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  • Is Annihilationism Biblical

    by Ron Rhodes

    The doctrine of annihilationism teaches that man was created immortal. But those who continue in sin and reject Christ are by a positive act of God deprived of the gift of immortality and are ultimately destroyed.

    Another view, called "conditional immortality," argues that immortality is not a natural endowment of man, but is rather a gift of God in Christ only to those who believe. The person that does not accept Christ is ultimately annihilated and loses all consciousness. Some of the advocates of these doctrines teach a limited duration of conscious suffering for the wicked after death, after which time they are annihilated.

    There are many passages that refute annihilationism. For illustration purposes, we will select only one primary passage--Matthew 25:46: "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

    By no stretch of the imagination can the punishment spoken of in Matthew 25:46 be defined as a nonsuffering extinction of consciousness. Indeed, if actual suffering is lacking, then so is punishment. Let us be clear on this: punishment entails suffering. And suffering necessarily entails consciousness.

    Bible scholar John Gerstner tells us that "one can exist and not be punished; but no one can be punished and not exist. Annihilation means the obliteration of existence and anything that pertains to existence, such as punishment. Annihilation avoids punishment, rather than encountering it."

    How do we know that the punishment referred to in Matthew 25:46 does not entail an extinction of consciousness and annihilation? There are many evidences. For example, consider the fact that there are no degrees of annihilation. One is either annihilated or one is not. The Scriptures, by contrast, teach that there will be degrees of punishment on the day of judgment (Matthew 10:15; 11:21-24; 16:27; Luke 12:47-48; John 15:22; Hebrews 10:29; Revelation 20:11-15; 22:12).

    The very fact that people will suffer varying degrees of punishment in hell shows that annihilation or the extinction of consciousness is not taught in Matthew 25:46 or anywhere else in Scripture. These are incompatible concepts.

    Moreover, one cannot deny that for one who is suffering excruciating pain, the extinction of his or her consciousness would actually be a blessing--not a punishment (cf. Luke 23:30-31; Revelation 9:6). Any honest seeker after truth must admit that one cannot define "eternal punishment" as an extinction of consciousness.

    We must emphasize that torment cannot, by definition, be anything but conscious torment. One cannot torment a tree, a rock, or a house. By its very nature, being tormented requires consciousness. Bible scholar Alan Gomes correctly points out that "a punishment [such as torment] that is not felt is not a punishment. It is an odd use of language to speak of an insensate (i.e., unfeeling), inanimate object receiving punishment. To say, 'I punished my car for not starting by slowly plucking out its sparkplug wires, one by one,' would evoke laughter, not serious consideration." We repeat, then, that punishment entails consciousness!

    A critical point to make in regard to Matthew 25:46 is that this punishment is said to be eternal. There is no way that annihilationism or an extinction of consciousness can be forced into this passage. Indeed, the adjective aionion in this verse literally means "everlasting, without end." As noted earlier, this same adjective is predicated of God (the "eternal" God) in 1 Timothy 1:7, Romans 16:26, Hebrews 9:14, 13:8, and Revelation 4:9. The punishment of the wicked is just as eternal as our eternal God.

  • #2
    The Bible teaches Hell is a place of eternal punishment, not annihilation. Jesus said, “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life” (Matthew 25:46). Here in the same sentence, Christ uses the word “eternal” (aionos) to describe the duration of both Heaven and Hell.

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    • #3
      Annihilationism is the teaching that the unbeliever, after death, will eventually be annihilated. Annihilation is the teaching that the non-Christian ceases to exist after death. Within this view are two main categories. First, that the unredeemed will automatically be annihilated. Second, that the unredeemed, after an appropriate amount of time of suffering, will be annihilated. The reason for these positions are also twofold: First, people do not like the idea of a person suffering eternally for his sins. Second, some claim it makes God unjust. Let's take a look at these two issues.

      First of all, the Scriptures do not teach annihilationism.

      You can see that "forever and ever" is a phrase used of the glory of God that will never cease (1 Tim. 1:17; Rev. 5:13). The same phrase is used to speak of the torment of people that will never cease (Rev. 19:3; 20:10; ). Therefore, annihilationism simply can't work in light of what the Scriptures teach.

