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    Regardless of how Christ is interpreted; one thing is for sure: unless people somehow eat his flesh and drink his blood, they have no life in them; viz: they are quite dead on the hoof.

    John 6:53 . . Jesus said: "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you."

    The kind of life about which he spoke is not organic life; rather, it is a supernatural kind of life.

    John 6:54 . . .Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life,

    According to John 10:28, eternal life is an imperishable kind of life. In other words; people only have to obtain it once, and they never have to obtain it again because eternal life cannot die, nor does it spoil or decay. Were that not true, then God would've died of old age long ago.
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    Originally posted by Od:hgd View Post
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    Regardless of how Christ is interpreted; one thing is for sure: unless people somehow eat his flesh and drink his blood, they have no life in them; viz: they are quite dead on the hoof.

    John 6:53 . . Jesus said: "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you."

    The kind of life about which he spoke is not organic life; rather, it is a supernatural kind of life.

    John 6:54 . . .Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life,

    According to John 10:28, eternal life is an imperishable kind of life. In other words; people only have to obtain it once, and they never have to obtain it again because eternal life cannot die, nor does it spoil or decay. Were that not true, then God would've died of old age long ago.
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    We are to feed upon the Bread of life, which is the body of THE WORD of life the Bibles says in Jesus. The Blood we are to drink in is the Spirit of life that washes and cleanses us in the Blood of Christ with the Living Water of The Word to wash away OUR SINFUL WAYS.
    Salvation is a gift, but your heavenly rewards are earned as you grow in the Word to maturity in the image of the Word, in the image of Christ who is the image of the invisible God.
    The purpose of my posts are not to cause bicker or division, but to show truth from the scripture for edifying of the soul. It does not matter what we think, it is what God's Word says that matters.

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      John 6:52 . .The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”

      His opponents weren't alone in their struggle to understand Jesus; his followers were baffled too.

      John 6:60 . .Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?”
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        That is because he was speaking in a spiritual manner, and they could only see the carnal, which grossed them, they did not rightly divide the Word of God.
        In order to Come-Union with God, we must accept and receive His Word/Manna/Bread/Christ of God and the only way we can do that, is by the Spirit drawing us. The Spirit of our adoption as children of God born again from above to heavenly Jerusalem, the Barren Woman of Rev.12:1-5 who feeds and nourishes her children on the milk and meat of the Word... Breakfast of Champions, humbling speaking
        The purpose of my posts are not to cause bicker or division, but to show truth from the scripture for edifying of the soul. It does not matter what we think, it is what God's Word says that matters.

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          The passage below is deliberately misquoted. Watch for it.

          John 6:63 . . The words I have spoken to you are spiritual

          I checked with the ASV, the KJV, the NKJV, the NIV, the RSV, the ESV, the NAS, the NASB, the NLT, the official Catholic version, and even the Jehovah's Witness version and none of them say "spiritual", they all say spirit

          Well; I can understand some Spanish, but spirit is totally out of my depth. I can read the spirit words that Jesus spoke because they're translated into English, which is a language I understand. But though I easily understand the English version of Jesus' spirit words, I don't know what they're saying because they're coded in spirit.

          This problem is very similar to computer code. I can easily read computer code when it's written with English numbers, letters, and symbols; but I haven't the foggiest notion what that code is saying though it's written with numbers, letters, and symbols very familiar to me.

          The passage below is misquoted too.

          John 6:63 . . The words that I have spoken unto you are living.

          No, it doesn't say "living" it says the words are life.
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            John 6:66 . . From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

            Well; we can hardly find fault with their decision to go away; I mean after all, the man was not only talking about cannibalism; but it is a breech of the Jews' covenant with God to eat blood.

            Lev 7:27 . . If anyone eats blood, that person must be cut off from his people.

            Lev 17:10 . . Any Israelite, or any alien living among them, who eats any blood-- I will set My face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

            Someone might object that those passages forbid eating the blood of birds and beasts, but don't specifically outlaw eating human blood. Personally I don't see how the latter would be any less disgusting than the former, but I'm willing to leave the human blood question to each man's own conscience because, to my knowledge, the Bible doesn't address vampirism.

            John 6:67-68 . .Then Jesus said to the twelve, "Do you also want to go away?" But Simon Peter answered Him, "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life."

            I think most of us are willing to concede that Jesus has the words of eternal life; but unfortunately John 6:63 says his words are in code, viz: they're spirit words; which of course requires we have access to a spirit language translator in order to understand them.

