging God exists equates to salvation.

                hope this helps !!!

                but as we all know it will not ...............
                His true identity as both Lord (κύριος used by the LXX to translate Yahweh) and God (θεός used by the LXX to translate Elohim)netbible John 20:28[In John's writings] Of the approximately 70 instances in which ουτος has a personal referent, as many as 44 of them (almost 2/3) refer to the Son. Of the remainder most imply some sort of positive connection with the Son.What is most significant is that NEVER is the Father the referent. 1 John 5:20, Wallace

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by civic View Post

                  Chapter and verse for your false assumption above that was claimed that acknowledging God exists equates to salvation.

                  hope this helps !!!

                  but as we all know it will not ...............
                  Originally posted by CrowCross View Post
                  “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved....they had come to believe in God.

                  Unitarians and Modalists and their households
                  qualify for salvation in that case.

                  No need for the two prophets (Rev 11) to correct the born-again, if they weren't intoxicated on the Roman harlotry of adding to the FOUNDATIONAL apostles and prophets.
                  Get rid of the dross in the Roman Canon - Raise My Word to the HIGHEST place

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Conqueror View Post




                    Unitarians and Modalists and their households
                    qualify for salvation in that case.
                    As i said in another post...they believe in a non-biblical Jesus.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by CrowCross View Post

                      As i said in another post...they believe in a non-biblical Jesus.
                      She is clueless when it comes to discerning truth from falsehoods, cults from Christianity etc.......

                      Even Jesus said many will call Him Lord Lord and will declare I never knew you workers of iniquity depart from Me to the place prepared for the devil and his angels.

                      If this poster refuses to listen to Jesus she will not listen to a single word we say.

                      I think we have more non Christian cultists / heretics on this forum now then we do real Arminians and Calvinists. It was just the opposite on this forum 10 years ago.
                      His true identity as both Lord (κύριος used by the LXX to translate Yahweh) and God (θεός used by the LXX to translate Elohim)netbible John 20:28[In John's writings] Of the approximately 70 instances in which ουτος has a personal referent, as many as 44 of them (almost 2/3) refer to the Son. Of the remainder most imply some sort of positive connection with the Son.What is most significant is that NEVER is the Father the referent. 1 John 5:20, Wallace

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by CrowCross View Post

                        Acts 16:31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household.”
                        Originally posted by civic View Post


                        Even Jesus said many will call Him Lord Lord and will declare I never knew you workers of iniquity depart from Me to the place prepared for the devil and his angels.
                        Still confused?

                        Calling Jesus 'Lord' doesn't deal with the iniquity.


                        .
                        No need for the two prophets (Rev 11) to correct the born-again, if they weren't intoxicated on the Roman harlotry of adding to the FOUNDATIONAL apostles and prophets.
                        Get rid of the dross in the Roman Canon - Raise My Word to the HIGHEST place

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Conqueror View Post



                          Still confused?

                          Calling Jesus 'Lord' doesn't deal with the iniquity.


                          .
                          What does John 3:16 say?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Conqueror View Post




                            Unitarians and Modalists and their households
                            qualify for salvation in that case.
                            That might depend. A Unitarians or Modalists probably didn't even know what a Unitarians or Modalists was when they got saved. If your saved I'm sure you didn't.
                            The same goes for a Arminians and Calvinists. One can be saved then fall into false doctrine. For example look at you. If you're saved you fell into a lot of false beliefs.

                            On the other hand..if a Modalists explains salvation to an individual and presents their false view of the Godhead..a different Christ..kinda like a JW or mormon presents, there is no salvation in their false Jesus.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by CrowCross View Post

                              Unitarians or Modalists probably didn't even know what a Unitarians or Modalists was when they got saved.
                              Calvinist teaches that the Totally Depraved get saved.


                              .
                              No need for the two prophets (Rev 11) to correct the born-again, if they weren't intoxicated on the Roman harlotry of adding to the FOUNDATIONAL apostles and prophets.
                              Get rid of the dross in the Roman Canon - Raise My Word to the HIGHEST place

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

                                Calvinist teaches that the Totally Depraved get saved.


                                .
                                What is your definition of totally depraved?

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