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  • #61
    Originally posted by Diego 1618 View Post
    Originally posted by yosef View Post
    My enthusiasm for CARM has been tempered by the realization that very few are actually interested in reasoned discussion/debate. Most seem only interested in defending the belief system they inherited from a corrupt world. C'est la vie, indeed.
    How 'bout you, yosef?

    Do you have any questions regarding the Sabbath resurrection that has been hidden from mainstream Christianity for almost 2000 years?

    It appears there are few takers to my challenge.....for what reasons I'm not sure........
    You ignored my requests and questions.
    Joh 8:36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. [NIV]

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Trucker View Post

      You ignored my requests and questions.
      To be courteous I'll just say......I don't like dealing with rude people. You can go ahead and try to convince yourself there is another reason I ignore you.....but it's really just because you're rude.

      You probably won't hear from me again..............
      The stone was not rolled away from the tomb so He could come out. It was removed so the world could look in.......... and see that the tomb was empty.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by ontheBeam View Post

        I am not Yosef, but I do have something to add to the debate and that is I really do not care when Jesus arose, only that He did. I serve a risen Savior.

        I will say the debate is interesting and you brought up some good debating, I shall call it fire power for the use of a better term. We are fortunate beyond belief to have the Holy Writ even if it has a few errors. The Plan of Salvation is there intact.

        The fact that evening does start at noon brings up the question as to when the Israelite Sabbath originally began. Noon would be more accurate that sunset especially in mountainous areas and North and South pole regions.
        I think it's good to try and figure things out that just don't seem square to scripture and the resurrection story has always had some differing opinions regarding its chronology. You are correct in saying that the fact that our Savior rose is the only important thing.....but I don't think the Great God of the universe minds us attempting to nail down the chronology [Proverbs 25:2].

        I'm pretty sure that the new day (Biblically) starts at sundown. The confusion regarding "Evening" or the Hebrew, "ereb"....stems from the fact that by the time the King James folks started translating the scriptures.....the English word "evening" meant something else entirely different from the Hebrew definition of "ereb"....hence the confusion in the chronology.
        The stone was not rolled away from the tomb so He could come out. It was removed so the world could look in.......... and see that the tomb was empty.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by e v e View Post

          What you explained about resurrection and sabbath made sense... and has to be... since the day of rest is the only day reserved for Him... when to remember and hold to our promise - and hope for - Shiloh which is His Return and our restoration... and will be our own resurrection from the dead... (His defacto undoing of the fall when Man entered death) .... this being the Change.

          and that is what He showed us at His resurrection... that it was on the sabbath is important... thank you.

          and the mistranslation of scripture is a given, and intentional.
          I think it's important to remember just where this "fairy tale" that Sunday has some kind of religious importance came from. It's not called the day of the "Sun" for nothing and the infant Catholic Church wished to assign it some reverence in their new interpretation of just what really took place.....and when it did. "Sol Invictus", The Unconquered Sun was one of the major gods of pagan Rome....and his special day was Sunday. It was only natural that the Roman Catholic Church would want him included in their new religion......so they changed the day of resurrection and informed the laity. They just couldn't change the original Greek....and this is where they were caught!

          Martin Luther was and avid anti semite.....so dissing the Sabbath seemed O.K. to him.....and the confusion continued.
          The stone was not rolled away from the tomb so He could come out. It was removed so the world could look in.......... and see that the tomb was empty.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Diego 1618 View Post
            To be courteous I'll just say......I don't like dealing with rude people. You can go ahead and try to convince yourself there is another reason I ignore you.....but it's really just because you're rude.

            You probably won't hear from me again..............
            Straight talk is often mistaken, and often conveniently so, as rudeness. I asked you simple but relevant questions.

            Suit yourself.
            Joh 8:36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. [NIV]

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            • #66

              Originally posted by Diego 1618 View Post

              To be courteous I'll just say......I don't like dealing with rude people. You can go ahead and try to convince yourself there is another reason I ignore you.....but it's really just because you're rude.

              You probably won't hear from me again..............

              I wholeheartedly agree.

              that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
              (Mt 18:16, Deut. 17:6; 19:15; John 8:17; 2 Cor. 13:1).

              Trucker
              The apostolic word of God by the Twelve is the highest written authority, for it binds and loosens (Mat 16-19).
              Then the foundational prophets - NO OTHER WORKS QUALIFY

              Get rid of the dross in the Roman Canon - Raise My Word to the HIGHEST place

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Diego 1618 View Post

                I think it's important to remember just where this "fairy tale" that Sunday has some kind of religious importance came from. It's not called the day of the "Sun" for nothing and the infant Catholic Church wished to assign it some reverence in their new interpretation of just what really took place.....and when it did. "Sol Invictus", The Unconquered Sun was one of the major gods of pagan Rome....and his special day was Sunday. It was only natural that the Roman Catholic Church would want him included in their new religion......so they changed the day of resurrection and informed the laity. They just couldn't change the original Greek....and this is where they were caught!

                Martin Luther was and avid anti semite.....so dissing the Sabbath seemed O.K. to him.....and the confusion continued.
                well the context is Nephesh soul not ape dna.

                the adamite soul...

                luther, as many, confused and not understanding the true topic is not
                the dna of fallen flesh but whose souls - His souls or
                Those of canaan.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Diego 1618 View Post

                  Martin Luther was and avid anti semite.....so dissing the Sabbath seemed O.K. to him.....and the confusion continued.
                  Let's explore further......

                  One of the most poignant passages regarding the crucifixion/resurrection is this:

                  [Matthew 12:40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

                  Just where is the "heart of the Earth"? And.....why would He be there?

                  Ask any casual Christian and they will tell you it means.....The Tomb! Does it? It was to be a very important sign as to what would follow so it shouldn't be to hard to figure out.
                  The stone was not rolled away from the tomb so He could come out. It was removed so the world could look in.......... and see that the tomb was empty.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Diego 1618 View Post

                    Let's explore further......

                    One of the most poignant passages regarding the crucifixion/resurrection is this:

                    [Matthew 12:40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

                    Just where is the "heart of the Earth"? And.....why would He be there?

                    Ask any casual Christian and they will tell you it means.....The Tomb! Does it? It was to be a very important sign as to what would follow so it shouldn't be to hard to figure out.
                    That should be "TOO"............as in also.
                    The stone was not rolled away from the tomb so He could come out. It was removed so the world could look in.......... and see that the tomb was empty.

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                    • #70
                      Any ideas what "Heart of the Earth" means? We should find out because He was there for three days and three nights and it's awful easy to prove it wasn't only the tomb.
                      The stone was not rolled away from the tomb so He could come out. It was removed so the world could look in.......... and see that the tomb was empty.

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