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  • Jerusalem is the great whore of Babylon in Revelation 17.

    One of the many mysterious symbols in the book of revelation is an evil woman known as “the great whore” or “the great harlot”. We read of her in Revelation 17. This whore is described as being adorned in purple, scarlet and gold. She sits on a beast with 7 heads and 10 horns, and is drunk with the blood of saints and prophets. The book of revelation tells that this whore represents a certain city that would rule over the earth.

    The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth. (Revelation 17:18)

    A lot of Christians assert that this “whore” and the city she represents is the Vatican city. Others have claimed that this city is New York. Yet others have said that it is Mecca in Saudi Arabia. The reality is that these claims are speculations and are simply not in line with what the Bible teaches.

    I will prove using the Bible that the great whore of Revelation, is none other than Jerusalem. Yes. The great whore is not the Vatican. It is not New York. It is not Mecca. But Jerusalem.

    We begin by first building a profile of the whore of Babylon.
    1) The whore is guilty of spilling the blood of saints
    2) She sits on seven hills
    3) The whore is adorned in scarlet and gold
    4) The whore is killed by her own lovers

    In order to identify the whore of revelation, we need to only pinpoint the city that matches all of these traits. It can be Biblically proven that there is only one entity in the entire Bible that matches the whores description. And that city is Jerusalem.

    a) The whore is guilty of spilling the blood of saints

    Revelation 17 tells us that the whore had spilled the blood of God’s holy people, as well as those who bore testimony to Jesus.

    I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. (Revelation 17:6)

    In her was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people, of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.” (Revelation 18:24)


    Is there any city that was guilty of the killing God’s people? Jesus tells us very plainly that Jerusalem was guilty of killing God’s people, that is, the prophets .

    “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you… (Matthew 23:37)

    What he means is that the people in charge of Jerusalem, that is, the Jewish spiritual leaders, were guilty of killing the prophets. Jesus repeats this idea in other verses in the same chapter:

    Thus you witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets (Matthew 23:31)

    That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. (Matthew 23:35)


    Elsewhere, the Christian martyr, Stephen, who was stoned to death for being a follower of Jesus, also accused the Jewish spiritual leaders of being killers of the prophets. We read this on Acts 7

    Was there ever a prophet your ancestors did not persecute? They even killed those who predicted the coming of the Righteous One. And now you have betrayed and murdered him— you who have received the law that was given through angels but have not obeyed it.” (Acts 7:52-53)

    That Jerusalem — or rather — it’s people killed prophets is not just a theme in the New Testament. Even in the Old Testament, Jerusalem is accused of killing prophets too.
    For example, in Jeremiah 2:30, which is addressed to Jerusalem or the Israelites, God accuses the Jews of killing their prophets:

    “In vain I punished your people; they did not respond to correction. Your sword has devoured your prophets like a ravenous lion. (Jeremiah 2:30)

    and in Nehemiah 9:26, we read that the Jews killed their own prophets:

    But they were disobedient and rebelled against You; they flung Your law behind their backs. They killed Your prophets who had admonished them to turn back to You. They committed terrible blasphemies. (Nehemiah 9:26)

    So Jerusalem is guilty of killing saints and prophets. It is the only city that is accused of the same exact crime that the whore is guilty of. This alone should be enough to establish the identity of the whore as Jerusalem. But, there is more to prove that the great whore of Revelation is none other than Jerusalem!

    b) Jerusalem – a city on seven hills.
    The whore sits on a beast with 7 heads. We read that the 7 heads of the beast mean 2 things. One meaning is that they are hills, as we read in Revelation 17:9

    the seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. (Revelation 17:9)

    So the whore or the great city is a city that is on 7 hills. Does Jerusalem sit on 7 hills?

    The answer is YES. Jerusalem makes the list of List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills.

