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Bill Mounce - "In Greek, pronouns follow natural gender..."

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  • Originally posted by John Milton View Post

    I can cite Smyth to contradict Jameson and Barry on this score, by the way.
    Go right ahead.

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    • Originally posted by Barry Hofstetter View Post
      Go right ahead.
      Not really necessary.

      Robertson alone, (supported by 6+ other references in this thread) shows that Jameson and you are wrong in coming against this simple statement:

      "inanimate objects are neuter natural gender"

      Why not simply acknowledge that this is a logical and sensible construction?

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      You could follow that up by acknowledging that the Mounce quote is a logical-grammatical disaster.
      Why not help correct the error?

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      • Originally posted by Steven Avery View Post
        Not really necessary.

        Robertson alone, (supported by 6+ other references in this thread) shows that Jameson and you are wrong in coming against this simple statement:

        "inanimate objects are neuter natural gender"

        Why not simply acknowledge that this is a logical and sensible construction?

        ==================================

        You could follow that up by acknowledging that the Mounce quote is a logical-grammatical disaster.
        Why not help correct the error?
        Lol, .. Good one. Logic, does not seem to be their strong suit.

        When I have the time I will cite Smyth on this score as well, again. Just for overkill.

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        • Originally posted by Steven Avery View Post
          Total nonsense.
          And I have shared this on other forums without the silly fuzz and buzz that comes forth here.

          Waiting to hear from Bill Mounce.

          Steven
          Which ones? It will be fun to watch them agree with me and my "silly fuzz and buzz."

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          • Originally posted by Steven Avery View Post
            Not really necessary.

            Robertson alone, (supported by 6+ other references in this thread) shows that Jameson and you are wrong in coming against this simple statement:

            "inanimate objects are neuter natural gender"

            Why not simply acknowledge that this is a logical and sensible construction?

            ==================================

            You could follow that up by acknowledging that the Mounce quote is a logical-grammatical disaster.
            Why not help correct the error?
            No, not at all. For one thing, this does not appear in my edition of Robertson. Wherever he says it, it's an unfortunate expression, and shows why 19th century grammars should be seriously revised.

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            • Originally posted by Barry Hofstetter View Post
              No, not at all. For one thing, this does not appear in my edition of Robertson..
              Maybe you are not following the discusions.

              Originally posted by Steven Avery View Post
              Now, Jameson and Barry tell us that inanimate and impersonal nouns do not have neuter (or neutral) natural gender.

              A grammar of the Greek New Testament in the light of historical research (1919)
              Archibald Thomas Robertson (1863-1934)
              https://books.google.com/books?id=sRojAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA410

              (a) Fluctuations in Gender.
              The whole matter is difficult, for substantives have two sorts of gender, natural and grammatical. The two do not always agree.

              Was Robertson then only talking of personal nouns?
              Originally posted by Barry Hofstetter View Post
              Wherever he says it, it's an unfortunate expression.
              Why?

              And how do you characterize the Bill Mounce assertion that pronouns follow natural gender?

              ,
              Originally posted by Barry Hofstetter View Post
              and shows why 19th century grammars should be seriously revised.
              Wrong century.

              And who should revise the grammars? Bill Mounce? Daniel Wallace?

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