            Well; I can find a pretty good variety of language translators on the internet; but I have yet to find one that translates a spirit language. In my judicious opinion, when people attempt to understand Jesus' words without a spirit language translator, they are like a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there.
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              John 6:63 . . It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:

              There are religious movements-- e.g. Jehovah's Witnesses -- that sincerely believe human existence is entirely physical. But according to Jas 2:26, the physical component is only half the story.

              I'm convinced that the "flesh" spoken of in John 6:63 isn't Christ's flesh, it's ordinary human flesh. And the "spirit" spoken of isn't the Holy Spirit, rather, it's the spirit spoken of in Jas 2:26.

              In other words: human flesh isn't self sustaining. It cannot survive on its own; not even by eating manna which, in Moses' day, was the most nutritious food to be found anywhere on Earth. Ergo: remove the spirit component from human existence, and the physical component will drop dead to the floor no matter what it had for breakfast because it's the spirit component of human existence that keeps the physical component alive.

              The life that Jesus spoke of in John 6:53, John 6:54, and John 6:63 is pretty amazing stuff. Its primary purpose is to sustain one's spirit not with ordinary human life, rather, with eternal life.

              When people correctly eat Jesus' flesh, and correctly drink his blood; they are in possession of eternal life right now-- no delay and no waiting period. Note the grammatical tense of Jesus' statement below; it's present tense rather than future.

              John 6:54 . . Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood "has" eternal life
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                FAQ: What is the correct way to eat Jesus' flesh and drink his blood?

                A: I wish I had a pat answer for that question but thus far, it has eluded me.

                However I think it's pretty safe to rule out the Roman Catholic method because the kind of life obtained by eating Jesus' flesh and drinking his blood is eternal life. (John 6:54)

                Well; eternal life is an imperishable kind of life that can neither die, spoil, decay, or wax old. So if Catholics were getting eternal life from Rome's communion service, they would have to partake of the elements just one time only seeing as how eternal life is impervious to death; viz: it can't be used up, nor does it wear off or wear out-- eternal life is perpetual; and if not, then why call it eternal?

                Moses' people had to eat manna every day because one meal of it was not enough to sustain their bodies forever. But the bread that comes down from heaven need be eaten only once, and never again.

                John 6:50-51 . . This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever:


                POP QUIZ: The "bread" that Jesus spoke of in that verse is his body, i.e. his flesh and blood (1Cor 10:17). But which version of his body was he talking about? His crucified body, or his glorified body?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Od:hgd View Post
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                  Regardless of how Christ is interpreted; one thing is for sure: unless people somehow eat his flesh and drink his blood, they have no life in them; viz: they are quite dead on the hoof.

                  John 6:53 . . Jesus said: "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you."

                  The kind of life about which he spoke is not organic life; rather, it is a supernatural kind of life.

                  John 6:54 . . .Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life,

                  According to John 10:28, eternal life is an imperishable kind of life. In other words; people only have to obtain it once, and they never have to obtain it again because eternal life cannot die, nor does it spoil or decay. Were that not true, then God would've died of old age long ago.
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                  Until the reformation, Christians understood that Christ is truly present in the Eucharist. Baptism affirms initial conversion; eucharist is about continuing to remain as part of body of Christ.

                  The discourse on the true vine in John 15 shows the importance of abiding in Christ and Christ abiding in us:

                  Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me. I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned. John 15:4-6

                  How does Christ abide in us and we in him? Through the Eucharist:

                  For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. John 6:56

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Theophilos View Post

                    Until the reformation, Christians understood that Christ is truly present in the Eucharist.
                    Therefore if they say to you ....
                    Look, the Christ is in the inner rooms!
                    - tabernacles
                    do not believe it
                    . (Mat 24:26).



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                    The 2 end-time prophets will preach a return to the FOUNDATIONAL apostles and prophets to those, who are intoxicated on the Roman harlotry of adding tares to the word of God
                    Get rid of the dross in the Roman Canon - Raise My Word to the HIGHEST place

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Od:hgd View Post
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                      Regardless of how Christ is interpreted; one thing is for sure: unless people somehow eat his flesh and drink his blood, they have no life in them; viz: they are quite dead on the hoof.

                      John 6:53 . . Jesus said: "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you."

                      The kind of life about which he spoke is not organic life; rather, it is a supernatural kind of life.

