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  • #16
    There should be more grammarian stumblers here, and a paper that is superior to that of Daniel Wallace.

    “Prooftexting the Personality of the Holy Spirit: An Analysis of the Masculine Demonstrative Pronouns in John 14:26, 15:26, and 16:13–14.” Detroit Baptist Seminary Journal 16 (2011): 65–89.
    http://andynaselli.com/prooftexting-...he-holy-spirit
    http://andynaselli.com/wp-content/up...ooftexting.pdf

    And I have not checked the doctrinal positions of those who get this wrong.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Steven Avery View Post
      There should be more grammarian stumblers here, and a paper that is superior to that of Daniel Wallace.

      “Prooftexting the Personality of the Holy Spirit: An Analysis of the Masculine Demonstrative Pronouns in John 14:26, 15:26, and 16:13–14.” Detroit Baptist Seminary Journal 16 (2011): 65–89.
      http://andynaselli.com/prooftexting-...he-holy-spirit
      http://andynaselli.com/wp-content/up...ooftexting.pdf

      And I have not checked the doctrinal positions of those who get this wrong.
      "An impressive number of Greek grammarians....." Not just a "few," but an "impressive number" of them.. Is there any doubt that he is referring mainly to Trinitarian grammarians (see bold below), or else to those grammarians who believe in the idea that the holy spirit is a "person" ?

      An impressive number of Greek grammarians, exegetes, commentators, and theologians have made this argument from at least the 1500s to the present.3 They span all the main branches and denominations of the church (e.g., Reformed, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Baptist, Pentecostal, Roman Catholic), many languages (e.g., English, French, German, Dutch), and several continents (e.g., North America, Europe, Australia).

      Here is a chronological sampling of about 110 notable adherents—some more nuanced than others:4 ca. 1591—Martin Chemnitz (1522–86): John 15:26, when Christ speaks of the Holy Spirit in the neuter gender, “The Spirit (to pneuma) of truth which proceeds from the Father,” He then changes the gender and adds “He (ekeinos) will bear witness of Me,” signifying that He is not speaking of some created emotion which occurs in the believers, but of a person. For it is frequent and common in the sacred writings that when there is mention of persons, a term may vary in respect to the related and antecedent words by the change of the genders, for example, in Matt. 28:19, “Teach all nations (ta ethnē—neuter), baptizing them (autous—masc.)......etc...

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Steven Avery View Post
        There should be more grammarian stumblers here, and a paper that is superior to that of Daniel Wallace.

        “Prooftexting the Personality of the Holy Spirit: An Analysis of the Masculine Demonstrative Pronouns in John 14:26, 15:26, and 16:13–14.” Detroit Baptist Seminary Journal 16 (2011): 65–89.
        http://andynaselli.com/prooftexting-...he-holy-spirit
        http://andynaselli.com/wp-content/up...ooftexting.pdf

        And I have not checked the doctrinal positions of those who get this wrong.
        Remind all of us again....WHERE did you study Greek grammar?

        (The only HONEST answer - for those who don't know - is, "I've never studied Greek grammar ever at all anywhere."


        Which means comments like this:

        Originally posted by Steven Avery View Post
        There should be more grammarian stumblers here, and a paper that is superior to that of Daniel Wallace.
        are being made by someone who not only doesn't know but has no means to know.


        You're welcome.
        One factor precluding a young age for Sinaiticus is the marginalia in Acts... This supplemental material...precludes the MS' production by Simonides. He just lied...It's something he was known for. I recommend that you accept that fact and move on.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Steven Avery View Post
          If you went to a graduate math department, with advanced classes on the Probabilistic Method, and the teachers were making errors in converting fractions to decimal in their published works, you might wonder if they were in over their head.
          You're ignoring the key point: how could someone who doesn't know math even comment upon such?

          There's only one HONEST answer to that question, the rest are all deceit and lies.


          One factor precluding a young age for Sinaiticus is the marginalia in Acts... This supplemental material...precludes the MS' production by Simonides. He just lied...It's something he was known for. I recommend that you accept that fact and move on.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Maestroh View Post

            Remind all of us again....WHERE did you study Greek grammar?

            (The only HONEST answer - for those who don't know - is, "I've never studied Greek grammar ever at all anywhere."


            Which means comments like this:



            are being made by someone who not only doesn't know but has no means to know.


            You're welcome.
            He studied Greek online, as he has gotten most of his scholarship, good or bad sir.

            Sue him iffen you don't likkit. And lick your wounds since many graduate from the School of Hard Knocks.

            At least we know the best knock-knock jokes. AND how scholars rebut each odder until their udders come home to the barn, not being from a single school, initially.
            Shema will change the Christian World.

            Turn it upside down. To where it once was, the POV of JESUS, his DISCIPLES and his SERVANTS.

            Know God YHWH Elohim is One. And love Him with all. Mk 12, red letter words.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Maestroh View Post

              You're ignoring the key point: how could someone who doesn't know math even comment upon such?

              There's only one HONEST answer to that question, the rest are all deceit and lies.

              You've been harassen Steven since I arrived here. I think he presses your buttons in the main. Who KNOWS how long this been go'en on.
              Shema will change the Christian World.

              Turn it upside down. To where it once was, the POV of JESUS, his DISCIPLES and his SERVANTS.

              Know God YHWH Elohim is One. And love Him with all. Mk 12, red letter words.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Barry Hofstetter View Post

                I don't know. The list seems kind of long. I don't have that many commentaries, and the ones I do don't always address such questions. I'll have to dig out Keener and a few others and see what they say. Personally I know that I have never read it as an ad sensum, although I think one could argue that that calling the Spirit a παράκλητος, which is practically a technical term for advocate, sufficiently shows the personality of the Spirit.
                Sure Spirit has personality, of the one(s) harboring. Since it is a medium of communication and the Communicator(s) are indwelling. Both us and the Spirit.

                In the case of the Paracletos, the Communicator in my opinion is Jesus, who testifies in our hearts, "Abba, Father."

                The clue for you Barry Bitewater, I mean Glibb, is the concept, that IT does not speak from ITself, but another one.
                Shema will change the Christian World.

                Turn it upside down. To where it once was, the POV of JESUS, his DISCIPLES and his SERVANTS.

                Know God YHWH Elohim is One. And love Him with all. Mk 12, red letter words.

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