    – The northern summit (hill) is called Scopus (Hill One)
    – The middle summit (hill) was called Nob (Hill Two)
    – The highest point of Olivet itself, and the southern summit (hill) was called in the Holy Scriptures the “Mount of Corruption” or “Mount of Offence” (Hill Three)
    – On the middle ridge between the Kedron and the Tyropoeon Valleys there was (formerly) in the south “Mount Zion” (Hill Four)
    – The “Ophel Mount” (Hill Five)
    – To the north of that the “Rock” around which “Fort Antonia” was built (Hill Six),
    – The southwest hill itself (Hill Seven)

    Since Jerusalem is built on 7 hills, this serves as a sound rebuttal to those who claim that Vatican or Mecca or some other city they don’t like is the “great city” of Revelation simply because they are built on 7 hills. There is no need to dwell on this point further as it has been shown that Jerusalem is a city built on 7 hills, thus meeting the criteria given in Revelation 17.

    c) The whore is adorned in scarlet and gold
    Revelation chapters 17 and 18 tell us that the whore or the great city was dressed in purple and scarlet and was adorned with gold and precious things.

    And the woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in in her hand a gold cup full of abominations and of the unclean things of her immorality (Revelation 17:4)

    Woe! Woe to you, great city, dressed in fine linen, purple and scarlet, and glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls! (Revelations 18:16)

    The prophet Jeremiah, in his 4th chapter addresses Jerusalem as a woman. He also points out that she, Jerusalem, is adorned in scarlet and gold.

    And you, O desolate one, what will you do? Although you dress in scarlet, Although you decorate yourself with ornaments of gold, Although you enlarge your eyes with paint, In vain you make yourself beautiful; Your lovers despise you; They seek your life. I hear a cry as of a woman in labor, a groan as of one bearing her first child-the cry of the Daughter of Zion gasping for breath, stretching out her hands and saying, “Alas! I am fainting; my life is given over to murderers.” (Jeremiah 4:30-31)

    This is not a random coincidence. Because the second part of the passage mentions Jerusalem’s lovers lovers despising her and seeking to kill her. This perfectly mirrors the account of the great whore being despised and destroyed by her lovers, as given in Revelation 17. We will go over this in the next point.

    d) The whore is killed by her lovers
    Revelation tells us that the whore fornicated with the kings of the earth. We read this in Revelations 17:2.

    With her the kings of the earth committed adultery, (Revelation 17:2)

    We also read that the 10 horns on the beast that she sat upon were kings:

    The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom (Revelation 17:12)

    Later, those 10 horns turn against the whore and utterly destroy her:

    The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled. (Revelations 17:16-17)

    Once again, these are motifs that appeared earlier in the Old Testament.

    The prophet Jeremiah portrays Jerusalem as being hated and destroyed by her lovers. We go back to Jeremiah 4, that we looked at earlier. He writes that Jerusalem’s lovers despise her and seek her life. Jerusalem, who is addressed as “daughter of Zion” laments that her life is given over to murderers.

    And you, O desolate one, what will you do? Although you dress in scarlet, Although you decorate yourself with ornaments of gold, Although you enlarge your eyes with paint, In vain you make yourself beautiful; Your lovers despise you; They seek your life. I hear a cry as of a woman in labor, a groan as of one bearing her first child-the cry of the Daughter of Zion gasping for breath, stretching out her hands and saying, “Alas! I am fainting; my life is given over to murderers.” (Jeremiah 4:30-31)

    Interestingly, in Ezekiel in chapters 16 and 23, Jerusalem is referred to as a prostitute, which is another word for whore.

    Ezekiel 23 is particularly interesting as it mentions specific details with regard to the punishment of the whore, that is, Jerusalem. Ezekiel’s account of the whore’s destruction closely resembles what we read about the whore’s destruction in Revelation 17.

    In Ezekiel 23, we read that the whore would be stripped of her clothes and jewelry.

    Ezekiel 23 :They will also strip you of your clothes and take your fine jewelry.
    Revelations 17 :They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked;

    Ezekiel 23 tells us that God Himself stirs up whore’s lovers to attack the whore

    Ezekiel 23: I will stir up your lovers against you…They will come against you with weapons,chariots…I will turn you over to them for punishment…
    Revelations 17 : For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose…The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute…

    Ezekiel tells us that the whore would be violently killed and burned with fire.

