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Are ANY of you willing to set your church dogma aside & look at scripture?

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  • Are ANY of you willing to set your church dogma aside & look at scripture?

    That's what it TAKES to SEE- and most appear to prefer Blindness....

  • #2
    Originally posted by Stupendousman! View Post
    That's what it TAKES to SEE- and most appear to prefer Blindness....
    Which of these scriptures is correct ?:- and which ones would you recommend humans follow?

    2 nd Cor 5: 10 or Rom 8: 1

    Rom 5: 20 or Heb 10: 26

    Rom 2: 13 or Gal 2: 16

    Rom 10: 4 or Rom 3: 31

    Heb 13: 17 or Acts 5: 29

    Luke 23: 39-43 or Matt 27: 44

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    • #3
      Originally posted by DANNO View Post

      Which of these scriptures is correct ?:- and which ones would you recommend humans follow?

      2 nd Cor 5: 10 or Rom 8: 1

      Rom 5: 20 or Heb 10: 26

      Rom 2: 13 or Gal 2: 16

      Rom 10: 4 or Rom 3: 31

      Heb 13: 17 or Acts 5: 29

      Luke 23: 39-43 or Matt 27: 44

      Why not POST them?
      One or 2 at a time to discuss?

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      • #4
        AND answer the question?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Stupendousman! View Post

          Why not POST them?
          One or 2 at a time to discuss?


          Look them up and tell us which ones are correct and which you would advise the members / Lurkers to follow?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Stupendousman! View Post
            AND answer the question?

            I dont belong to any church Denomination.,
            I hope this answers your question.

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            • #7
              John 1:18. No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known.

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              • #8
                Sure. What ya got in mind?
                All verses cited or quoted or in the NAS unless otherwise noted.

                “if anyone competes as an athlete, he does not win the prize unless he competes according to the rules.” (2 Tim. 2:5)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by CrowCross View Post
                  John 1:18. No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known.
                  Corrupt Translation.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DANNO View Post
                    Look them up and tell us which ones are correct and which you would advise the members / Lurkers to follow?
                    No Post, no Look-up.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Stupendousman! View Post

                      Corrupt Translation.
                      That's the first thing every cult yells...CORRUPT TRANSLATION!!!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by CrowCross View Post

                        That's the first thing every cult yells...CORRUPT TRANSLATION!!!

                        No, the first thing edit per mod do is USE corrupt translations.

                        John 1:18- No one has ever seen God; the only son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known.- RSV
                        John 1:18- No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.- KJV
                        John 1:18- No one has ever seen God.The One and Only Son— the one who is at the Father’s side— he has revealed Him.- Holman
                        Last edited by 4Him; 07-16-18, 10:02 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Stupendousman! View Post

                          No, the first thing edit per mod do is USE corrupt translations.

                          John 1:18- No one has ever seen God; the only son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known.- RSV
                          John 1:18- No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.- KJV
                          John 1:18- No one has ever seen God.The One and Only Son— the one who is at the Father’s side— he has revealed Him.- Holman
                          You said..." Are ANY of you willing to set your church dogma aside & look at scripture?"

                          You indicated the "Church" looks at scripture with blindness based upon dogma.

                          So I presented a verse. John 1:18. So, lets look at that scripture...
                          The KJV puts it this way...John 1:18- No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

                          Your only rebuttal.....you use a "corrupt translation".
                          Stupendousman!, You never showed why or how. Sheeze, you started a thread which claimed you were going to look at church dogma via scripture.

                          Lets back up and start off with the following verses and look at it in light of ...in the same context of what John wrote earlier..

                          1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.....14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

                          Here we can see is that the Word was God. We also see the Word is called a "HE"....skip to verse 14 and we see the Word who is God was made flesh...baby Jesus. Or as Church dogma puts it...the incarnation.


                          The question is what does "only begotten" mean?
                          Add to that what does "bosom of the Father" mean?

                          With out getting into the "Greek"..."only begotten" means...."pertaining to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship." Many of the cults like to put a modern day spin on the term and use it to suggest Jesus was created in some fashion. These cults fail to realize that in verse 3 John informs us that.. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
                          In other words....the Word that became flesh created all things. If God created the Word then John was wrong as then the Word who was God that became flesh didn't create all things.
                          John puts it. correctly. The Word which. was in the beginning with God had no beginning. The Word is God.

                          The bosom of the Father, in verse 18 denotes unity of nature, and essence.

                          So Stupendousman!...please do tell me why I should set my "Church dogma" aside and switch to your cult like "dogma"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by CrowCross View Post

                            That's the first thing every cult yells...CORRUPT TRANSLATION!!!
                            There are only 2 types of translating on earth--Catholicism, And JW.( the Hebrews may have done the NT as well)-- No originals remained when the protestants translated, they used Catholicism translating. So all relying on the accuracy of Catholicism translating should really take a good look. Their eternal lives are dependent on them knowing truth( John 4:22-24) It is Gods will. Facts and the teachings of Jesus prove 100% the errors found in every trinity based translation. They Are being duped down the wrong path.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by kjw47 View Post

                              There are only 2 types of translating on earth--Catholicism, And JW.( the Hebrews may have done the NT as well)-- No originals remained when the protestants translated, they used Catholicism translating. So all relying on the accuracy of Catholicism translating should really take a good look. Their eternal lives are dependent on them knowing truth( John 4:22-24) It is Gods will. Facts and the teachings of Jesus prove 100% the errors found in every trinity based translation. They Are being duped down the wrong path.
                              Thank you fo pointing out that John 3:16 was translated incorrectly.

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