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Matthew 10:20

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  • Matthew 10:20

    The following verse came to my remembrance:

    οὐ γὰρ ὑμεῖς ἐστε οἱ λαλοῦντες ἀλλὰ τὸ Πνεῦμα τοῦ Πατρὸς ὑμῶν τὸ λαλοῦν ἐν ὑμῖν.
    Here is my reading of this chapter.

    Question: Is red above “the person of the Holy Spirit,” “the third person of the Holy Trinity” ?

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    Yes. Itís talking about the disciples receiving inspiration from God (through his spirit – i.e. τὸ ἅγιον πνεῦμα) with regard to what to say to those who would accuse them.
    I have permission to post on the Biblical Languages forum, as per email correspondence with Diane S.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Jameson View Post
      Yes. Itís talking about the disciples receiving inspiration from God (through his spirit Ė i.e. τὸ ἅγιον πνεῦμα) with regard to what to say to those who would accuse them.
      So you think this verse is saying that an unnamed third “person” ( unless you think “the Holy Spirit” is a name ) will be speaking “through” the followers of Jesus. I find that hard to believe.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by John Milton View Post

        So you think this verse is saying that an unnamed third “person” ( unless you think “the Holy Spirit” is a name ) will be speaking “through” the followers of Jesus. I find that hard to believe.
        I never find it persuasive when an ignoramus claims not to understand or believe something.
        I have permission to post on the Biblical Languages forum, as per email correspondence with Diane S.

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        • #5
          FWIW, I often feel that a force ( never a “person”) is speaking through me and energizing me when I’m reading the GNT and the LXX — the power of God.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by John Milton View Post
            FWIW, I often feel that a force ( never a “person”) is speaking through me and energizing me when I’m reading the GNT and the LXX — the power of God.
            Oh, yes. I can imagine how your ego feels stroked to put your voice to recording. I bet you get shivers down your spine when you replay it. I donít doubt this one bit.
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            • #7
              Which brings to mind another point— : every significant ďpersonĒ in the bible has a name ( or is named), even( especially?) God , albeit an unpronounceable one.

              If ďthe Holy SpiritĒ is indeed a ďperson,Ē it would have the dubious distinction of being the only significant individual/person in the bible who is unnamed.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by John Milton View Post
                Which brings to mind another point— every significant “person” in the bible has a name ( or is named), even( especially?) God , albeit an unpronounceable one.

                If “the Holy Spirit” is indeed a “person,” it would have the dubious distinction of being the only significant individual/person in the bible who is unnamed.
                What is Godís name in the New Testament? I know that יהוה (not Jehovah) is his name in the Hebrew Bible. God is not named in the New Testament, though. He is simply called θεός or ὁ κύριος, just as any other god could be called.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jameson View Post

                  What is God’s name in the New Testament? I know that יהוה (not Jehovah) is his name in the Hebrew Bible. God is not named in the New Testament, though. He is simply called θεός or ὁ κύριος, just as any other god could be called.
                  He is named in the OT ( as you said above in red), which is a part ( first part) of the document I refer to as the ď bible.Ē

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by John Milton View Post

                    He is named in the OT ( as you said above in red), which is a part ( first part) of the document I refer to as the “ bible.”
                    What is Godís name in the NT?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jameson View Post

                      What is Godís name in the NT?
                      I figure it’s the same as it is in the “OT” since the Jesus of the NT claimed to worship the (same) God of the OT.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by John Milton View Post

                        I figure it’s the same as it is on the “OT” since the Jesus of the NT claimed to worship the God of the OT.
                        You figure! If the NT authors had written Godís name in Greek, that would have definitively settled my disagreement with Steven. They didnít, though.
                        I have permission to post on the Biblical Languages forum, as per email correspondence with Diane S.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jameson View Post

                          What is God’s name in the NT?
                          Jesus.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Barry Hofstetter View Post
                            Jesus.
                            Itís interesting that God has no personal name in Philo, Josephus or the New Testament. This is probably because of the custom of not pronouncing the Name, which had been in place since well before the first Century ᴄᴇ.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jameson View Post

                              It’s interesting that God has no personal name in Philo, Josephus or the New Testament. This is probably because of the custom of not pronouncing the Name, which had been in place since well before the first Century ᴄᴇ.
                              Red above is a false assumption.

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