    Ezekiel 23 :They will cut off your noses and your ears…those of you who are left will fall by the sword….and those of you who are left will be consumed by fire.
    Revelations 17 : they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

    Revelations 17 ends with the destruction of the whore and the very next chapter details the destruction of a city, Babylon.

    In fact, the author of Revelation also reuses imagery from the book of Isaiah, specifically from chapter 47 that prophesied the destruction of the original Babylon.

    In Revelation we read, that Babylon (that is, Jerusalem) glorified herself, and was confident in her belief that her glory would not end….only to be destroyed suddenly.

    How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. -Revelation 18:7

    Compare this to what Isaiah 47, which is about the destruction of Babylon. The exact same theme appears: Babylon enjoys security and claims she will never be a widow. And all of a sudden, disaster befalls her and she is doomed!

    “Now then, listen, you lover of pleasure, lounging in your security and saying to yourself, ‘I am, and there is none besides me. I will never be a widow or suffer the loss of children.’ Both of these will overtake you in a moment, on a single day: loss of children and widowhood. They will come upon you in full measure, in spite of your many sorceries and all your potent spells. You have trusted in your wickedness and have said, ‘No one sees me.’ Your wisdom and knowledge mislead you when you say to yourself, ‘I am, and there is none besides me.’11 Disaster will come upon you, and you will not know how to conjure it away. A calamity will fall upon you that you cannot ward off with a ransom; a catastrophe you cannot foresee will suddenly come upon you. (Isaiah 47:8-11)

    All these cannot be co-incidences.

    The author of revelation was telling us that Jerusalem is the new Babylon — the great city that is to be destroyed in the future.

    He is telling us that in the end times, Jerusalem will be the Babylon of the end times. The author of Revelation simply used imagery spoken of by earlier prophets — Jeremiah, Ezekiel and Isaiah — to describe the fall of Jerusalem.

    To summarize, the whore is guilty of spilling the blood of saints and holy men. Both the old and new testaments tell us that Jerusalem is guilty of killing prophets. The whore sits on seven hills. Jerusalem sit on seven hills. The whore is adorned in purple, scarlet and gold. Jerusalem is described as being adorned in scarlet and gold. Jerusalem is also described as a prostitute. The whore is killed by her own lovers. Jeremiah and Ezekiel tell us that the whore was to be killed by her own lovers.

    Thus, we can establish with full certainty that the great whore in Revelation 17, and the great city that is destroyed in Revelation 18 is none other than Jerusalem.

    Video presentation can be viewed here: https://youtu.be/LbcIOZpB_Cg

  • #2
    Originally posted by sk0rpi0n View Post
    One of the many mysterious symbols in the book of revelation is an evil woman known as “the great whore” or “the great harlot”. We read of her in Revelation 17. This whore is described as being adorned in purple, scarlet and gold. She sits on a beast with 7 heads and 10 horns, and is drunk with the blood of saints and prophets. The book of revelation tells that this whore represents a certain city that would rule over the earth.

    The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth. (Revelation 17:18)

    A lot of Christians assert that this “whore” and the city she represents is the Vatican city. Others have claimed that this city is New York. Yet others have said that it is Mecca in Saudi Arabia. The reality is that these claims are speculations and are simply not in line with what the Bible teaches.

    I will prove using the Bible that the great whore of Revelation, is none other than Jerusalem. Yes. The great whore is not the Vatican. It is not New York. It is not Mecca. But Jerusalem.

    We begin by first building a profile of the whore of Babylon.
    1) The whore is guilty of spilling the blood of saints
    2) She sits on seven hills
    3) The whore is adorned in scarlet and gold
    4) The whore is killed by her own lovers

    In order to identify the whore of revelation, we need to only pinpoint the city that matches all of these traits. It can be Biblically proven that there is only one entity in the entire Bible that matches the whores description. And that city is Jerusalem.

    a) The whore is guilty of spilling the blood of saints

    Revelation 17 tells us that the whore had spilled the blood of God’s holy people, as well as those who bore testimony to Jesus.

