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Total Depravity is absurd, when the death of Jesus reconciled his unbelieving enemies

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  • Total Depravity is absurd, when the death of Jesus reconciled his unbelieving enemies


    For if when we were enemies
    we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son
    .... (Rom 5:10)

    There can be no case for Total Depravity,
    when the death of Jesus reconciled his unbelieving enemies.

    The Calvo deception has been properly refuted.


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  • Conqueror
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    Originally posted by cadwell View Post


    Where does the bible teach that our wills are enslaved to sin?

    For if when we were enemies
    we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son ....
    (Rom 5:10)

    There is no case for Total Depravity,
    when the death of Jesus reconciled his unbelieving enemies.




    Provide witnesses for the lack free will of those,
    who
    were reconciled to God through the death of His Son


    that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
    (Mt 18:16, Deut. 17:6; 19:15; John 8:17; 2 Cor. 13:1).


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  • Conqueror
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    Originally posted by Conqueror View Post
    For if when we were enemies
    we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son
    .... (Rom 5:10)

    There can be no case for Total Depravity,
    when the death of Jesus reconciled his unbelieving enemies.

    The Calvo deception has been properly refuted.


    Reconciled to God (Rom 5:10) cannot possibly mean Totally Depraved.
    Originally posted by His clay View Post

    You have failed to answer the question. Restated: Also, where was it asserted that "reconciliation" was "total depravity"?
    Yes, the Bible, Arminianism, and Calvinism all hold to total depravity; and they hold to reconciliation; and they hold them to be distinct.



    Please supply apostolic witness,
    which states that those, who
    are reconciled to God
    through the death of His Son
    are Totally Depraved?



    that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
    (Mt 18:16, Deut. 17:6; 19:15; John 8:17; 2 Cor. 13:1).




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  • His clay
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    Originally posted by Conqueror View Post




    Total Depravity, instead of having been
    reconciled to God is the Calvinist understanding.


    All that is required is; to prove Paul wrong
    to maintain the Calvinistic deception.

    Good luck with that.



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    You have failed to answer the question. Restated: Also, where was it asserted that "reconciliation" was "total depravity"?
    Yes, the Bible, Arminianism, and Calvinism all hold to total depravity; and they hold to reconciliation; and they hold them to be distinct.
    Your response fails to state where it was asserted that "reconciliation" was "total depravity".
    Hence, you still have repeated a straw man fallacy.

    You have also failed to deal with the prior material, so it bears repeating.

    And since the previous post was dodged again, then it bears repeating.
    Failure to answer the questions and to deal with the issues raised. Dodge.
    Who ever said that it was your theology? Straw man fallacy noted.
    You made assertions and statements, and therefore you have to back them up, rather than passing the buck.
    Your passage says otherwise. It says that we "were enemies." Are you saying that they are not enemies, contrary to the scripture you just quoted?
    Also, where was it asserted that "reconciliation" was "total depravity"?
    You failed to address the previous question, which constituted your straw man fallacy.
    The opening post deception has been properly refuted.

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  • Conqueror
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    Originally posted by Conqueror View Post
    For if when we were enemies
    we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son
    .... (Rom 5:10)

    There can be no case for Total Depravity,
    when the death of Jesus reconciled his unbelieving enemies.

    The Calvo deception has been properly refuted.





    Reconciled to God (Rom 5:10) cannot possibly mean Totally Depraved.
    Originally posted by His clay View Post


    Also, where was it asserted that "reconciliation" was "total depravity"?

    Total Depravity, instead of having been
    reconciled to God is the Calvinist understanding.


    All that is required is; to prove Paul wrong
    to maintain the Calvinistic deception.

    Good luck with that.



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  • His clay
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    Originally posted by Conqueror View Post





    Reconciled to God (Rom 5:10) cannot possibly mean Totally Depraved.


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    Straw man. Where did anyone assert that being "reconciled to God" means "totally depraved"?
    You just recycled a previous fallacy. Did you notice how you never addressed the previous question highlighted in blue. Congrats!

    Your scripture does not match your previous claim. Failure noted.

    And since the previous post was dodged again, then it bears repeating.
    Failure to answer the questions and to deal with the issues raised. Dodge.
    Who ever said that it was your theology? Straw man fallacy noted.
    You made assertions and statements, and therefore you have to back them up, rather than passing the buck.
    Your passage says otherwise. It says that we "were enemies." Are you saying that they are not enemies, contrary to the scripture you just quoted?
    Also, where was it asserted that "reconciliation" was "total depravity"?
    You failed to address the previous question, which constituted your straw man fallacy.
    The opening post deception has been properly refuted.

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  • Conqueror
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    Originally posted by Conqueror View Post
    For if when we were enemies
    we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son
    .... (Rom 5:10)

    There can be no case for Total Depravity,
    when the death of Jesus reconciled his unbelieving enemies.

    The Calvo deception has been properly refuted.