                      John 6:54 . . .Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life,

                      According to John 10:28, eternal life is an imperishable kind of life. In other words; people only have to obtain it once, and they never have to obtain it again because eternal life cannot die, nor does it spoil or decay. Were that not true, then God would've died of old age long ago.
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                      It is true that we must eat the flesh of Jesus and drink His blood, symbolically. We eat Jesus flesh in the bread, and drink His blood in the grape juice - symbolically. Literally we eat His flesh and drink His blood by reading and obeying His Word to us. But God's Word does not teach once saved always saved. God's Word teaches us that we are free moral agents and therefore are always free to turn back or to stay with Jesus. That freedom to choose is never taken away. But there does come a time when God says that that decision is eternal and therefore safe to save.

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                        John 6:51 . . I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.

                        The flesh that Jesus gave for the life of the world was his natural flesh. We know that's true because glorified flesh is immortal, whereas natural flesh is easily destroyed.

                        The body that Jesus shared with his men at the last supper is the one that died on the cross.

                        Luke 22:19 . . And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying: This is my body given for you

                        1Cor 11:23-24 . .The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said: This is my body, which is for you

                        In addition, the blood that Jesus shared with his men wasn't glorified blood, it was natural blood.

                        Matt 26:27-29 . .Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying: Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. (See also Mark 14:23-24, Luke 22:20)

                        FAQ: If it's true that Roman Catholics are supposed to be eating Jesus' natural flesh, and drinking his natural blood in their communion elements (a.k.a. species) then from whence are they getting Jesus' natural flesh and blood when his natural body no longer exists?

                        A: That's a very good question seeing as how 1Cor 15:50 implies that natural bodies are barred access to the kingdom of God.
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                          According to 1Cor 15:50, flesh and blood is barred access to the kingdom of God, which tells me that the design of Jesus' glorious body is very different than the design of his original body; ergo: the design of his true believing followers' glorious bodies will be very different too. (Phil 3:20-21)

                          Though Jesus Christ's glorious body is no longer the very same body in which he was crucified, it is still capable of dining upon ordinary foods.

                          Luke 22:15-16 . . I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. For I tell you: I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.

                          And capable of imbibing ordinary beverages too.

                          Matt 26:29 . . I tell you: I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom.

                          And also visible to the naked eye.

                          Acts 1:11 . . Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched him go into heaven.

                          Rev 1:7 . . Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him.
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                            John 6:53 . . Jesus said: "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you."

                            John 6:54 . . .Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life,

                            John 6:50-51a . . This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever.

                            FAQ: Does any of the above apply to Old Testament personages, e.g. Able, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joshua. Ruth, Gideon, Samson, and David, et al?

                            A: Yes; all of them.

                            FAQ: How do you know that?

                            A: Jesus' crucifixion benefits the whole world rather than only a portion of the world.

                            John 6:51b . . the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.

                            1John 2:2 . . He himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the whole world.

                            John 1:29 . . Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

                            FAQ: Did they even know about Jesus back then?

                            A: Abraham knew.

                            John 8:56 . . Abraham rejoiced to see my day, and he saw it and was glad.

                            Jacob knew.

                            Gen 49:18 . .I have waited for thy salvation, O Lord

                            Isaiah knew.

                            Isa 52:14 . .There were many who were appalled at him-- his appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any man and his form marred beyond human likeness

                            Isa 53:6 . .We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

                            David knew.

                            Ps 16:10 . .You will not abandon me to the grave, nor will you let your Holy One see decay. (cf. Acts 2:25-36)

                            FAQ: Well, if there was no such thing as a communion service until Jesus' last supper, then how did those people back there eat his flesh and drink his blood?

                            A: Hook, line, and sinker; if you get my drift. For example:

                            Many years ago, when I was a young welder just starting out in the trade, a Baptist man employed by the same company for whom I worked; asked me if I was going to heaven. Of course I replied that I didn't know: I was a Catholic, and Catholics don't know things like that. Then he asked me the question that put my life on a whole new track: Haven't you heard that Christ died for you?

                            Of course I had heard of Christ's crucifixion in catechism, but not till that moment did I realize it was so personal, and especially; so complete.

                            Coincidentally, I had only recently been doing some serious thinking about hell. The way I figured it; this kid would never be good enough to merit going to heaven, so hell was pretty much a foregone conclusion for the likes of me. But the very moment that man's question sank into my thick skull; I instantly knew that heaven was in the bag. I had swallowed the story about the offering of Jesus' flesh and blood for my sins hook, line, and sinker.

                            Some may call me nave for so easily buying into Jesus' dying for my sins, but I don't feel nave; no, I feel very fortunate.

                            Mark 10:15 . . I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.
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