    I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. (Revelation 17:6)

    In her was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people, of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.” (Revelation 18:24)


    Is there any city that was guilty of the killing God’s people? Jesus tells us very plainly that Jerusalem was guilty of killing God’s people, that is, the prophets .

    “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you… (Matthew 23:37)

    What he means is that the people in charge of Jerusalem, that is, the Jewish spiritual leaders, were guilty of killing the prophets. Jesus repeats this idea in other verses in the same chapter:

    Thus you witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets (Matthew 23:31)

    That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. (Matthew 23:35)


    Elsewhere, the Christian martyr, Stephen, who was stoned to death for being a follower of Jesus, also accused the Jewish spiritual leaders of being killers of the prophets. We read this on Acts 7

    Was there ever a prophet your ancestors did not persecute? They even killed those who predicted the coming of the Righteous One. And now you have betrayed and murdered him— you who have received the law that was given through angels but have not obeyed it.” (Acts 7:52-53)

    That Jerusalem — or rather — it’s people killed prophets is not just a theme in the New Testament. Even in the Old Testament, Jerusalem is accused of killing prophets too.
    For example, in Jeremiah 2:30, which is addressed to Jerusalem or the Israelites, God accuses the Jews of killing their prophets:

    “In vain I punished your people; they did not respond to correction. Your sword has devoured your prophets like a ravenous lion. (Jeremiah 2:30)

    and in Nehemiah 9:26, we read that the Jews killed their own prophets:

    But they were disobedient and rebelled against You; they flung Your law behind their backs. They killed Your prophets who had admonished them to turn back to You. They committed terrible blasphemies. (Nehemiah 9:26)

    So Jerusalem is guilty of killing saints and prophets. It is the only city that is accused of the same exact crime that the whore is guilty of. This alone should be enough to establish the identity of the whore as Jerusalem. But, there is more to prove that the great whore of Revelation is none other than Jerusalem!

    b) Jerusalem – a city on seven hills.
    The whore sits on a beast with 7 heads. We read that the 7 heads of the beast mean 2 things. One meaning is that they are hills, as we read in Revelation 17:9

    the seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. (Revelation 17:9)

    So the whore or the great city is a city that is on 7 hills. Does Jerusalem sit on 7 hills?

    The answer is YES. Jerusalem makes the list of List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills.

    – The northern summit (hill) is called Scopus (Hill One)
    – The middle summit (hill) was called Nob (Hill Two)
    – The highest point of Olivet itself, and the southern summit (hill) was called in the Holy Scriptures the “Mount of Corruption” or “Mount of Offence” (Hill Three)
    – On the middle ridge between the Kedron and the Tyropoeon Valleys there was (formerly) in the south “Mount Zion” (Hill Four)
    – The “Ophel Mount” (Hill Five)
    – To the north of that the “Rock” around which “Fort Antonia” was built (Hill Six),
    – The southwest hill itself (Hill Seven)

    Since Jerusalem is built on 7 hills, this serves as a sound rebuttal to those who claim that Vatican or Mecca or some other city they don’t like is the “great city” of Revelation simply because they are built on 7 hills. There is no need to dwell on this point further as it has been shown that Jerusalem is a city built on 7 hills, thus meeting the criteria given in Revelation 17.

    c) The whore is adorned in scarlet and gold
    Revelation chapters 17 and 18 tell us that the whore or the great city was dressed in purple and scarlet and was adorned with gold and precious things.

    And the woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in in her hand a gold cup full of abominations and of the unclean things of her immorality (Revelation 17:4)

    Woe! Woe to you, great city, dressed in fine linen, purple and scarlet, and glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls! (Revelations 18:16)

    The prophet Jeremiah, in his 4th chapter addresses Jerusalem as a woman. He also points out that she, Jerusalem, is adorned in scarlet and gold.

