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  • #31
    Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

    And He STILL approaches humans INDIVIDUALLY through personalized Conviction of SIN and of Judgement by the Holy Spirit. THAT'S when you can repent, and be Born Again.
    And that's not what the Bible teaches. He approaches us through His word which convicts us and saves us. You treat the Godhead as working separately and in conflict with each other.

    It's NOT personalized, it's for the whole world. No one is favored over another. God loved the world and gave the world a free gift, not just some confused Pentecostal. As Paul told the Corinthians...

    Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

    Paul didn't go to each village teaching each person a different and personalized gospel and the scriptures don't teach that either, but the word does teach that all men have the same gospel, the same word and each person either accepts it or rejects it. Paul also said preachers of the word were also necessary. If the Godhead worked like you say the Bible wouldn't be needed, but we know it is the inspired word of the Holy Spirit of God...

    For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved. How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?

    And that's when Paul added that Faith comes by hearing the word of God. He did not say faith or salvation comes by a personalized visit from the Holy Spirit, as Jack Van Impe and other false teachers claim, As the first recorded gospel sermon was preached in Acts chapter 2, Peter's words he spoke came from the Holy Spirit and they were convicted, "pricked in their hearts" and asked "what must we do?".

    You claim the Holy Spirit comes personally, His word doesn't say that.Paul said He comes by hearing the word of a preacher of the gospel. And we have those preachers sermons and admonitions and letters in written form now and as Paul commanded Timothy to teach all men so they could teach others, and it has been handed down through time to us. And Paul told The church at Thessalonica this...

    Finally then, brethren, we urge and exhort in the Lord Jesus that you should abound more and more, just as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God; for you know what commandments we gave you through the Lord Jesus.

    But you said the Holy Spirit comes personally and doesn't want us to work at all and talk as if the commandments handed down to us from Jesus the Lord are irrelevant to our salvation!

    See, the spiritual laziness I see coming from the Pentecostal and Charismatic world explains how Hagee and Impe and Crouch's and all of them have deceived so many millions of souls. But as Jesus said, there will be Many to find a wide path to destruction but few will find the path that leads to salvation. There are lots of scriptures telling us how to remain faithful and warning us if the consequences if we don't and anyone who studies the Bible and comes away with doing the works God planned for us before the foundation of the world is not necessary, well they're just spiritually lazy and don't want to obey God.

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    • #32
      Hagee and Impe and Crouch's Have seen millions of souls saved under their teaching of the gospel of Jesus!! And you? How many??

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Hemi View Post

        And that's not what the Bible teaches. He approaches us through His word which convicts us and saves us. You treat the Godhead as working separately and in conflict with each other.
        Not at all. His WORD doesn't convict WITHOUT THE PERSONAL ADMINISTRATION OF IT by the Holy Spirit. (His "Drawing").

        It's NOT personalized
        Wrong again, since my SIN is "Personalized" (as yours is also), the Conviction of the Holy Spirit is personalized to ME, even though the Repentance and surrender it leads to is the same for everybody. THEN The "Kingdom of God" becomes "visible" with the spiritual eyes, and you can start learning about Him.

        You said the Holy Spirit comes personally and doesn't want us to work at all
        TRUE!!!!! Because salvation has nothing to do with WORKS at all, and is a PERSONAL TRANSACTION under the Conviction of SIN by the Holy Spirit, which is the beginning of FAITH and leads to repentance and surrender crying out for salvation.



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        • #34
          Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

          Not at all. His WORD doesn't convict WITHOUT THE PERSONAL ADMINISTRATION OF IT by the Holy Spirit. (His "Drawing").
          That's not what the Bible says and I just gave you verses proving it. There are several examples in the book of Acts, such as the first Christians I mentioned in cts 2.

          So no, you're wrong and the Bible is right.
          Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post
          Wrong again, since my SIN is "Personalized" (as yours is also), the Conviction of the Holy Spirit is personalized to ME,
          Yeah you're responsible for YOUR sins. How we receive forgiveness is explained to us by His word. The "word by which we are saved", as Paul said.
          Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post
          even though the Repentance and surrender it leads to is the same for everybody.
          Right, the word is the same for everyone just as I said and just as the word says. Jesus Himself prayed to the Father and said "Sanctified them by your truth, your word is truth". We are sanctified by the word, Not by a personal plan of salvation.

          Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post

          THEN The "Kingdom of God" becomes "visible" with the spiritual eyes, and you can start learning about Him.
          No, we learn about Him by studying His word as He commanded through His Apostle Paul.

          Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

          Study is a work and you said we don't work. Anyone who tells the world and the ungodly not to do the works of God in order to be saved have not studied the word of truth, which contains the salvation of God by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, to show themselves approved of God as the Holy Spirit commanded.

          Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post
          TRUE!!!!! Because salvation has nothing to do with WORKS at all,
          That's a false and is another example of spiritual laziness and lack of knowledge of the word. ! Jesus Himself said not all will enter Heaven but those who do the will of the Father in heaven. He gave us His works He told us to do, such as believe on His only begotten son. Repent of our sins and do all things He commanded. Matthew 28"18-20

          Originally posted by Bob Carabbio View Post
          and is a PERSONAL TRANSACTION under the Conviction of SIN by the Holy Spirit, which is the beginning of FAITH and leads to repentance and surrender crying out for salvation.
          Again not to those of us who are not of the chosen Apostles. The Bible doesn't teach that. The word of truth teaches us Faith comes by hearing the word of God, not by sitting and doing nothing and waiting on the Holy Spirit to come. The word of God requires work, effort, and someone to teach it.. You're not a chosen Apostle and the Holy Spirit is not telling you things He hasn't told the rest of the world through His word. The message of the Holy Spirit to convict the world was first given to the Apostles and they were given all things that pertain to righteousness and Godliness and it is written for us. As the book of Acts points out beginning with the very first sermon of salvation, the works of God He planned before the foundation were required of us.

          And agai8n the Pentecostal and Charismatic movements have caused more spiritual lazuiness and lack of knowledge of His word than anything else I know of. I know atheists who know the word better than that.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by GISMYS View Post
            Hagee and Impe and Crouch's Have seen millions of souls saved under their teaching of the gospel of Jesus!! And you? How many??
            Hagee , Crouch and Benny Hinn have ALL sold their souls to Satan for fame and fortunes. They all gave eligience to Satan in public . Would you like to see the evidence ? I can put up the evidence if you wish.

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            • #36
              Why ask for early judgment?? Why allow to be used by satan?? Just know satan laughs in the face of those that allow him to use them as his tools as they die. Beware!!

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