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  • #46
    Originally posted by TribulationSigns View Post

    Really? According to Jesus:

    John 14:6-7 KJV
    [6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
    [7] If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

    Heard it before.

    harry

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    • #47
      Originally posted by TribulationSigns View Post
      I have observed that with some people there is spiritual insanity over interpretations for Bible Prophecies is taking place here. But what is spiritual insanity?

      Spiritual Insanity is a type of mental impairment or spiritual madness where our thinking becomes unbalanced, unsound and even delusional. It is actually a term "gleaned" from the Scripture where someone has the spirit of Satan wherein they are viewed as not in their right mind, and thus by implication, insane. In Scripture, God uses insanity as a portrait of the unsound or actually unreasonable behavior of the unsaved who are in bondage to the Devil. You've heard people who are struggling with some sin or personal issues, etc., viewed as "those who are struggling with their Demons?". Well, that's not entirely an unbiblical idiom. Because in Scripture physical insanity was used by God as a symbol of one whose mind was spiritually ill or sick, being in bondage to Satan's delusion. God uses man's mental maladies to illustrate they are spiritually fools, simpletons or insanity in Scripture to paint a portrait of those who spiritually do not think or act with sound reasoning. By being deceived by Satan their mind is "not right" as it is a slave to confusion and turmoil. And this is where we get the term "Spiritual Insanity." It is a spiritual disorder of the mind that comes from having a spirit of delusion, a type of spiritual psychosis of those whose mind is not set free in Christ. In Spiritual insanity the truth seems like a lie and what is sound seems unsound, what is right seems wrong, the mind is in total spiritual confusion.

      2nd Timothy 1:7
      • "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."
      The opposite of the sound or sober mind of true Christians is spiritual insanity. It is when the spirit is not right and one's mind is not sober or sound. For example, Christ miraculously healed a man that was insane, which (like all of the physical miracles Christ did) painted this portrait of God's miraculous power to bring healing to the spiritually sick mind through the efficacy of His death and resurrection. For example, the physical miraculous healing of the insane man was a "sign" or token of the Spiritual healing of our spiritual insanity. e.g.:

      Mark 5:1-8
      • "And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.
      • And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
      • Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
      • Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
      • And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
      • But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
      • And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
      • For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit."
      God uses the demon's control over the mind of this man as a picture of mankind before they are set free of bondage to Satan. The man who was "not in his right mind" was an insane man divinely used of Christ as a token of all those in bondage to the Devil and who dwell in the tombs (presence of death) and who are spiritually as a wild and raging beast that cannot be tamed. Christ's healing of this man is illustrative of the power of God to bring the peace of a sound mind to the Spiritually Insane. This man was miraculously healed as a sign to illustrate Christ's miraculous power in salvation.

      Mark 5:15
      • "And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid."
      Here again, we see the possession of the Devil equated to being unsaved and out of his mind, whereas Christ's healing removes the Devil and heals the sin-sick mind. The man was set free of the Devil and given a sober mind, a right mind, the mind of Christ in His blessed hope.

      1st Peter 1:13
      • "Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"
      When we are saved we are Spiritually clothed in the righteousness of Christ and the sober mind is the right mind. A mind where spiritually (in our right mind) the Devil has been cast out of us. In its pragmatic sense, spiritual insanity is the worldly unsound aversion to reconciliation with God, a mindless rejection of receiving the truth and righteousness, a fool's errand to remain in bondage to the Devil and sin. We could just as easily call it a spiritual foolishness or a spiritual delusion, but it's all pointing to the same unsound spiritual condition or disorder.

      2nd Thessalonians 2:9-13
      • "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
      • And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
      • And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
      • That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
      • But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:"
      Spiritual delusion or spiritual insanity, the mind that is fooled, beguiled or duped. The moral of this story of 2nd Thessalonians, not all in the church will receive the truth in love because many don't love the truth. They love self-justification over truth. This strong delusion is a spirit of fraudulence where one a mind that allows them to believe sinful man's lies and deceptions. In practical terms, it is a spirit of straying from orthodoxy or sound Christian principles in this rejection of the truth. How many times have you seen this realized? You witness to someone the obvious and unadulterated truth of Scripture (word for word), and yet they reject God's word of truth for man-made interpretations? That's exactly what that passage says, they just won't receive the truth in love. Truly, they don't really know what love is, because to them truth appears loveless, judgmental and arrogant.

      These passages are divinely inspired of God to have us recognize the spiritual delusion in the bondage of the Devil. In its truest form, delusion is nothing but man's own deceitful will that moves him to dishonestly work against the truth. The spirit of the beast makes them spiritually insane, their mind being in spiritual slavery.