    And you, O desolate one, what will you do? Although you dress in scarlet, Although you decorate yourself with ornaments of gold, Although you enlarge your eyes with paint, In vain you make yourself beautiful; Your lovers despise you; They seek your life. I hear a cry as of a woman in labor, a groan as of one bearing her first child-the cry of the Daughter of Zion gasping for breath, stretching out her hands and saying, “Alas! I am fainting; my life is given over to murderers.” (Jeremiah 4:30-31)

    This is not a random coincidence. Because the second part of the passage mentions Jerusalem’s lovers lovers despising her and seeking to kill her. This perfectly mirrors the account of the great whore being despised and destroyed by her lovers, as given in Revelation 17. We will go over this in the next point.

    d) The whore is killed by her lovers
    Revelation tells us that the whore fornicated with the kings of the earth. We read this in Revelations 17:2.

    With her the kings of the earth committed adultery, (Revelation 17:2)

    We also read that the 10 horns on the beast that she sat upon were kings:

    The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom (Revelation 17:12)

    Later, those 10 horns turn against the whore and utterly destroy her:

    The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled. (Revelations 17:16-17)

    Once again, these are motifs that appeared earlier in the Old Testament.

    The prophet Jeremiah portrays Jerusalem as being hated and destroyed by her lovers. We go back to Jeremiah 4, that we looked at earlier. He writes that Jerusalem’s lovers despise her and seek her life. Jerusalem, who is addressed as “daughter of Zion” laments that her life is given over to murderers.

    And you, O desolate one, what will you do? Although you dress in scarlet, Although you decorate yourself with ornaments of gold, Although you enlarge your eyes with paint, In vain you make yourself beautiful; Your lovers despise you; They seek your life. I hear a cry as of a woman in labor, a groan as of one bearing her first child-the cry of the Daughter of Zion gasping for breath, stretching out her hands and saying, “Alas! I am fainting; my life is given over to murderers.” (Jeremiah 4:30-31)

    Interestingly, in Ezekiel in chapters 16 and 23, Jerusalem is referred to as a prostitute, which is another word for whore.

    Ezekiel 23 is particularly interesting as it mentions specific details with regard to the punishment of the whore, that is, Jerusalem. Ezekiel’s account of the whore’s destruction closely resembles what we read about the whore’s destruction in Revelation 17.

    In Ezekiel 23, we read that the whore would be stripped of her clothes and jewelry.

    Ezekiel 23 :They will also strip you of your clothes and take your fine jewelry.
    Revelations 17 :They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked;

    Ezekiel 23 tells us that God Himself stirs up whore’s lovers to attack the whore

    Ezekiel 23: I will stir up your lovers against you…They will come against you with weapons,chariots…I will turn you over to them for punishment…
    Revelations 17 : For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose…The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute…

    Ezekiel tells us that the whore would be violently killed and burned with fire.

    Ezekiel 23 :They will cut off your noses and your ears…those of you who are left will fall by the sword….and those of you who are left will be consumed by fire.
    Revelations 17 : they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

    Revelations 17 ends with the destruction of the whore and the very next chapter details the destruction of a city, Babylon.

    In fact, the author of Revelation also reuses imagery from the book of Isaiah, specifically from chapter 47 that prophesied the destruction of the original Babylon.

    In Revelation we read, that Babylon (that is, Jerusalem) glorified herself, and was confident in her belief that her glory would not end….only to be destroyed suddenly.

    How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. -Revelation 18:7

    Compare this to what Isaiah 47, which is about the destruction of Babylon. The exact same theme appears: Babylon enjoys security and claims she will never be a widow. And all of a sudden, disaster befalls her and she is doomed!

    “Now then, listen, you lover of pleasure, lounging in your security and saying to yourself, ‘I am, and there is none besides me. I will never be a widow or suffer the loss of children.’ Both of these will overtake you in a moment, on a single day: loss of children and widowhood. They will come upon you in full measure, in spite of your many sorceries and all your potent spells. You have trusted in your wickedness and have said, ‘No one sees me.’ Your wisdom and knowledge mislead you when you say to yourself, ‘I am, and there is none besides me.’11 Disaster will come upon you, and you will not know how to conjure it away. A calamity will fall upon you that you cannot ward off with a ransom; a catastrophe you cannot foresee will suddenly come upon you. (Isaiah 47:8-11)

    All these cannot be co-incidences.

    The author of revelation was telling us that Jerusalem is the new Babylon — the great city that is to be destroyed in the future.