    Originally posted by His clay View Post
    Where's the scripture? Scripture>opinion

    Opinion noted ............

    The opening post deception has been properly refuted.

    Reconciled to God (Rom 5:10) cannot possibly mean Totally Depraved.


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  • His clay
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    Originally posted by Conqueror

    The inhabitants of the world, who were reconciled to God
    by the salvific sacrifice on the cross cannot be totally depraved
    for they only have to declare their faith in that saving grace.
    falsified opinion noted

    The OBSTINATE, who reject the gospel have darkened minds as a result.
    Where's the scripture? Scripture>opinion

    What God does through me is to very effectively expose Calvinism.
    Opinion noted, but falsified by repeated avoidance, straw man fallacies, non-sequiturs, etc.
    The opening post deception has been properly refuted.

    And since the previous post was dodged again, then it bears repeating.
    Failure to answer the questions and to deal with the issues raised. Dodge.
    Who ever said that it was your theology? Straw man fallacy noted.
    You made assertions and statements, and therefore you have to back them up, rather than passing the buck.
    Your passage says otherwise. It says that we "were enemies." Are you saying that they are not enemies, contrary to the scripture you just quoted?
    Also, where was it asserted that "reconciliation" was "total depravity"?
    You failed to address the previous question, which constituted your straw man fallacy.
    The opening post deception has been properly refuted.
    Last edited by His clay; 02-21-19, 01:17 AM.

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  • His clay
    replied
    Originally posted by Conqueror View Post




    It isn't my theology, that God's enemies
    who were reconciled on the cross were totally depraved.


    Deal with it rather than blame me.


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    Failure to answer the questions and to deal with the issues raised. Dodge.
    Who ever said that it was your theology? Straw man fallacy noted.
    You made assertions and statements, and therefore you have to back them up, rather than passing the buck.
    Your passage says otherwise. It says that we "were enemies." Are you saying that they are not enemies, contrary to the scripture you just quoted?
    Also, where was it asserted that "reconciliation" was "total depravity"?
    You failed to address the previous question, which constituted your straw man fallacy.
    The opening post deception has been properly refuted.

    Leave a comment:


  • Conqueror
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    Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

    Confused again?

    A person, who is reconciled to God
    and only has to declare his faith in that saving fact, cannot be totally depraved.


    For if when we were enemies
    we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son
    .... (Rom 5:10).

    Originally posted by His clay View Post

    Your passage says otherwise. It says that we "were enemies." Are you saying that they are not enemies, contrary to the scripture you just quoted?
    Also, where was it asserted that "reconciliation" was "total depravity"?
    You failed to address the previous question, which constituted your straw man fallacy.
    The opening post deception has been properly refuted.
    It isn't my theology, that God's enemies
    who were reconciled on the cross were totally depraved.


    Deal with it rather than blame me.


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  • His clay
    replied
    Originally posted by Conqueror View Post



    Confused again?

    A person, who is reconciled to God
    and only has to declare his faith in that saving fact, cannot be totally depraved.


    For if when we were enemies
    we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son
    .... (Rom 5:10).


    .
    Your passage says otherwise. It says that we "were enemies." Are you saying that they are not enemies, contrary to the scripture you just quoted?
    Also, where was it asserted that "reconciliation" was "total depravity"?
    You failed to address the previous question, which constituted your straw man fallacy.
    The opening post deception has been properly refuted.

    Leave a comment:


  • Conqueror
    replied
    Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

    For if when we were enemies
    we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son
    .... (Rom 5:10)

    There can be no case for Total Depravity,
    when the death of Jesus reconciled his unbelieving enemies.

    The Calvo deception has been properly refuted.






    Reconciliation isn't Total Depravity.
    Originally posted by His clay View Post

    Straw man fallacy,
    Where was it asserted that "reconciliation" was "total depravity"?
    The opening post deception has been properly refuted.
    Confused again?

    A person, who is reconciled to God
    and only has to declare his faith in that saving fact, cannot be totally depraved.


    For if when we were enemies
    we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son
    .... (Rom 5:10).


    .

    Leave a comment:


  • His clay
    replied
    Originally posted by Conqueror View Post
    Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

    For if when we were enemies
    we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son
    .... (Rom 5:10)

    There can be no case for Total Depravity,
    when the death of Jesus reconciled his unbelieving enemies.

    The Calvo deception has been properly refuted.






    Reconciliation isn't Total Depravity.
    Straw man fallacy,
    Where was it asserted that "reconciliation" was "total depravity"?
    The opening post deception has been properly refuted.

    Leave a comment:


  • CrowCross
    replied
    Originally posted by Conqueror View Post

    Calvinist teaches that the Totally Depraved get saved.


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    What is your definition of totally depraved?

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  • Conqueror
    replied
    Originally posted by CrowCross View Post

    Unitarians or Modalists probably didn't even know what a Unitarians or Modalists was when they got saved.
    Calvinist teaches that the Totally Depraved get saved.


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