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  • Originally posted by beloved57 View Post

    According to Eph 1:4 when were they chosen in Christ ?
    You addressed nothing

    You can't be in Christ if you don't exist

    You can't be in Christ if you don't believe

    Romans 16:7 (KJV)
    7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

    Romans 8:1 (KJV)
    1
    There is
    therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

    cant walk after the spirit either which means you cannot be in Christ

    .

    Why ?

    Has your theology left you without any answers ?
    Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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    • Originally posted by TomL View Post

      You addressed nothing

      You can't be in Christ if you don't exist

      You can't be in Christ if you don't believe

      Romans 16:7 (KJV)
      7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

      Romans 8:1 (KJV)
      1
      There is
      therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

      cant walk after the spirit either which means you cannot be in Christ

      …………………….

      Why ?

      Has your theology left you without any answers ?
      So you want to continue to evade Eph 1:4 and what it clearly states. According to this verse when were they chosen in Christ ?

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      • Originally posted by beloved57 View Post

        So you want to continue to evade Eph 1:4 and what it clearly states. According to this verse when were they chosen in Christ ?
        Actually that has been addressed many times

        This you never answer


        You can't be in Christ if you don't exist


        You can't be in Christ if you don't believe

        Romans 16:7 (KJV)

        7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

        Romans 8:1 (KJV)
        1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

        cant walk after the spirit either which means you cannot be in Christ
        Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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        • Originally posted by TomL View Post

          Actually that has been addressed many times

          This you never answer


          You can't be in Christ if you don't exist


          You can't be in Christ if you don't believe

          Romans 16:7 (KJV)

          7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

          Romans 8:1 (KJV)
          1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

          cant walk after the spirit either which means you cannot be in Christ
          It has been denied and twisted many times. So when were the Chosen in Christ according to Eph 1:4

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          • Originally posted by beloved57 View Post

            It has been denied and twisted many times. So when were the Chosen in Christ according to Eph 1:4
            Yet again you fail to address anything put to you

            https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/th...55#post6094655

            and just repeat your false claims
            Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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            • Originally posted by SethProton View Post
              Others read the Bible to be saying everyone gets the initial gift of faith. Do you have some verses that talk about that initial faith and who is not given it?
              Please don't use the phrase "for not all have faith" as that has been debated over and over as to what it means. Instead, we want to see the scripture saying that God does NOT give faith to everyone. Or when it says He gives faith, that it specifies exactly who He gives faith to. Please don't fall back on looking 12 verses back and seeing the word "us" and then manufacturing a doctrine based on that. yes, this is the truth that your faith is counted as righteousness. YOUR faith. But can you defend your statement here with a direct quote: Righteousness is applied to the elect as opposed to righteousness is applied to anyone with faith.
              So "us", audience relevance is not important? The "us" are those given a measure of faith. If you cannot concede audience relevance, a basic hermeneutics principle, then we're done here.

              The burden of proof lies with you. Your contention is everyone is given the gift of faith. Glad you see it as a gift. I'm under no obligation to prove a negative. As I asked you before prove your not a rapist. See how that works?

              I don't need the for not all have faith phrase. Romans 12 will work when one fo,lows proper hermeneutics principals.

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              • Originally posted by reformedguy View Post

                So "us", audience relevance is not important? The "us" are those given a measure of faith. If you cannot concede audience relevance, a basic hermeneutics principle, then we're done here.

                The burden of proof lies with you. Your contention is everyone is given the gift of faith. Glad you see it as a gift. I'm under no obligation to prove a negative. As I asked you before prove your not a rapist. See how that works?

                I don't need the for not all have faith phrase. Romans 12 will work when one fo,lows proper hermeneutics principals.
                Seeing as the op concerns the chosen in Christ before the foundatiojn of the earth

                The US in Eph 1:4

                Ephesians 1:1 (KJV)
                1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

                Are the faithful in Christ

                They are not arbitrary men God unconditionally chose to be saved

                Rather God chose the faithful in Christ to be holy and blameless before him and to the adoption as sons

                as for faith God grants the ability to have faith and provides both opportunity and influence for faith but he does not believe for us or irresistibly cause us to

                believe so faith is not something he gives of which man has no part

                It is always man who must actively believe


                Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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                • Originally posted by TomL View Post

                  Yet again you fail to address anything put to you

                  https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/th...55#post6094655

                  and just repeat your false claims
                  Dont need to address rabbit trails. Nothing can change Eph 1:4, so when were they chosen in Christ ?