    He is telling us that in the end times, Jerusalem will be the Babylon of the end times. The author of Revelation simply used imagery spoken of by earlier prophets — Jeremiah, Ezekiel and Isaiah — to describe the fall of Jerusalem.

    To summarize, the whore is guilty of spilling the blood of saints and holy men. Both the old and new testaments tell us that Jerusalem is guilty of killing prophets. The whore sits on seven hills. Jerusalem sit on seven hills. The whore is adorned in purple, scarlet and gold. Jerusalem is described as being adorned in scarlet and gold. Jerusalem is also described as a prostitute. The whore is killed by her own lovers. Jeremiah and Ezekiel tell us that the whore was to be killed by her own lovers.

    Thus, we can establish with full certainty that the great whore in Revelation 17, and the great city that is destroyed in Revelation 18 is none other than Jerusalem.

    Video presentation can be viewed here: https://youtu.be/LbcIOZpB_Cg
    That isn’t the city!

    Here is the city spoken of!

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c32G868tor0

    Now a Corrupt government and a corrupt church, which equates to the beast spoken of in Revelation 13.

    It’s all taking place right before your eyes and ears!

    harry

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    • #3
      No, that city is Rome, Italy.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by roby3 View Post
        No, that city is Rome, Italy.
        jesus accused jerusalem, not rome of killing prophets and saints

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        • #5
          Originally posted by roby3 View Post
          No, that city is Rome, Italy.
          The city is what Ron Reagan is speaking of!

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c32G868tor0

          You always hear the European Union!

          Do you realize that all of those people that matter and the generations migrated over here years ago!


          harry

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          • #6
            Originally posted by roby3 View Post
            No, that city is Rome, Italy.
            What must be understood is the following verses are being

            violated by this country and the church!

            That’s What makes it the beast of revelation 13!!!
            Exodus 20:4-6 King James Version (KJV)

            4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

            5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

            6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.


            HE said, don’t serve them, if they do such things!!!


            harry

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            • #7
              You have obviously not read REV 18:22-23. So let me post it here for you.

              22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

              23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

              There is no way that
              Jerusalem is not Babylon. I can give you several reasons why it can not be:

              1) At the Second Coming, Jesus will return to earth at the same place He left from. The Mount of Olives. where is the Mt. of Olives you may ask? Jerusalem.


              2) Jesus will then proceed to enter Jerusalem through the east gate of the old city. He will them sit on David's throne. This is THE Second Coming.

              3) Therefore, the voice of the bridegroom and the bride shall be heard there again;

              4) And I would like to believe that upon His arrival, the voices of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters shall be heard playing their instruments.


              5) Jerusalem will be the capital of the world during the millennial kingdom.

              We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist...personally I declare that I owe the Pope no other obedience than that to Antichrist. Martin Luther (Aug. 18, 1520)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by leonard03782 View Post
                You have obviously not read REV 18:22-23. So let me post it here for you.

                22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

                23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

                There is no way that
                Jerusalem is not Babylon. I can give you several reasons why it can not be:

                1) At the Second Coming, Jesus will return to earth at the same place He left from. The Mount of Olives. where is the Mt. of Olives you may ask? Jerusalem.


                2) Jesus will then proceed to enter Jerusalem through the east gate of the old city. He will them sit on David's throne. This is THE Second Coming.

                3) Therefore, the voice of the bridegroom and the bride shall be heard there again;

                4) And I would like to believe that upon His arrival, the voices of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters shall be heard playing their instruments.


                5) Jerusalem will be the capital of the world during the millennial kingdom.

                what verses are you referring to exactly?

                If Jesus accused Jerusalem of killing prophets and holy men...and if Revelation 17 and 18 tells us that Babylon aka the "great city" had the blood of holy men why should we not accept that Jerusalem is Babylon?

                Also, Jesus will rule the earth from a NEW Jerusalem. The earthly Jerusalem is not even mentioned by name in Revelation. It's simply alluded to as "the great city where Jesus was crucified".