      Also, there is a danger of teaching a form of works righteousness in annihilation is him, particularly in the area of someone suffering for a period of time and then being annihilated. Basically, a person who has suffered an appropriate amount of time would then be delivered from that suffering -- because of his punishment. In other words, after the person has suffered enough, he has earned deliverance from the wrath of God. Annihilation is being delivered from the suffering.

      But some might say that the annihilation is eternal punishment. But how do you punish someone who does not exist? You cannot. You can't eternally punish someone who has no existence. Eternal punishment only works when the person is in existence.

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      • #4
        the idea that wicked souls will spend eternity in a fiery hell or lake of fire makes many people uncomfortable. It is far easier to believe in the Jehovah’s Witness idea of annihilation than to accept what the Scriptures plainly teach on this difficult subject. Yet, Jesus spoke of hell more than He spoke of heaven because this place is as real as heaven is real. If hell is merely the grave where unconscious human souls rest in peace, why would Jesus warn people over and over about the dangers of going to this awful place? At Luke 16, Jesus told a parable about a poor man named Lazarus who went to a blissful place at death while a rich man went to the eternal torments of a fiery hell. Although this story probably did not occur in real life, all of Jesus’ other parables resembled real-life situations. There is no reason to think that this story was any different. Revelation 20:15 says: “And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.”15. Do you know if your name is written in the Lamb’s book of life?

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        • #5
          According to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society when you die, you cease to exist (Let God be True, p. 59, 60, 67). On Judgment Day, only faithful Jehovah's Witnesses will be resurrected to life eternal on Paradise Earth. The rest of all mankind will be annihilated, wiped out, and made to not exist with no eternal punishment in a fiery hell.

          There is a logical problem with this view. If a Jehovah's Witness believes that he ceases to exist when he dies and that he will be resurrected at the Judgment Day, then is he really being resurrected? In other words, if he was alive and then has ceased to exist, he is in the same state he was before he was created. That is, he isn't. He has no existence. He is gone. The only remnant of this person would be in the memory of God (not counting family and friends, etc.). Only God would know if this Jehovah's Witness was good enough for Paradise Earth. If he was, then the reward would be a new creation of someone in the exact image of the Jehovah's Witness who previously lived and did all the works mandated by the Watchtower Organization; but it wouldn't be the exact same person because that person ceased to exist and there is no continuity and no continuance of the person since he has ceased to be.

          Therefore, on Judgment day, how can he be resurrected? That is, how is he, as the same person, resurrected when he doesn't exist anymore? Is he the exact same person, or did God make an exact copy of the person upon which to shower the blessings of Paradise Earth?

          It would seem that simple logic would contradict the idea of existence, non-existence, and then existence all being the same person. It also contradicts scripture which says,
          • "We are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord." (2 Cor. 5:8).
          • "I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago, whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows such a man was caught up to the third heaven." (2 Cor. 12:2).
          The Bible teaches us that we have an existence away from our bodies once we die. The Jehovah's Witnesses are incorrect. We continue on after death.
          If someone ceases to exist when they die, they are gone. Even if a person exactly like them with all their same thoughts and memories is created later, that is not a resurrection of the same person. The former person is gone.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by thomas1961 View Post
            The Bible teaches Hell is a place of eternal punishment, not annihilation. Jesus said, “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life” (Matthew 25:46). Here in the same sentence, Christ uses the word “eternal” (aionos) to describe the duration of both Heaven and Hell.
            Hell Is Not Eternal, However Death & Hell Will Be Cast Into The "Lake Of Fire" The Second Death, Which Is Eternal.

            Revelation 20:13-15King James Version (KJV)
            13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
            14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
            15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Truth7t7 View Post
              Hell Is Not Eternal, However Death & Hell Will Be Cast Into The "Lake Of Fire" The Second Death, Which Is Eternal.

              Revelation 20:13-15King James Version (KJV)
              13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
              14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
              15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
              You would perhaps be better informed by using a more accurate rendition of the passage you quoted.
              Joh 8:36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. [NIV]

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              • #8
                I recommend that all the posters with an interest in this topic pick up a copy of the book, "Four Views on Hell," edited by Stanley Gundry and William Crockett. In it you will find John Walvoord, William Crockett, Zachary Hayes, and Clark Pinnock arguing the literal, metaphorical, purgatorial, and conditional views respectively.

