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Did Men Receive Eternal Life Prior to the Cross?

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  • Did Men Receive Eternal Life Prior to the Cross?

    A popular belief is that Adam had eternal life, lost it, and now we are trying to get it back. I would suggest that no man received Eternal Life until God reconciled mankind unto Himself and began something brand new...immersing believers into Himself in Eternal Union.

    Was any man in Christ prior to Pentecost? Was Jew and Gentile one in Christ prior to Pentecost? Was any man reconciled to God prior to the Cross?

    I will start this conversation with one verse to support that Eternal Life did not begin until the Cross:


    John 3:16 King James Version (KJV)

    16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


    God bless.
    The Holiness of God is traumatic to unholy people (R.C. Sproul).

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    Originally posted by S.T.Ranger View Post
    A popular belief is that Adam had eternal life, lost it, and now we are trying to get it back.
    What Adam and Eve had in terms of "eternal physical life" isn't known, and totally unimportant anyway, since God knew that they'd die spiritually as soon as he was given the chance to do so and that their PHYSICAL bodies would undergo physical deterioration.

    Apparently, Adam AFTER the fall could have eaten of the "Tree of life" and lived forever, which God immediately protected against by tossing them OUT of the Garden where that tree was.

    We aren't "TRYING" to get anything back, and wouldn't be capable of doing anything about it anyway.

    God, knowing was was going to go down from before creation, had already engineered the WAY for us to enter eternal life by faith (which HE would give us) in Jesus' SIN OFFERING that cleanses from SIN.

    John 3:16 is in the context of "All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God". So assuming that Babies, as innocents, are NOT damned when they die / are murdered in the womb, we HAD eternal life, but as soon as we figured out to rebel, and LOSE IT, we all did. I expect to meet Angeline (our first who didn't make it) as she is on the other side -

    Simple as that.
    Last edited by Bob Carabbio; 04-17-19, 11:41 AM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by S.T.Ranger View Post
      A popular belief is that Adam had eternal life, lost it, and now we are trying to get it back. I would suggest that no man received Eternal Life until God reconciled mankind unto Himself and began something brand new...immersing believers into Himself in Eternal Union.

      Was any man in Christ prior to Pentecost? Was Jew and Gentile one in Christ prior to Pentecost? Was any man reconciled to God prior to the Cross?

      I will start this conversation with one verse to support that Eternal Life did not begin until the Cross:


      John 3:16 King James Version (KJV)

      16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


      God bless.
      At this point in time, no man has been raised to eternal life except Jesus. The last trump has not sounded and the resurrection has not occurred.

      That being said, the gospel was preached to men for a long long long time before Christ went to the cross.
      Galatians 3
      7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
      Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

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      • #4

        Originally posted by StephenC View Post

        At this point in time, no man has been raised to eternal life except Jesus. The last trump has not sounded and the resurrection has not occurred.

        That being said, the gospel was preached to men for a long long long time before Christ went to the cross.
        Galatians 3
        7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
        It is true that no man has been glorified, which is the completion of our Eternal salvation physically, but those who are born again and immersed into God (baptized into Christ) have received eternal life:


        1 John 5:13 King James Version (KJV)

        13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.


        As far as men being born again prior to Pentecost, I would suggest to you that no-one was born again until Pentecost, when men received Eternal Life by reason of their immersion into God and His Eternal Indwelling. I would love to have you join the discussion in a thread relevant to the specific issue of whether men were regenerated in the Old Testament Eras:

        Here is a thread dealing with that.

        But if you want to thresh it out in this thread that is okay as well, because REgeneration is relevant to whether men received eternal life in the Old Testament, and if we can see that men were not born again then, and that being born again is receiving Eternal life, then we can answer the question of the OP.

        In the verse above we see that Scripture-not Abraham-foresaw that God would justify Gentiles by faith, and secondly...it is a future event and only a promise at that time. The Justification in view is not the Justification which is temporal, as Abraham enjoyed during his lifetime (which secured his eternal destiny) which was based on what he did, but that which is eternal and based on what Christ did at the Cross and through His Resurrection.

        Regeneration is the receiving of life we were not born with, hence...we are born again, and this time of God. Nicodemus asks how a man can be born from above (of God) and born of the Spirit (of God) and Christ responds thus...


        John 3:9, 14-16 King James Version (KJV)

        9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?


        14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

        15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

        16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


        Christ had to die in order for men to receive the life (eternal) He came to give. We see that His Resurrection is also relevant:


        1 Peter 1:3 King James Version (KJV)

        3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,


        One thjing I would also point out at this time is that Adam did not have eternal life, because if he did...he lost it when thrust out of the Garden, and that conflicts with the numerous texts that show that eternal life is in fact everlasting, so losing it would disqualify that life which is lost as "everlasting/eternal."


        God bless.
        The Holiness of God is traumatic to unholy people (R.C. Sproul).

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        • #5

          Originally posted by S.T.Ranger View Post
          It is true that no man has been glorified, which is the completion of our Eternal salvation physically, but those who are born again and immersed into God (baptized into Christ) have received eternal life:
          One man has been glorified. Christ prayed to be glorified at the last supper and received it after his death and resurrection.

          Most people who have been baptized are dead and thus have not received eternal life to date.


          Originally posted by S.T.Ranger View Post
          As far as men being born again prior to Pentecost, I would suggest to you that no-one was born again until Pentecost, when men received Eternal Life by reason of their immersion into God and His Eternal Indwelling. I would love to have you join the discussion in a thread relevant to the specific issue of whether men were regenerated in the Old Testament Eras:

          Here is a thread dealing with that.
          The available evidence indicates that everybody at the event in Acts has died and are still dead. It cannot be said that they have already received eternal life.

          Originally posted by S.T.Ranger View Post
          But if you want to thresh it out in this thread that is okay as well, because REgeneration is relevant to whether men received eternal life in the Old Testament, and if we can see that men were not born again then, and that being born again is receiving Eternal life, then we can answer the question of the OP.
          Yes, when we are born again of spirit and of water we will have eternal life. That has only happened to Jesus thus far.


          Originally posted by S.T.Ranger View Post
          In the verse above we see that Scripture-not Abraham-foresaw that God would justify Gentiles by faith, and secondly...it is a future event and only a promise at that time. The Justification in view is not the Justification which is temporal, as Abraham enjoyed during his lifetime (which secured his eternal destiny) which was based on what he did, but that which is eternal and based on what Christ did at the Cross and through His Resurrection.
          Yes, the gentiles would be justified by faith, just like Abraham (and everybody else). Christ was justified in this manner.


          Originally posted by S.T.Ranger View Post
          Christ had to die in order for men to receive the life (eternal) He came to give. We see that His Resurrection is also relevant:
          Yes, Christ is God's covenant sacrifice confirming God's covenant with Abraham etc..... Those covenants are the gospel, and the crucified Christ is the testator to the covenant.

          Christ did have to die for men to receive the life eternal, but that is only half of the story. Christ had to rise again for men to have eternal life.

          We are saved by his life (Rom 5:10), for if he had merely died we would still be dead in our sins (1 Cor 15:12-19).
          Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

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