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                • #9
                  I have been looking for someone anyone who saw things like I believe they are really stated Jerusalem is definetly Mystery Babylon. You have had a masterful detailing of who she is a few thoughts on her. The angel Gabriel told Daniel there was a prophecy that was exclusively focused on Daniel's people and city. Skip forward and we find that Daniel's people and city have become Russia, The EU, Rome or some other Gentile city and people.

                  I have a ton of stuff on the End Times. The false prophet is coming as the Prophet Elijah. Of all the lying sins and wonders one of them is named bringing fire down from heaven. This of course was the very thing Elijah did proving his God was the one true God. Whether the false Elijah challenges the other religions I don't know. But when the fire falls is will accomplish a few things. It will authenticate Elijah, it will authenticate the one who comes down like lightening, antichrist, as being God. This will be a false Shekinah Glory. The fire from heaven is important on another level. Until the fire comes down from heaven the temple is nothing more than an empty building. No strange fire can be offered. When this fire seems to come down from heaven the priests in the temple will able to open the temple for antichrist to present himself in the temple as God and the last Week of Years begins counting down.

                  Like to pick your brain and get mine picked on too.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by leonard03782 View Post
                    You have obviously not read REV 18:22-23. So let me post it here for you.

                    22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

                    23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

                    There is no way that
                    Jerusalem is not Babylon. I can give you several reasons why it can not be:

                    1) At the Second Coming, Jesus will return to earth at the same place He left from. The Mount of Olives. where is the Mt. of Olives you may ask? Jerusalem.


                    2) Jesus will then proceed to enter Jerusalem through the east gate of the old city. He will them sit on David's throne. This is THE Second Coming.

                    3) Therefore, the voice of the bridegroom and the bride shall be heard there again;

                    4) And I would like to believe that upon His arrival, the voices of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters shall be heard playing their instruments.


                    5) Jerusalem will be the capital of the world during the millennial kingdom.
                    I am afraid you read Re. 18-22 and came to the wrong interpretation imo.
                    1) When the Lord returns to the Mount of Olives He isn't coming for the throne at that time. He has a few things HE needs to take care of like splitting the Mount of Olives in two half moving tothe north and half moving to the south. When this happens a great earthquake happens killing 7,000 in habitants of the city, mystery Jerusalem. At the same time a valley is opened by the splitting of the Mount and the faithful remnant flees for safety.

                    2)Christ will never sit in the temple anti-Christ claimed as hisown. That temple and the city of Jerusalem will have been destroyed. People forget that the Lord promised that this time was as it was in the Days of Noah. During Noah's day angels left their place and sought the daughters of men. When anti-Christ comes up out of the Abyss his fallen angels come with him and the fallen angels under the Euphrates are also released and just as the Lord is coming with His angels antichrist is coming with his angelic demonic army.

                    3) the voices on that day are going to be the sounds of battle and terror and pain. This fallen angel army is going to be the army that destroys Jerusalem and slays the apostate portion of Israel who led by the Great Delusion accepted anti-Christ.

                    4) On the Day the Lord comes to claim His rightful throne in the Millennial Temple there will be a celebration like never before and never again.

                    If you go to the O.T. they have the prophecies as given by the Prophets and they are like the open book of revelation. They deal with all the same things taking place in the Last Days and they do it without all the imagery of Revelation. Take a look at Isaiah chapters 1-5. We are shown the apostate Israel on the Day of the Lord and she is far from the poor, pathetic weak country she is preented to in most end times teachings. On the Day of The Lord she is going to wildly, rich, politically and militarily at the apex. But it was n't just material goods. The Jerusalem on the Day of the Lord will be filled with false gods and influences from the east. Over the last decade maybe longer there has been a move in Israel among her young people gravitating to eastern rligions.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by breathoflife View Post

                      I am afraid you read Re. 18-22 and came to the wrong interpretation imo.
                      1) When the Lord returns to the Mount of Olives He isn't coming for the throne at that time. He has a few things HE needs to take care of like splitting the Mount of Olives in two half moving tothe north and half moving to the south. When this happens a great earthquake happens killing 7,000 in habitants of the city, mystery Jerusalem. At the same time a valley is opened by the splitting of the Mount and the faithful remnant flees for safety.