                I will point out two additional things to think about none of these authors broach:

                1) Two completely Greek words are used in speaking the end. The first word means decay and the second word means the cessation of existence.

                2) All of the mentions of fire, furnaces, etc. are all symbolic (even though most of these are images of annihilation, such as chaff in a furnace) and all the literal commentary statements are of destruction (such as Mt. 10:28's the body and soul being destroyed in hell - that's not a parable or other symbolic description; it's part of a plain commentary).


                Second, and at least one of the authors does broach and briefly discuss this, I would ask everyone, "What effect does fire have on a spirit?" We saw in Daniel's fiery furnace fire has no effect on the Spirit of the Son of Man or on the righteous spiritual who were with him. Does anyone truly think God has a literal barn in heaven? Does God also have a literal furnace? We understand the "wheat" and the "chaff" figuratively, so how is it that the furnace and barn are not also figurative?

                Third, just as three of the four of these authors is definitely incorrect, so is the possibility that Ron Rhodes is incorrect. And, of course, Gomes is incorrect. We kill some people who commit murder; we don't lock them up for many years and deprive them of the benefits of (conscious) freedom; we cause their earthly life to cease (and in America we do so in a way believed to be painless). Capital punishment is a punishment. To appeal to Gomes was nothing more than an appeal to authority and it's a fairly lame appeal, imo.


                Lastly, I'm not sure I see the reason to debate the matter. If I am offered a life of immortality, a life of incorruptible immortality, a life of incorruptible sinless immortality in glorifying service to my Creator, then why would I want either alternative (cessation of existence or endless torturous suffering)?


                I choose life.
                Last edited by Josheb; 07-23-17, 05:17 PM.
                All verses cited or quoted or in the NAS unless otherwise noted.

                “if anyone competes as an athlete, he does not win the prize unless he competes according to the rules.” (2 Tim. 2:5)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Truth7t7 View Post

                  Hell Is Not Eternal, However Death & Hell Will Be Cast Into The "Lake Of Fire" The Second Death, Which Is Eternal.

                  Revelation 20:13-15King James Version (KJV)
                  13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
                  14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
                  15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
                  The Bible teaches Hell is a place of eternal punishment, not annihilation. Jesus said, “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life” (Matthew 25:46). Here in the same sentence, Christ uses the word “eternal” (aionos) to describe the duration of both Heaven and Hell.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by thomas1961 View Post

                    The Bible teaches Hell is a place of eternal punishment, not annihilation. Jesus said, “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life” (Matthew 25:46). Here in the same sentence, Christ uses the word “eternal” (aionos) to describe the duration of both Heaven and Hell.
                    No Place In Matthew Chapter 25 Is Hell Used, Once Again Death And Hell Will Be Cast Into The Lake Of Fire, Hell Is Not Eternal

                    Hell Is Not Eternal, However Death & Hell Will Be Cast Into The "Lake Of Fire" The Second Death, Which Is Eternal.

                    Revelation 20:13-15King James Version (KJV)
                    13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
                    14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
                    15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by thomas1961
                      edit
                      Yes, thomas, we understand that is your position. We understand that is the majority held position of Protestant Christendom.


                      That doesn't address a single point I posted or answer a single question I asked. Here's what this looks like to the readers, thomas: You post a op that copies and pastes someone else's views and then make various comments to other posters relevant towhat they brought to the op. Then I come along broaching just three relevant concerns and the response is a single sentence, "Sorry Satan! annihilationism is Satan lie, not Biblical!," which is nothing more than restating the claim to be proven.


                      So it looks like you are either unwilling or unable to deal with my op-reply.

                      So here it is again in simplified form, with another additional inquiry at the end:


                      1) Did you know or had you realized that the two words "decay" and "destruction" are those the Bible uses?

                      2) In the figurative mentions of hell, hades, gehenna, etc. the terms two terms are used but in most of the literal comments the term is destruction (like Mt. 10:28)?

                      3) What effect does fire have on a spirit?"

