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  • What effects did 70 AD and 135 AD have on the Church and Jewish People?

    What effects did 70 AD and 135 AD( Bar Kokhba revolt ) have on the Church and Jewish People?
    Deuteronomy 6:4. Hear, O Israel: The LORD [Jehovah] your God [Elohim] is one LORD [Jehovah].

  • #2
    Originally posted by Daniel Marsh View Post
    What effects did 70 AD and 135 AD( Bar Kokhba revolt ) have on the Church and Jewish People?
    The Bar Kokhba revolt is irrelevant because, in 70 AD, with the destruction of Jerusalem and all of the Jews' records, the Jewish religion simply ceased to exist. It hasn't been possible to be a scriptural Jew for approx. 1,947 years because a SCRIPTURAL Jew is a Jew by lineage. What we see today and for the past almost 2,000 years are essentially fake Jews or, more precisely, Israelis pretending to be Jewish. One could say that Jewry actually ended on the day of Pentecost (when the Holy Spirit fell at the very beginning of Christ's church), which is the position I tend more to agree with seeing as Christians are the New Israel. However you want to slice it, scriptural Jews haven't been around for almost 2,000 years.
    Born into RCC and baptized into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, as commanded in Matthew's gospel. Received the power, seal, and gift of the Holy Spirit in 2011.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by EOCTruth View Post

      ...seeing as Christians are the New Israel.
      Hello, Christians are not the "New Israel".

      There is no "New Israel".

      Rather, Christians are grafted INTO the old Israel which continues to exist (and which will be regathered back to the land of Israel at some future time, Dt. 30:1-8).

      Christians are Israelites (Jer. 31), or else we could not participate in the New Covenant which is ONLY between God and Israel.

      We Christians do not REPLACE Israel...rather, we are INPLACED (ingrafted, if you will) into the Israel which has existed ever since Jacob.

      Sadly, most of us Christians do not even know that we are ISRAELITES.

      Nor do we understand the family instructions given to us.

      Feel free to share your point of view...I'd be glad to chat.

      blessings.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by bibleguy119 View Post

        Hello, Christians are not the "New Israel".

        There is no "New Israel".

        Rather, Christians are grafted INTO the old Israel which continues to exist (and which will be regathered back to the land of Israel at some future time, Dt. 30:1-8).

        Christians are Israelites (Jer. 31), or else we could not participate in the New Covenant which is ONLY between God and Israel.

        We Christians do not REPLACE Israel...rather, we are INPLACED (ingrafted, if you will) into the Israel which has existed ever since Jacob.

        Sadly, most of us Christians do not even know that we are ISRAELITES.

        Nor do we understand the family instructions given to us.

        Feel free to share your point of view...I'd be glad to chat.

        blessings.
        Good points. I need to look into this further.
        Born into RCC and baptized into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, as commanded in Matthew's gospel. Received the power, seal, and gift of the Holy Spirit in 2011.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by bibleguy119 View Post

          Hello, Christians are not the "New Israel".

          There is no "New Israel".

          Rather, Christians are grafted INTO the old Israel which continues to exist (and which will be regathered back to the land of Israel at some future time, Dt. 30:1-8).

          Christians are Israelites (Jer. 31), or else we could not participate in the New Covenant which is ONLY between God and Israel.

          We Christians do not REPLACE Israel...rather, we are INPLACED (ingrafted, if you will) into the Israel which has existed ever since Jacob.

          Sadly, most of us Christians do not even know that we are ISRAELITES.

          Nor do we understand the family instructions given to us.

          Feel free to share your point of view...I'd be glad to chat.

          blessings.
          How can anyone be ISRAEL if they reconfigured the God of Israel sir? Trins, bins and mods I mean modalists. ISRAEL affirms the First Command of the UNIVERSE sir, the Shema.
          Shema will change the Christian World.

          Turn it upside down. To where it once was, the POV of JESUS, his DISCIPLES and his SERVANTS.

          Know God YHWH Elohim is One. And love Him with all. Mk 12, red letter words.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by EOCTruth View Post

            The Bar Kokhba revolt is irrelevant because, in 70 AD, with the destruction of Jerusalem and all of the Jews' records, the Jewish religion simply ceased to exist. It hasn't been possible to be a scriptural Jew for approx. 1,947 years because a SCRIPTURAL Jew is a Jew by lineage. What we see today and for the past almost 2,000 years are essentially fake Jews or, more precisely, Israelis pretending to be Jewish. One could say that Jewry actually ended on the day of Pentecost (when the Holy Spirit fell at the very beginning of Christ's church), which is the position I tend more to agree with seeing as Christians are the New Israel. However you want to slice it, scriptural Jews haven't been around for almost 2,000 years.
            You are wrong on this topic. We become part of the commonwealth of Israel. Eph 2:12.
            Last edited by balshan; 08-26-18, 06:01 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by balshan View Post

              You are wrong on this topic. We become part of the commonwealth of Israel. Eph 2:12.
              i have forgotten all the research I have done on this theme. But what I came away with God made promises re the land and his people. Those promises will not be broken and have not been transfered. The Jewish people are the apple of His eye.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by EOCTruth View Post

                The Bar Kokhba revolt is irrelevant because, in 70 AD, with the destruction of Jerusalem and all of the Jews' records, the Jewish religion simply ceased to exist. It hasn't been possible to be a scriptural Jew for approx. 1,947 years because a SCRIPTURAL Jew is a Jew by lineage. What we see today and for the past almost 2,000 years are essentially fake Jews or, more precisely, Israelis pretending to be Jewish. One could say that Jewry actually ended on the day of Pentecost (when the Holy Spirit fell at the very beginning of Christ's church), which is the position I tend more to agree with seeing as Christians are the New Israel. However you want to slice it, scriptural Jews haven't been around for almost 2,000 years.
                Whom did Peter reach out to in the first half of the Book of Acts then?
                Deuteronomy 6:4. Hear, O Israel: The LORD [Jehovah] your God [Elohim] is one LORD [Jehovah].