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                  • Originally posted by TomL View Post

                    Seeing as the op concerns the chosen in Christ before the foundatiojn of the earth

                    The US in Eph 1:4

                    Ephesians 1:1 (KJV)
                    1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

                    Are the faithful in Christ

                    They are not arbitrary men God unconditionally chose to be saved

                    Rather God chose the faithful in Christ to be holy and blameless before him and to the adoption as sons

                    as for faith God grants the ability to have faith and provides both opportunity and influence for faith but he does not believe for us or irresistibly cause us to

                    believe so faith is not something he gives of which man has no part

                    It is always man who must actively believe

                    It does not say they were chosen because they were faithful. The letter is addressed to the faithful, it does not say that is the basis for their selection.

                    No one says He believes for us. Back to the strawmen? Let's see if Seth has anything better.

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                    • Originally posted by reformedguy View Post

                      It does not say they were chosen because they were faithful. The letter is addressed to the faithful, it does not say that is the basis for their selection.

                      No one says He believes for us. Back to the strawmen? Let's see if Seth has anything better.
                      It clearly states he chose us

                      and us is the faithful in Christ

                      What it does not say is he arbitrarily chose some for salvation

                      .

                      Seeing as the op concerns the chosen in Christ before the foundatiojn of the earth

                      The US in Eph 1:4

                      Ephesians 1:1 (KJV)
                      1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

                      Are the faithful in Christ

                      They are not arbitrary men God unconditionally chose to be saved

                      Rather God chose the faithful in Christ to be holy and blameless before him and to the adoption as sons

                      as for faith God grants the ability to have faith and provides both opportunity and influence for faith but he does not believe for us or irresistibly cause us to

                      believe so faith is not something he gives of which man has no part

                      It is always man who must actively believe
                      Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

                      Comment


                      • Originally posted by TomL View Post

                        It clearly states he chose us

                        and us is the faithful in Christ

                        What it does not say is he arbitrarily chose some for salvation

                        …………….

                        Seeing as the op concerns the chosen in Christ before the foundatiojn of the earth

                        The US in Eph 1:4

                        Ephesians 1:1 (KJV)
                        1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

                        Are the faithful in Christ

                        They are not arbitrary men God unconditionally chose to be saved

                        Rather God chose the faithful in Christ to be holy and blameless before him and to the adoption as sons

                        as for faith God grants the ability to have faith and provides both opportunity and influence for faith but he does not believe for us or irresistibly cause us to

                        believe so faith is not something he gives of which man has no part

                        It is always man who must actively believe
                        Paul was writing to the faithful to believers when He wrote Eph 1. That said, when did He write they were chosen in Christ in Eph 1:4

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                        • Originally posted by beloved57 View Post

                          Paul was writing to the faithful to believers when He wrote Eph 1. That said, when did He write they were chosen in Christ in Eph 1:4
                          Already noted multiple times individual men are chosen in Christ when they believe

                          Ephesians 1:13 (KJV)
                          13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


                          Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

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                          • Originally posted by TomL View Post

                            Already noted multiple times individual men are chosen in Christ when they believe

                            Ephesians 1:13 (KJV)
                            13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

                            Its duly noted that Paul was writing to the saints, the faithful ! Now that being said, when did Paul say they were chosen in Christ ?

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                            • Originally posted by beloved57 View Post

                              Its duly noted that Paul was writing to the saints, the faithful ! Now that being said, when did Paul say they were chosen in Christ ?
                              Hello

                              Already noted multiple times individual men are chosen in Christ when they believe

                              Ephesians 1:13 (KJV)
                              13 In whom ye also
                              trusted
                              , after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

                              what did you not understand

                              It appears not only do you not address rebuttal you don't read it either
                              Let God's word speak and everyman be silent

                              Comment


                              • Originally posted by TomL View Post

                                Hello

                                Already noted multiple times individual men are chosen in Christ when they believe

                                Ephesians 1:13 (KJV)
                                13 In whom ye also
                                trusted
                                , after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

                                what did you not understand

                                It appears not only do you not address rebuttal you don't read it either
                                Its duly noted that Paul was writing to believers, the faithful, that He was writing to them who were sealed by the Spirit after believing. Now that said, When were they chosen in Christ according to Paul in Eph 1:4 ?

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