                      4) Does anyone truly think God has a literal barn or furnace in heaven?

                      5) Appeals to authority are always fallacious. What makes Rhodes' position more Biblical than any of the four theologians I mentioned, especially since we can see at least one obvious flaw in Rhodes' commentary, the erroneous appeal to Gomes. Are you, thomas, the one who gets to decide which arguments from scripture are valid and which aren't? Men (and women) smarter, more learned, and more polite and respectful than you continue to debate the matter.


                      If death is not destroyed then it remains. If death is not destroyed then it can be let out again. If these two realities are the case then the "victory over death" isn't celebrated because death is dead but because death is bound and locked away for ages of ages. It isn't the death of death. Furthermore the spirit of death comes from God. So when God speaks of throughing death into the fiery lake He'd have to be talking about throwing part of Himself into the fiery lake. That's a real problem both theologically and logically.




                      And if edit is the very best answer you can muster then I'm content to have you tell all the readers that's the best response you can or will provide.

                      Thanks.
                      Last edited by Mod8; 07-24-17, 10:08 AM. Reason: quote box
                      All verses cited or quoted or in the NAS unless otherwise noted.

                      “if anyone competes as an athlete, he does not win the prize unless he competes according to the rules.” (2 Tim. 2:5)

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                      • #12
                        I stepped into a conversation that was going on in the CARM chatroom because it appeared that Cynthia was a universalist. This is a problem because universalists have been a huge problem in the past. They were very disruptive on the discussion boards and very insulting. So, I jumped in and the ensuing conversation occurred.

