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The Reason for the Preservation of the Jewish race is found in the Bible.

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  • #16
    Originally posted by roby3 View Post
    The Jews were preserved by God, despite themselves, because Godmade promises to Abraham and Jacob about their posterity. Those promises apply to the rest of Israel as well.

    While Israel was punished with captivity, exile, & loss of national ID because of idolatry, the Jews, whose sins exceeded those of Israel, were punished differently. Their punishment has been much-greater than that of israel, but they retained their national ID.

    There are some 13 million Jews in the world today, and I suspect there are many times more Israelis if their true national identity were to be revealed.There are enough of them to populate the whole Promised land, which they WILL do, according to GOD. That land runs from the Mediterranean Sea to the Euphrates River.
    Gal 3:16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings," referring to many, but referring to one, "And to your offspring," who is Christ.

    What part of this verse is so hard to understand? The promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled and they were fulfilled in a person, Jesus Christ. We are not waiting for them to be fulfilled in a people.
    Law makes a demand; Grace makes a provision.

    Grace terrifies legalists.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Hemi View Post

      Yeah, that begins with people like John Hagee who got this false doctrine started and ends with people like you. The promise of God to Abraham is clear and it was to Abraham and a promise of Christ to come and a blessing to the entire world and not limited to Jews who didn't even exist when God made that promise.. Galatians tells us plainly those who belong to Christ are the seed of Abraham and heirs according to the promise.


      God's love for the world is eternal and is so deep He gave His only begotten son to save it from it's sins. Tiny Israel, and Giant China are equally loved by God. He sent His son for all of us.



      No it's not. From one blood came all nations of men.

      And I'm not going to bother repeating your falsehoods and refuting the same thing over and over. You reject the New Covenant, you admitted as much. You reject Abraham's seed and who the heirs of Abraham are. Almost everything you posted is Anti-Christ doctrine.



      I don't want to see John Hagee make more money from people in the Body of Christ, but every Christian ought to read or note what is in the first edition of John Hagree's book, "In Defense Of Israel." Hagee claims that Jesus did not come as the Messiah so we should not expect that the Jews would have recognized Him as the Messiah. I heard him say with my own ears during one of his televised programs that Jews who follow the Mosaic Law are just as saved as any Gentile who follows Christ. Far too many believe this false teacher who is leading many astray.

      Gal 3:16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings," referring to many, but referring to one, "And to your offspring," who is Christ.

      Paul is very clear in this passage that Christ has fulfilled the promises to Abraham. Christ has reconciled everyone to God Almighty, Jew or Gentile. We need only to put our faith in Christ's finished work.
      Law makes a demand; Grace makes a provision.

      Grace terrifies legalists.

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