      By contrast, that last verse reiterates the truth of the sober thinking Christian:

      2nd Thessalonians 2:13
      • "But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:"
      Beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth. Therein is the difference between the Elect of the church blessed with sound minds that believe the truth when they hear it, and the false or pseudo Christians or professed Christians with unsound minds deluded to trample the truth underfoot in their zeal to justify themselves and their own will. Why? Because unlike the insane man God healed, God did not truly through the Spirit give them a right/sound mind. They merely took His name upon themselves, but never His Spirit. Again:

      2nd Timothy 1:7
      • "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."
      The Spirit is the power of a sound mind. Christians are to be sober-minded, as opposed to having a mind of fearfulness and of confusion and unrest and turmoil, which is this type of spiritual disorder. Spiritual insanity is the secret persona of the Devil within man that provokes and causes fear and unrest where people are careful of many things, the least of which is service to God. Perfect love casts out fear.

      To start posting about a physical war with national Israel, looking for the antichrist, rebuilt third temple, the rapture before the great tribulation, etc. based on what they heard in the news are NOT supported by Scripture, are an example of spiritual insanity. Why? Because they are deceived by false prophets who brought theses lies into the Church.
      Revelation 18:4 King James Version (KJV)

      4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.


      Voice from heaven!

      That would be GODíS people!!!

      WOW!

      harry

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      • #48
        Originally posted by TribulationSigns View Post
        I have observed that with some people there is spiritual insanity over interpretations for Bible Prophecies is taking place here. But what is spiritual insanity?

        Spiritual Insanity is a type of mental impairment or spiritual madness where our thinking becomes unbalanced, unsound and even delusional. It is actually a term "gleaned" from the Scripture where someone has the spirit of Satan wherein they are viewed as not in their right mind, and thus by implication, insane. In Scripture, God uses insanity as a portrait of the unsound or actually unreasonable behavior of the unsaved who are in bondage to the Devil. You've heard people who are struggling with some sin or personal issues, etc., viewed as "those who are struggling with their Demons?". Well, that's not entirely an unbiblical idiom. Because in Scripture physical insanity was used by God as a symbol of one whose mind was spiritually ill or sick, being in bondage to Satan's delusion. God uses man's mental maladies to illustrate they are spiritually fools, simpletons or insanity in Scripture to paint a portrait of those who spiritually do not think or act with sound reasoning. By being deceived by Satan their mind is "not right" as it is a slave to confusion and turmoil. And this is where we get the term "Spiritual Insanity." It is a spiritual disorder of the mind that comes from having a spirit of delusion, a type of spiritual psychosis of those whose mind is not set free in Christ. In Spiritual insanity the truth seems like a lie and what is sound seems unsound, what is right seems wrong, the mind is in total spiritual confusion.

        2nd Timothy 1:7
        • "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."
        The opposite of the sound or sober mind of true Christians is spiritual insanity. It is when the spirit is not right and one's mind is not sober or sound. For example, Christ miraculously healed a man that was insane, which (like all of the physical miracles Christ did) painted this portrait of God's miraculous power to bring healing to the spiritually sick mind through the efficacy of His death and resurrection. For example, the physical miraculous healing of the insane man was a "sign" or token of the Spiritual healing of our spiritual insanity. e.g.:

        Mark 5:1-8
        • "And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.
        • And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
        • Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
        • Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
        • And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
        • But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
        • And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
        • For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit."
        God uses the demon's control over the mind of this man as a picture of mankind before they are set free of bondage to Satan. The man who was "not in his right mind" was an insane man divinely used of Christ as a token of all those in bondage to the Devil and who dwell in the tombs (presence of death) and who are spiritually as a wild and raging beast that cannot be tamed. Christ's healing of this man is illustrative of the power of God to bring the peace of a sound mind to the Spiritually Insane. This man was miraculously healed as a sign to illustrate Christ's miraculous power in salvation.

        Mark 5:15
        • "And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid."
        Here again, we see the possession of the Devil equated to being unsaved and out of his mind, whereas Christ's healing removes the Devil and heals the sin-sick mind. The man was set free of the Devil and given a sober mind, a right mind, the mind of Christ in His blessed hope.

        1st Peter 1:13
        • "Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"
        When we are saved we are Spiritually clothed in the righteousness of Christ and the sober mind is the right mind. A mind where spiritually (in our right mind) the Devil has been cast out of us. In its pragmatic sense, spiritual insanity is the worldly unsound aversion to reconciliation with God, a mindless rejection of receiving the truth and righteousness, a fool's errand to remain in bondage to the Devil and sin. We could just as easily call it a spiritual foolishness or a spiritual delusion, but it's all pointing to the same unsound spiritual condition or disorder.