                        Matt Slick: Cyn, are you a universalist?
                        Cynthia: Hello matt--big no.
                        Matt Slick: Are you an annihilationist?
                        Cynthia: Yes.
                        Matt Slick: Are you Trinitarian?
                        Cynthia: But only after punishment in hell. Yes on Trinitarian
                        Matt Slick: So you teach people earn their salvation.
                        Cynthia: No I do not.
                        Matt Slick: Yes, you do.
                        Cynthia: Where did I do that sir?
                        Matt Slick: Tell me what salvation is.
                        Cynthia: Salvation is eternal life in Jesus Christ blood shed for me.
                        Matt Slick: That's not what salvation is. What are we saved from?
                        Cynthia: We are saved from sin and the consequences--2nd death
                        Matt Slick: We are saved from the righteous judgment of God. To be saved is to be saved from the judgment of God that falls upon sinners.
                        Cynthia: Yes I agree
                        Matt Slick: Now, since you agree to be saved is to be saved from the righteous judgment of God, then, since you teach that a person is punished for a while in hell and then is annihilated, that is being saved from the righteous judgment of God by your own suffering. Please tell me how that is not earning salvation since what you're saying is that a person earns the right to no longer be punished after they suffered enough.
                        Cynthia: Matt--you are putting words in my mouth sir.
                        Matt Slick: This is what you're saying. You say they are punished in hell for a while, and then the punishment stops because they're annihilated. So, they earned the cessation of the punishment after they've been punished enough. Tell me how that is not earning one's salvation.
                        Cynthia: Those who go to hell receive just measured punishment and then hell is thrown into the lake of fire and annihilated. How is that earning anything? They dissolve into nothingness.
                        Matt Slick: You are not answering my question.
                        Cynthia: Which question again
                        Matt Slick: I said that please tell me how is not earning one's salvation by suffering for a time, and then after you've paid what is due to your suffering, the suffering stops.
                        Cynthia: Because you aren't getting salvation duh.
                        Matt Slick: You earn, by your suffering, the stopping of the punishment. You don't understand what salvation is.
                        Cynthia: Not the same as salvation
                        Matt Slick: Salvation is not the same thing as justification. It is not the same thing as being delivered into the hands of God in heaven. You are teaching that after a person's suffering, they are delivered.
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                        • #13
                          Cynthia: No not delivered. dissolved into nothingness is DELIVERED? weird concept.
                          Matt Slick: Salvation means to be delivered from the righteous judgment of God. Our judgment fell upon Christ, and those for whom Christ died will be saved from that righteous judgment. That is what salvation is.
                          Cynthia: I have no problem with your definitions of salvation.
                          Matt Slick: So, according to you, a person sins, goes to hell, pays for their own sin for a while; and then after they paid what was due, they stop existing.
                          Cynthia: Roger.
                          Matt Slick: So, what you're saying is that after they have suffered, according to the law, they are then saved from the continued judgment of God. How is that not salvation by their works?
                          Cynthia: No God's judgment is measured--they get all that is measured for them.
                          Matt Slick: You're not answering my question.
                          Cynthia: No salvation comes for them I never said it did. You keep putting those words in my mouth.
                          Matt Slick: You were saying that after they have suffered enough, according to the law, they are then saved from the continued judgment of God. Please tell me how that is not salvation by their works.
                          Cynthia: You just told me what salvation was. It didn't include being dissolved
                          Matt Slick: I said salvation is being delivered from the righteous judgment of God due to a person's sin . . . Breaking the law . . . Therefore, the lawbreaker incurs a punishment due to the law. Therefore, those in hell are being punished according to law. That means that after they've fulfilled the requirements of the law, they are then annihilated. In other words, you're saying that after a person has done the work required by the law, they are then saved. They are then delivered from the continued righteous judgment of God. The judgment of God upon them stops.
                          Cynthia: Yes, because god is just.
                          Matt Slick: They have been saved from the judgment of God . . . by their own suffering. Please tell me how that is not salvation by works.
                          Cynthia: Because salvation is not the RESULT matt.
                          Matt Slick: Salvation is being delivered from the righteous judgment of God.
                          Cynthia: The result is justice
                          Matt Slick: I keep telling you that, and you've already agreed to it.
                          Cynthia: Not in that sense. You are playing with words Matt.
                          Matt Slick: So please tell me how they did not earn their own salvation by fulfilling the requirements of the law. Remember, after they fulfilled the requisite punishment time according to the law, the punishment of the law stops. In other words, they're saved from the righteous judgment of God in any continued sense. What you're telling me is that they are then saved from that righteous judgment through their own suffering.
                          Cynthia: Their judgment is righteous punishment measured. They receive it all. Not saved from the punishment. They are over, finished.
                          Matt Slick: Why do you teach that people, the wicked, who go to hell to their own suffering, are delivered from punishment?
                          Cynthia: 2 reasons. First is all punishment is measured. Second, hell and death are eventually destroyed in lake of fire--they are no more.
                          Matt Slick: Who said punishment is measured? Please show me that in Scripture. Rev. 14:11, “And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
                          Cynthia: There are more than a few. It would be some in the OT as a type and shadow, 3X to some 7X. Jesus also gives examples of measured punishment.
                          Matt Slick: Show me in Scripture where it says that a person stops existing after they paid for their own sins?
                          Cynthia: Smoke has to go somewhere.. and forever and ever doesn't mean infinitely.
                          Matt Slick: Forever and ever aionas ton aionon "ages of the ages." "Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen," (1 Tim. 1:17). " . . . To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever" (Rev. 5:13).
                          Cynthia: Laughing--slow down.
                          A woman and universalist tries to teach that annihilationism is biblical.

