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  • Originally posted by John Milton
    He says that he cant be 100% sure if it is b or v. So its only you and Jameson who think it is crystal clear that the Yemeni is uttering v.
    They also say that their eyes and ears say "v" not "b". That is good enough to include them as part of the '3'.

    You also have failed to link (or at least tell us the forum name) to where this discussion takes place. How are we not to know there's more people that agree that it's a /v/ and not /b/?

    Originally posted by John Milton
    You are not able to read Psalm 113 and 114 in ANY pronunciation.
    You have no evidence of this, so remain quiescent.

    We do however have evidence that you can't read Psalm 113 or 114 in Yemenite Hebrew. Wanna have a crack at modern Hebrew so we can add that to the evidence pile?

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    • Originally posted by S Walch View Post
      They also say that their eyes and ears say "v" not "b". That is good enough to include them as part of the '3'.

      You also have failed to link (or at least tell us the forum name) to where this discussion takes place. How are we not to know there's more people that agree that it's a /v/ and not /b/?


      You have no evidence of this, so remain quiescent.

      We do however have evidence that you can't read Psalm 113 or 114 in Yemenite Hebrew. Wanna have a crack at modern Hebrew so we can add that to the evidence pile?
      I have never heard you read a sentence in Hebrew. So that says all.

      Also, you are deceived if you insist I cannot read Psalm 113 or 114 in Yemeni Hebrew. I have read these psalms out for all to hear.

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      • Originally posted by John Milton View Post
        I have never heard you read a sentence in Hebrew.
        This is true.

        Originally posted by John Milton
        So that says all.
        This is not.

        All you can say is that you haven't heard me read a sentence out in any Hebrew pronunciation. This however does not mean that I can't, and you are not in a position to say so dogmatically.

        Originally posted by John Milton
        Also, you are deceived if you insist I cannot read Psalm 113 or 114 in Yemeni Hebrew. I have read these psalms out for all to hear.
        The evidence of Yemenite pronunciation is that they differentiate between /v/ and /b/. You only do this in one recording, and for one word only.

        Therefore you cannot read Psalm 113 or 114 out in Yemenite Hebrew. You have done this for all to hear.

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        • Someone has deceived you into thinking that just because a person does not utter the letter bet without dagesh as “v” that they cannot possibly be reading Yemeni Hebrew.

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          • Originally posted by John Milton View Post
            Someone has deceived you into thinking that just because a person does not utter the letter bet without dagesh as “v” that they cannot possibly be reading Yemeni Hebrew.
            No one has done any such thing. You think this is what will prove that you use a Yemenite pronunciation? No. That's not it.
            I have permission to post on the Biblical Languages forum, as per email correspondence with Diane S.

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            • Don’t know what you are going about now, really. And dont really care.

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              • Originally posted by John Milton View Post
                Don’t know what you are going about now, really. And don’t really care.
                Your whole point is that you read better than everyone else. Isn't that your point?
                I have permission to post on the Biblical Languages forum, as per email correspondence with Diane S.

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                • Originally posted by Jameson View Post

                  Your whole point is that you read better than everyone else. Isn't that your point?
                  Well if you can read Psalm 114 better than I in the Yemeni pronunciation as here, then ofcourse no....

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                  • Originally posted by John Milton
                    Someone has deceived you into thinking that just because a person does not utter the letter bet without dagesh as v that they cannot possibly be reading Yemeni Hebrew.
                    The one who was deceived in this case was you, JM. No one else believed unsubstantiated claims that Yemenites pronounced hard /b/'s no matter what. You took an un-sourced comment on a WIKIPEDIA article, and ran away with it.

                    The evidence from three actual speakers of Yemenite Hebrew demonstrates that such an understanding is false, and not based on any substantiated evidence.

                    Therefore it is right to conclude that you don't mimic anything in Yemenite Hebrew.

                    Furthermore, Jameson can read, type, and fluently speak Hebrew. He doesn't have to do any Yemenite pronunciation mimicking to prove anything. He de facto reads out anything better than you can.

                    Not to mention he'll understand what he's uttering. Something you're not capable of doing.

                    I'll be also willing to bet there's more people that have agreed that they hear /b/ and not /v/ in that Psalm 113 & 114 reading. You're just not willing to show us, and admit that the fault was yours all along

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                    • I understand most of what I am able to read in Biblical Hebrew. Its one of those languages, even more so than Greek, which is virtually impossible to read if one is not understanding what they’re reading. Granted, I am not able to speak Israeli, that Yiddish admixture, not even read it , but thats a different issue and animal altogether.

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                      • Originally posted by John Milton View Post
                        I understand most of what I am able to read in Biblical Hebrew. It’s one of those languages, even more so than Greek, which is virtually impossible to read if one is not understanding what they’re reading. Granted, I am not able to speak Israeli, that Yiddish admixture, not even read it , but that’s a different issue and animal altogether.
                        "Magic magic magic. Hebrew is magic! Mystical blah blah." That's what I am reading here. Calling Israeli Hebrew a "Yiddish admixture" and trying to act like the millions of Israelis who speak Hebrew from birth don't got nuthin' up on the anonymous "John Milton" who gets his ejumacation from the holy ghost. Gibberish!
                        I have permission to post on the Biblical Languages forum, as per email correspondence with Diane S.

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                        • We're clearly dealing with a racist, Jameson. Referring to Israeli Hebrew as a different "animal" is not acceptable language to use.

                          Didn't think he could sink lower than the depths he's gotten to. How wrong I was.

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                          • Originally posted by S Walch View Post
                            We're clearly dealing with a racist, Jameson. Referring to Israeli Hebrew as a different "animal" is not acceptable language to use.

                            Didn't think he could sink lower than the depths he's gotten to. How wrong I was.
                            Yeah, he is certainly anti-Semitic.
                            I have permission to post on the Biblical Languages forum, as per email correspondence with Diane S.

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                            • Originally posted by Jameson View Post
                              Your whole point is that you read better than everyone else. Isn't that your point?
                              Every language, every dialect, better than everyone, everyday, every way!

                              (However, "different animal" is a wide-ranging colloquialism, conclusions should not be overdone.)

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                              • Originally posted by Steven Avery View Post
                                Every language, every dialect, better than everyone, everyday, every way!

                                (However, "different animal" is a wide-ranging colloquialism, conclusions should not be overdone.)
                                I wasn't specifically referring to that, but to the point that he thinks Jews don't know the Jewish language. He wishes to nullify the experience of 8 million Israelis and so many more Jews in America and around the world who speak Hebrew. What does the experience of Jews and Israelis matter to someone who thinks that he knows better than everyone?
                                I have permission to post on the Biblical Languages forum, as per email correspondence with Diane S.

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