        2nd Thessalonians 2:9-13
        • "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
        • And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
        • And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
        • That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
        • But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:"
        Spiritual delusion or spiritual insanity, the mind that is fooled, beguiled or duped. The moral of this story of 2nd Thessalonians, not all in the church will receive the truth in love because many don't love the truth. They love self-justification over truth. This strong delusion is a spirit of fraudulence where one a mind that allows them to believe sinful man's lies and deceptions. In practical terms, it is a spirit of straying from orthodoxy or sound Christian principles in this rejection of the truth. How many times have you seen this realized? You witness to someone the obvious and unadulterated truth of Scripture (word for word), and yet they reject God's word of truth for man-made interpretations? That's exactly what that passage says, they just won't receive the truth in love. Truly, they don't really know what love is, because to them truth appears loveless, judgmental and arrogant.

        These passages are divinely inspired of God to have us recognize the spiritual delusion in the bondage of the Devil. In its truest form, delusion is nothing but man's own deceitful will that moves him to dishonestly work against the truth. The spirit of the beast makes them spiritually insane, their mind being in spiritual slavery.

        By contrast, that last verse reiterates the truth of the sober thinking Christian:

        2nd Thessalonians 2:13
        • "But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:"
        Beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth. Therein is the difference between the Elect of the church blessed with sound minds that believe the truth when they hear it, and the false or pseudo Christians or professed Christians with unsound minds deluded to trample the truth underfoot in their zeal to justify themselves and their own will. Why? Because unlike the insane man God healed, God did not truly through the Spirit give them a right/sound mind. They merely took His name upon themselves, but never His Spirit. Again:

        2nd Timothy 1:7
        • "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."
        The Spirit is the power of a sound mind. Christians are to be sober-minded, as opposed to having a mind of fearfulness and of confusion and unrest and turmoil, which is this type of spiritual disorder. Spiritual insanity is the secret persona of the Devil within man that provokes and causes fear and unrest where people are careful of many things, the least of which is service to God. Perfect love casts out fear.

        To start posting about a physical war with national Israel, looking for the antichrist, rebuilt third temple, the rapture before the great tribulation, etc. based on what they heard in the news are NOT supported by Scripture, are an example of spiritual insanity. Why? Because they are deceived by false prophets who brought theses lies into the Church.
        What Trump said, was very important to pay attention to!

        We must keep America first in our hearts. We must keep freedom alive in our souls. And we must always keep faith in America's destiny ó that one nation, under God, must be the hope and the promise and the light and the glory among all the nations of the world!

        Thank you. God bless you, God bless America. Thank you very much.


        nations of the world!!!


        harry

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        • #49
          Heard it before? Have you really receive it?

          Bye

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          • #50
            Originally posted by TribulationSigns View Post

            well your personal alligence to the "father" doesn’t prove the verses I quoted wrong. Your claim the Jesus is not the one with God the father remain refuted. 🤓
            Scripture plainly shows the existence of the HOLY TRINITY in the story of Jesus' baptism.

            Jesus PRAYED. He didn't pray to Himself!

            And Jesus said, "My Father is greater than I." Not even Jesus can be greater than Himself!

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            • #51
              Originally posted by roby3 View Post

              Scripture plainly shows the existence of the HOLY TRINITY in the story of Jesus' baptism.

              Jesus PRAYED. He didn't pray to Himself!

              And Jesus said, "My Father is greater than I." Not even Jesus can be greater than Himself!
              Sorry you don't get it...

              Mark 13:32-33
              • "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
              • Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is."
              Let us not forget that Christ came to earth as a "MAN" specifically to atone for the sins of man, and so it should be no surprise that He speaks in such a way as to indicate the "subordinate" position of God the Christ, to God the Father ("The Father is greater than I"), even being afflicted and smitten (Isaiah 53:4) of God the Father as part of the divine retribution, a mystery to most that you obviously don't understand.