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                          • #14
                            Matt Slick: So are you saying then that the glory and honor due God will stop?
                            Cynthia: I haven't answered your previous question yet. Let me answer this one first . . . there is no scripture I know of that says a person stops existing after they paid their own sins except for possibly only god can kill a soul Matthew 10 something, I think.
                            Cynthia: So if god can kill a soul, what does that mean to you Matt?
                            Matt Slick: Eternal punishment. "And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever." (Rev. 20:10).
                            Cynthia: Kill = eternal pun? scripture for that.
                            Matt Slick: John the apostle tells us the devil with the beast and the false prophet (human being) are tormented day and night forever and ever. That is without end. Therefore, killing the soul in hell is forever. Why do you deny what God's word says? Is it because you don't like the idea of God punishing people forever?
                            Cynthia: Forever and ever is 2 evers/2ages. Forever and ever is the hang up apparently. And you do like the idea of god tormenting people for infinity?
                            Matt Slick: Whether or not I like it is irrelevant to whether or not it's true.
                            Cynthia: I know that . . .
                            Matt Slick: Personally I don't like it. But so what? The issue is what does God's word say?
                            Cynthia: So why did you ask me the question then if it doesn't matter what we think?
                            Matt Slick: I'm giving you Scripture that demonstrates eternal punishment. You are the one in here pushing annihilationism
                            Cynthia: So if that upsets you I will leave.
                            Matt Slick: Those who hold to annihilationism and universalism are similar in my experience. They tend to argue the one point and derail all conversations. They effectively stop evangelism.
                            Cynthia: I don't believe that
                            Matt Slick: Why should someone repent now when the punishment will end?
                            Cynthia: Because they want to live with Jesus forever, that's why.
                            Matt Slick: You don't understand with what God says apparently. In Romans 3:10-12, it says that no one seek for God, none understand, they are all unrighteous . . . So you're wrong about that.
                            Cynthia: Prove it false then.
                            Matt Slick: I already have with Scripture. But proof is different from persuasion. You reject what the word of God says in this area. Rev. 14:11: "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name." So please tell me, does that mean that their torment will end? Forever and ever aionas ton aionon "ages of the ages."
                            Cynthia: I told you our hang up on our differences is on the word definition used to translate forever and ever.
                            Matt Slick: "Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen." (1 Tim. 1:17). The exact same phrases used regarding the honor and glory of God. Will that also end?
                            Cynthia: No.
                            A woman and universalist tries to teach that annihilationism is biblical.

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                            • #15
                              Matt Slick: So you believe it will end when the Bible says it won't.
                              Cynthia: Because he is LIFE.
                              Matt Slick: And when the same phrase is used of God's glory and of the punishment. So, you are being inconsistent.
                              Cynthia: Its the difference between light and dark, death and life
                              Matt Slick: The Greek phrase aionas ton aionon, which is translated "forever and ever," occurs 18 times in the Greek New Testament. In 17 of them, the phrase means without end, extending into infinity. In Rev. 19:3, the phrase is used to describe the destruction of the great whore of Babylon (Rev. 17:1, 4) whose smoke ascends forever and ever. It, too, is eternal; and it signifies the beginning of the eternal judgment that comes upon her.
                              Cynthia: No life trumps dark. Life trumps death.
                              Matt Slick: That is a meaningless statement.
                              Cynthia: Life trumps death is meaningless?
                              Matt Slick: It can mean whatever you want it to mean in the discussion. Life doesn't triumph over death. Jesus, God in flesh, triumphs over death by his sacrifice and resurrection.
                              Cynthia: Matt, this is the area were we differ. the definition of the word aionas and aionon.
                              Matt Slick: I've done a study in the Greek--a rather extensive study. You can read on my website. I quoted you what the Greek phrase is. I have shown you how it's used in reference to God and his glory. I've shown you how it has used the same phrase in reference to eternal damnation, yet you refuse to believe that they mean the same thing. For you, they take on different meanings depending on whether or not it's according to your preconceived idea of punishment. "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life" (Matt. 25:46). So in Matthew 25:46, is the eternal punishment forever along with eternal life? Or, does its eternal punishment end along with eternal life?
                              Cynthia: I have old books that give different definitions which I believe are not in vogue now. Eternal life and eternal death. ok I will talk about this give me a minute
                              Matt Slick: "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life" (Matt. 25:46). The same Greek word is used that describes "eternal" punishment as well as "eternal" life. If someone's eternal punishment ends, then why don't you also say that their eternal life also ends?
                              Cynthia: Eternal life in the context of its use is speaking of the heavenly realm regarding Rev. 21-22 right?
                              Matt Slick: It is Matt. 25:46.
                              Cynthia: Let me go there. Ok. I agree in the concept that they go there to each place. But that it is intermediate/temporal in the sense that it happens before the Great White Throne. I'm saying that the good saved go to heaven (eternal life as described in Rev 21 and 22) and the unsaved go to hell.
                              Matt Slick: "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life" (Matt. 25:46). The same Greek word is used that describes "eternal" punishment as well as "eternal" life. If someone's eternal punishment ends, then why don't you also say that their eternal life also ends?
                              A woman and universalist tries to teach that annihilationism is biblical.

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