                      2)Christ will never sit in the temple anti-Christ claimed as hisown. That temple and the city of Jerusalem will have been destroyed. People forget that the Lord promised that this time was as it was in the Days of Noah. During Noah's day angels left their place and sought the daughters of men. When anti-Christ comes up out of the Abyss his fallen angels come with him and the fallen angels under the Euphrates are also released and just as the Lord is coming with His angels antichrist is coming with his angelic demonic army.

                      3) the voices on that day are going to be the sounds of battle and terror and pain. This fallen angel army is going to be the army that destroys Jerusalem and slays the apostate portion of Israel who led by the Great Delusion accepted anti-Christ.

                      4) On the Day the Lord comes to claim His rightful throne in the Millennial Temple there will be a celebration like never before and never again.

                      If you go to the O.T. they have the prophecies as given by the Prophets and they are like the open book of revelation. They deal with all the same things taking place in the Last Days and they do it without all the imagery of Revelation. Take a look at Isaiah chapters 1-5. We are shown the apostate Israel on the Day of the Lord and she is far from the poor, pathetic weak country she is preented to in most end times teachings. On the Day of The Lord she is going to wildly, rich, politically and militarily at the apex. But it was n't just material goods. The Jerusalem on the Day of the Lord will be filled with false gods and influences from the east. Over the last decade maybe longer there has been a move in Israel among her young people gravitating to eastern rligions.
                      Do you agree or disagree with the OP? I would have to agree with your statement. It looks pretty much right on the mark.
                      We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist...personally I declare that I owe the Pope no other obedience than that to Antichrist. Martin Luther (Aug. 18, 1520)

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                      • #12
                        I had to say it I am older but new to forums the op means what, please, thanks

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by breathoflife View Post
                          I had to say it I am older but new to forums the op means what, please, thanks
                          I have to admit that I did not know myself until 5 minutes ago. It basically means original poster.. It is my guess that it refers to the question of the original post. Is Jerusalem the whore of Babylon?

                          The whore is the woman who rides the beast, she is the false religious system that will be present in the last days. Would you agree with that? Will the harlot be a new religious system? or will it be an offshoot of one that is present in the world today?
                          We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist...personally I declare that I owe the Pope no other obedience than that to Antichrist. Martin Luther (Aug. 18, 1520)

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                          • #14
                            Thanks. I would never have figured that out.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by breathoflife View Post
                              I have been looking for someone anyone who saw things like I believe they are really stated Jerusalem is definetly Mystery Babylon. You have had a masterful detailing of who she is a few thoughts on her. The angel Gabriel told Daniel there was a prophecy that was exclusively focused on Daniel's people and city. Skip forward and we find that Daniel's people and city have become Russia, The EU, Rome or some other Gentile city and people.

                              I have a ton of stuff on the End Times. The false prophet is coming as the Prophet Elijah. Of all the lying sins and wonders one of them is named bringing fire down from heaven. This of course was the very thing Elijah did proving his God was the one true God. Whether the false Elijah challenges the other religions I don't know. But when the fire falls is will accomplish a few things. It will authenticate Elijah, it will authenticate the one who comes down like lightening, antichrist, as being God. This will be a false Shekinah Glory. The fire from heaven is important on another level. Until the fire comes down from heaven the temple is nothing more than an empty building. No strange fire can be offered. When this fire seems to come down from heaven the priests in the temple will able to open the temple for antichrist to present himself in the temple as God and the last Week of Years begins counting down.

                              Like to pick your brain and get mine picked on too.
                              I have never heard this before. 99% of the teachers that I listen to believe that Elijah will be one of the two witnesses the will be in Israel for the first 3-1/2 years of the tribulation period. Rev 11:3-13

                              What are the scriptures for these statements?

                              Actually the abomination of desolation does not happen at the beginning of the last week, it occurs at the midpoint, Dan 9:27; MAT 24:15-22
                              We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist...personally I declare that I owe the Pope no other obedience than that to Antichrist. Martin Luther (Aug. 18, 1520)

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