              Furthermore...in Mark 13:32 when Christ says that no man (actually "no one") knows the day or hour, not the messengers in heaven, not even the Son, but only the Father, this should be viewed in line with the dual nature (human/divine) of Christ. He is speaking from His human, subordinate perspective for our understanding only. God often does this that we (as humans) will understand something more fully that is clearly meant as a teaching lesson for us, rather than to demonstrate any lack of His knowledge. There are many examples in scripture where both the Father and the Son speak this way when obviously they most certainly have knowledge of events. For example:

              Genesis 3:8-10
              • "And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
              • And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
              • And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself."
              Of course the truth is that (as God) He knew perfectly well that Adam was hiding, and He knew exactly WHERE He was hiding. But He asked this question "as if" He was not omniscient so that it would be recorded as scripture that we might fully understand the spiritual nature of both Adam's sin and how it causes man to hide from God in the separation of sin. The fact that God asked "where Adam was" in no way proves God wasn't Omniscient. Likewise:

              Luke 8:43-45
              • "And a woman having an issue of blood twelve years, which had spent all her living upon physicians, neither could be healed of any,
              • Came behind him, and touched the border of his garment: and immediately her issue of blood stanched.
              • And Jesus said, Who touched me? When all denied, Peter and they that were with him said, Master, the multitude throng thee and press thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?"
              Christ knew exactly who it was that touched Him and how He had healed her from her issue of blood. There are no accidental healings by Christ, but again, Christ asked this question for the same reason God asked the question about Adam. So that it would be recorded as scripture that we might fully understand the spiritual nature of our faith and how Christ heals us through His virtue. The fact that He asked, "who touched me," in no way proves that Christ did not know--anymore than God's question in the garden proved He didn't know where Adam was hiding. And the spiritual truth is, the woman being healed is no longer spiritually hid.

              Luke 8:47
              • "And when the woman saw that she was not hid, she came trembling, and falling down before him, she declared unto him before all the people for what cause she had touched him, and how she was healed immediately."
              Even the woman understood that her faith was not hid from Christ, and she humbly came forth to confess her reasons. Which was the whole point, and the reason Christ asked the question in the first place. For our human understanding,not His alleged lack of knowledge. And He comforted her and declared, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole, you may go in peace.

              So likewise, the inference to be drawn from the passage of Mark is not that Christ or the Holy Spirit (both God) did not know the day or hour, but that Christ was speaking to humanity, as humanity. He was not teaching or demonstrating His lack of knowledge, anymore than God was in trying in vain to find Adam in the Garden.

              The objection might be raised, why would Christ say something "AS IF" He doesn't actually know the answer? The inference being that He wouldn't. But that too is a fallacy. And it can be proven rather easily. For example:

              John 4:16-18
              • "Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.
              • The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:
              • For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly."
              Why would God tell her to go call her husband when He already knows perfectly well she has no husband? Again, it is clearly because Christ is teaching humanity a lesson here, not demonstrating His confusion about her marital status or his incomplete knowledge. Clearly He knew, but He spoke to her as if He didn't know to make "this" spiritual point about her husbands. That all her husbands were of sin, and the messiah whom she waited for, whom she was talking to, was the true spiritual husband: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

              John 4:28-29
              • "The woman then left her waterpot, and went her way into the city, and saith to the men,
              • Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?"
              He could only tell her all things she had ever did because He was all knowing about all things she ever did, the Christ whom they all had waited for.

              Moreover, claiming Christ was not omniscient by use of Mark 13 does not explain the Holy Spirit's implicit "ignorance" in that very same verse declaring that no one but the Father knew. Is the Holy Spirit not God to know? It cannot be Except that neither of these assumptions are true. Both Christ and the Holy Spirit and the Father knew. For the three are one.

              Skeptics will scoff, mock and ridicule, but if Christ truly wasn't aware of the time, how then is He the "Living Word" seated with the Father, creator of all things, declaring the end from the beginning, declaring the final results and judgment of the sons of perdition? Christ said, Before Abraham was, I AM. Which means He "IS" the Great "I AM," the creator God, and thus by definition has to be omniscient.

              1st Corinthians 2:11
              • " For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God."
              So if Mark 13:32 truly means "NO ONE" knows the day and the hour but the Father, that leaves out not only the Son, but the Holy Spirit also. And that is very problematic for any faithful Christian. And of course, God the Father is greater that Christ from his human perspective...for our understanding. Selah.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by TribulationSigns View Post
                Heard it before? Have you really receive it?

                Bye
                Mr Tribulations

                On the number and identity of leaders:

                Paul says:
                1Cor.4
                [15] For though you have COUNTLESS LEADERS in Christ . . .....

                Heb 13: 17 Have confidence in YOUR LEADERS and SUBMIT to their authority....

                Jesus says:
                Matt.23
                [10] Neither be called leaders, for you have ONE LEADER the Christ.

                Can you plz TESTIFY that you BELIEVE God and the Holy Spirit INSPIRED PAUL' s words above?

                Waiting...

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