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The Power of God's word to enlighten and save

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  • The Power of God's word to enlighten and save

    John 20:31

    But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

    Romans 1:16

    For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    2 Timothy 3:15–16

    15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

    Romans 10:17

    17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

    Ephesians 3:4

    Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
    Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

  • #2
    What’s your point ?
    His true identity as both Lord (κύριος used by the LXX to translate Yahweh) and God (θεός used by the LXX to translate Elohim)netbible John 20:28[In John's writings] Of the approximately 70 instances in which ουτος has a personal referent, as many as 44 of them (almost 2/3) refer to the Son. Of the remainder most imply some sort of positive connection with the Son.What is most significant is that NEVER is the Father the referent. 1 John 5:20, Wallace

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    • #3
      Originally posted by civic View Post
      What’s your point ?
      I know, right?

      I was considering simply responding with, "Amen!", since all Calvinists believe every verse of Scripture, and all he did was quote Scripture.

      I have an app on my phone that quotes Bible verses every day.
      We really don't need someone quoting random verses here as well.
      "We are not to understand the other side; we are to discuss to expound the truth." -- A misguided apologist
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      "The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation,
      but washes you upon the Rock of Ages."
      -- Charles Haddon Spurgeon

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Theo1689 View Post

        I know, right?

        I was considering simply responding with, "Amen!", since all Calvinists believe every verse of Scripture, and all he did was quote Scripture.

        I have an app on my phone that quotes Bible verses every day.
        We really don't need someone quoting random verses here as well.
        Exactly !
        His true identity as both Lord (κύριος used by the LXX to translate Yahweh) and God (θεός used by the LXX to translate Elohim)netbible John 20:28[In John's writings] Of the approximately 70 instances in which ουτος has a personal referent, as many as 44 of them (almost 2/3) refer to the Son. Of the remainder most imply some sort of positive connection with the Son.What is most significant is that NEVER is the Father the referent. 1 John 5:20, Wallace

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        • #5
          Originally posted by civic View Post
          What’s your point ?
          tom replies

          Have you thought about it ?

          Is the gospel enough to save anyone of itself ?
          Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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          • #6
            Originally posted by TomL View Post

            tom replies

            Have you thought about it ?

            Is the gospel enough to save anyone of itself ?
            The Gospel message is a means. Jesus saves.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Servant of the Lord View Post

              The Gospel message is a means. Jesus saves.
              Wow, just wow...………………...
              It is fundamentally necessary and healthy for Christians to acknowledge that God foreknows nothing uncertainly, but that He foresees, purposes, and does all things according to His own immutable, eternal and infallible will. This bombshell knocks "free-will" flat…

              Martin Luther The Bondage of the Will

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Beloved Daughter View Post

                Wow, just wow...………………...
                According to your theology 'election' is the means of salvation.
                1Peter 1:18,19 Redeemed ... with the precious blood of Christ

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by PeanutGallery View Post

                  According to your theology 'election' is the means of salvation.
                  It's not my theology. It's what the Bible teaches.

                  John 6:37-39English Standard Version (ESV)

                  37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.



                  John 6:44English Standard Version (ESV)

                  44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.



                  Romans 9:14-24English Standard Version (ESV)

                  14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion,[a] but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

                  19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?



                  Ephesians 1:3-11English Standard Version (ESV)

                  Spiritual Blessings in Christ

                  3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us[a] for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known[b] to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

                  11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,



                  Romans 8:28-30English Standard Version (ESV)

                  28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good,[a] for those who are called according to his purpose. 29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.



                  Ephesians 2:8-10English Standard Version (ESV)

                  8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.



                  Acts 13:48English Standard Version (ESV)

                  48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.



                  Colossians 2:13English Standard Version (ESV)

                  13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,



                  Titus 3:5English Standard Version (ESV)

                  5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,



                  1 Peter 1:3English Standard Version (ESV)

                  Born Again to a Living Hope

                  3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,



                  2 Timothy 2:25English Standard Version (ESV)

                  25 correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,



                  Ezekiel 36:25-26English Standard Version (ESV)

                  25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. 26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.



                  Deuteronomy 30:6English Standard Version (ESV)

                  6 And the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your offspring, so that you will love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live.










                  It is fundamentally necessary and healthy for Christians to acknowledge that God foreknows nothing uncertainly, but that He foresees, purposes, and does all things according to His own immutable, eternal and infallible will. This bombshell knocks "free-will" flat…

                  Martin Luther The Bondage of the Will

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Servant of the Lord View Post

                    The Gospel message is a means. Jesus saves.
                    Tom replies

                    Yes When one believes

                    Romans 10:17 (KJV 1900)
                    17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
                    Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TomL View Post

                      Tom replies

                      Yes When one believes

                      Romans 10:17 (KJV 1900)
                      17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
                      God saves us before we have faith or before he even speaks to us. When God has saved us then God speaks to that new spiritual creation who can hear and receive what God has spoken by faith that comes from the grace of God.

                      Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

                      Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

                      Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

                      Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

                      Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
                      Being quickened out of death is the grace that begins the salvation process not one's faith which he does not have if he has not been quickened.


                      Thus, if you have come to God in any other way then I would question your salvation. No one comes to God unless the Father spiritually draws one and thus God has already started a work in one.

                      God bless you,

                      SeventhDay

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by PeanutGallery View Post

                        According to your theology 'election' is the means of salvation.
                        Incorrect. Salvation is the result.

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                        • #13
                          According to your theology 'election' is the means of salvation.
                          Originally posted by reformedguy View Post

                          Incorrect. Salvation is the result.
                          Salvation is the result of 'election'?

                          1Peter 1:18,19 Redeemed ... with the precious blood of Christ

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by PeanutGallery View Post
                            According to your theology 'election' is the means of salvation.

                            Salvation is the result of 'election'?
                            No, its not the means. I am saved because I have been elected. Faith is the means. Im thinking your not understanding what is meant by "means".

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SeventhDay View Post

                              God saves us before we have faith or before he even speaks to us.
                              God speaks to us through creation testifying, law written in our hearts, conscience bearing witness, Holy Spirit reproving, and the gospel; we either believe or reject the witnesses.


                              Thus, if you have come to God in any other way then I would question your salvation. No one comes to God unless the Father spiritually draws one and thus God has already started a work in one.
                              The Father drew through the prophets and the Law; those who believed the Father were drawn to the Son.
                              1Peter 1:18,19 Redeemed ... with the precious blood of Christ

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