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  • Acts 15:19-21; 28-29 vs 1 Corinthians 8 - Corrupt Paul

    By what authority does Paul change what the Torah lays out regarding kosher food, food sacrificed to idols, when the Jerusalem Council and James, guided by the spirit of holiness, already declared what believers should follow and do?
    Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself. Leo Tolstoy

  • #2
    Originally posted by Gumby View Post
    By what authority does Paul change what the Torah lays out regarding kosher food, food sacrificed to idols, when the Jerusalem Council and James, guided by the spirit of holiness, already declared what believers should follow and do?
    Paul had revelation and inspiration from the Holy Spirit!!! Satan plants seeds of Beware those that help him!

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    • #3
      Paul is hated most by those living in the sick minded demon inspired abomination of sexual perversion!!! And you??

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      • #4
        Originally posted by GISMYS View Post
        Paul had revelation and inspiration from the Holy Spirit!!! Satan plants seeds of Beware those that help him!
        No, Paul contradicted the spirit of holiness in Acts 15. The spirit leads to observance, Ezekiel 36:26-27, Zechariah 7:12, etc.

        Paul has a different spirit.
        Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself. Leo Tolstoy

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        • #5
          Originally posted by GISMYS View Post
          Paul is hated most by those living in the sick minded demon inspired abomination of sexual perversion!!! And you??
          I'll just ignore you since you dont have the courtesy to use the quote feature.

          You seem to know a lot about sexual perversions.
          Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself. Leo Tolstoy

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gumby View Post
            By what authority does Paul change what the Torah lays out regarding kosher food, food sacrificed to idols, when the Jerusalem Council and James, guided by the spirit of holiness, already declared what believers should follow and do?
            Paul didn't change anything, God did when he replaced the Covenant given at Mt. Horeb, aka the Law of Moses, with his New Covenant ratified by the blood of Jesus. The New Covenant has no restrictions on what a person can eat.

            For instance:
            Acts 10:9-16
            9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. 13 Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."

            14 "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."

            15 The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

            16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven. [Notice that the requirement for 3 witnesses to settle a matter was used.]
            NIV

            It was God, not Paul, who declared all foods clean. Thus, what the Torah says regarding kosher food no longer applies. So if people wish to continue eating only kosher food that's their choice; God doesn't care what they eat.

            The letter the council at Jerusalem wrote was in response to Gentiles being told by some men that they had to be circumcised in order to be saved, which is NOT a requirement.

            What Paul wrote is:
            1 Cor 8:4-8
            4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world and that there is no God but one. 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

            7 But not everyone knows this. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat such food they think of it as having been sacrificed to an idol, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.

            Paul didn't countermand what the council at Jerusalem wrote, he just gave the Gentile Christians the choice of whether or not they should eat such food. It's called knowledge.
            Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

            Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by AlFin View Post

              Paul didn't change anything, God did when he replaced the Covenant given at Mt. Horeb, aka the Law of Moses, with his New Covenant ratified by the blood of Jesus. The New Covenant has no restrictions on what a person can eat.

              For instance:
              Acts 10:9-16
              9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. 13 Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."

              14 "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."

              15 The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

              16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven. [Notice that the requirement for 3 witnesses to settle a matter was used.]
              NIV

              It was God, not Paul, who declared all foods clean. Thus, what the Torah says regarding kosher food no longer applies. So if people wish to continue eating only kosher food that's their choice; God doesn't care what they eat.

              The letter the council at Jerusalem wrote was in response to Gentiles being told by some men that they had to be circumcised in order to be saved, which is NOT a requirement.

              What Paul wrote is:
              1 Cor 8:4-8
              4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world and that there is no God but one. 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

              7 But not everyone knows this. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat such food they think of it as having been sacrificed to an idol, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.

              Paul didn't countermand what the council at Jerusalem wrote, he just gave the Gentile Christians the choice of whether or not they should eat such food. It's called knowledge.
              First, Paul contradicts what the spirit dictated in Acts 15, and in Torah. Can you show where Torah was changed or abrogated in Tanakh? Can you show where God declared all foods clean in Tanakh?

              Paul contradicts Acts 15 with what he says in 1 Cor 8. That's the point.

              The context of Acts 10:15 refers to gentiles, not food.

              Jeremiah 31:31-34 doesn't change the law. Only where it is written. This is the new covenant. No mention of the blood of Jesus for ratification.
              Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself. Leo Tolstoy

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Gumby View Post
                First, Paul contradicts what the spirit dictated in Acts 15, and in Torah. Can you show where Torah was changed or abrogated in Tanakh? Can you show where God declared all foods clean in Tanakh?

                Paul contradicts Acts 15 with what he says in 1 Cor 8. That's the point.

                The context of Acts 10:15 refers to gentiles, not food.

                Jeremiah 31:31-34 doesn't change the law. Only where it is written. This is the new covenant.
                Paul didn't change it....God did. AlFin explained it....I understand you can't understand it. Go re-read Acts 10:9-16

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by CrowCross View Post
                  Paul didn't change it....God did. AlFin explained it....I understand you can't understand it. Go re-read Acts 10:9-16
                  Show me where God changed the laws?

                  What's interesting is that you think Jesus is God, and Jesus says nothing changes from the law until heaven and earth disappear. Was Jesus confused?

                  I understand you can't follow the context of Acts 10:9-16 meaning that gentiles are not unclean. Focus.
                  Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself. Leo Tolstoy

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gumby View Post
                    Show me where God changed the laws?

                    What's interesting is that you think Jesus is God, and Jesus says nothing changes from the law until heaven and earth disappear. Was Jesus confused?

                    I understand you can't follow the context of Acts 10:9-16 meaning that gentiles are not unclean. Focus.
                    Why do you think God declared the food as clean?

                    Matt 5:18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

                    What do you think was accomplished?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by CrowCross View Post
                      Why do you think God declared the food as clean?
                      Kosher food is already clean. The gentiles were declared clean for the purposes of the gospel.

                      Originally posted by CrowCross View Post
                      Matt 5:18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

                      What do you think was accomplished?
                      Not everything because heaven and earth are still here. So, the law still applies. And that's what the Jerusalem Council is teaching. Starting with the basics.

                      Please show me where God changed the laws?
                      Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself. Leo Tolstoy

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Gumby View Post
                        Kosher food is already clean. The gentiles were declared clean for the purposes of the gospel.


                        Not everything because heaven and earth are still here. So, the law still applies. And that's what the Jerusalem Council is teaching. Starting with the basics.

                        Please show me where God changed the laws?
                        You will find that those that follow Paul will say if Paul wrote it it is GODS WORD, even if there is no support for it anywhere else in Scripture or that it actually Disagrees with other Scripture.

                        I seldom find reasons to post to you, But, you are correct that Act 10 is talking about Gentiles not foods, and that Paul taught other then then the Apostles commanded him to teach Acts 15.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Forgiven Child View Post

                          You will find that those that follow Paul will say if Paul wrote it it is GODS WORD, even if there is no support for it anywhere else in Scripture or that it actually Disagrees with other Scripture.

                          I seldom find reasons to post to you, But, you are correct that Act 10 is talking about Gentiles not foods, and that Paul taught other then then the Apostles commanded him to teach Acts 15.
                          Well, at least we agree here.
                          Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself. Leo Tolstoy

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                          • #14
                            Paul recorded the living eternal Words of God!! Do not blaspheme against the Holy Spirit the cost is far more than you will want to pay!!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Gumby View Post
                              Well, at least we agree here.
                              Excellent.


                              You do not even time to edit a post before you respond.

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