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                • #9
                  THE BELOVED OF GOD
                  A) Israel Is Beloved Of God:
                  - Ex. 15:13, Deut. 33:3, Ezra 3:11
                  B) Disobedient Israel Is Not Beloved Of God:
                  - Lev. 3:16, Jer. 12:8, Jer. 16:5, Hos. 9:15
                  C) Christians Are Beloved Of God:
                  - Rom. 9:25, Eph. 5:1, Col. 3:12, 1 John 3:1

                  THE CHILDREN OF GOD
                  A) Israel Are The Children Of God:
                  - Ex. 4:22, Deut. 14:1, Isa. 1:2,4, Isa. 1:2,4, Isa. 63:8, Hos. 11:1
                  B) Disobedient Israel Are Not The Children Of God:
                  - Deut. 32:5, John 8:39, 42, 44
                  C) Christians Are The Children Of God:
                  - John 1:12, John 11:52, Rom. 8:14,16, 2 Cor. 6:18, Gal. 3:26, Gal. 4:5,6,7, Phil. 2:15, 1 John 3:1

                  THE FIELD OF GOD
                  A) Israel Is The Field Of God:
                  - Jer. 12:10
                  B) Christians Are The Field Of God:
                  - 1 Cor. 3:9

                  THE FLOCK OF GOD AND OF THE MESSIAH
                  A) Israel Is The Flock Of God And Of The Messiah:
                  - Psa. 78:52, Psa. 80:1, Isa. 40:11, Jer. 23:1,2,3, Jer. 31:10, Eze. 34:12,15,16, Mic. 5:4, Zec. 10:3
                  B) Christians Are The Flock Of God And Of The Messiah:
                  - John 10:14,16, Heb. 13:20, 1 Pet. 2:25, 1 Pet. 5:2,3

                  THE HOUSE OF GOD
                  A) Israel Is The House Of God:
                  - Num. 12:7
                  B) Christians Are The House Of God:
                  - 1 Tim. 3:15, Heb. 3:2,5,6, Heb. 10:21, 1 Pet. 4:17

                  THE KINGDOM OF GOD
                  A) Israel Is The Kingdom Of God:
                  - Ex. 19:6, 1 Chr. 17:14, 1 Chr. 28:5
                  B) Disobedient Israel Is Not The Kingdom Of God:
                  - Matt. 8:11,12, Matt. 21:43
                  C) Christians Are The Kingdom Of God:
                  - Rom. 14:17, 1 Cor. 4:20, Col. 1:13, Col. 4:11, Rev. 1:6

                  THE PEOPLE OF GOD
                  A) The Israelites Are The People Of God:
                  - Ex. 6:7, Deut. 27:9, 2 Sam. 7:23, Jer. 11:4
                  B) Disobedient Israelites Are Not The People Of God:
                  - Hos. 1:9, Jer. 5:10
                  C) The Christians Are The People Of God:
                  - Rom. 9:25, 2 Cor. 6:16, Eph. 4:12, Eph. 5:3, 2 Th. 1:10, Tit. 2:14

                  THE PRIESTS OF GOD
                  A) The Israelites Are The Priests Of God:
                  - Ex. 19:6
                  B) Disobedient Israelites Are Not The Priests Of God:
                  - 1 Sam. 2:28,30, Lam. 4:13,16, Eze. 44:10,13, Hos. 4:6, Mal. 2:2,4,8,9
                  C) The Christians Are The Priests Of God:
                  - 1 Pet. 2:5,9, Rev. 1:6, Rev. 5:10

                  THE VINEYARD OF GOD
                  A) Israel Is The Vineyard Of God:
                  - Isa. 5:3,4,5,7, Jer. 12:10
                  B) Christians Are The Vineyard Of God:
                  - Luke 20:16

                  THE WIFE (OR BRIDE) OF GOD
                  A) Israel Is The Wife (Or Bride) Of God:
                  - Isa. 54:5,6, Jer. 2:2, Eze. 16:32, Hos. 1:2
                  B) Disobedient Israelites Is Not The Wife (Or Bride) Of God:
                  - Jer. 3:8, Hos. 2:2
                  C) The Christians Are The Wife (Or Bride) Of God:
                  - 2 Cor. 11:2, Eph. 5:31,32

                  THE CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM
                  A) The Israelites Are The Children Of Abraham:
                  - 2 Chr. 20:7, Psa. 105:6, Isa. 41:8
                  B) Disobedient Israelites Are Not The Children Of Abraham:
                  - John 8:39, Rom. 9:6,7, Gal. 4:25,30
                  C) The Christians Are The Children Of Abraham:
                  - Rom. 4:11,16, Gal. 3:7,29, Gal. 4:23,28,31

                  THE CHOSEN PEOPLE
                  A) The Israelites Are The Chosen People:
                  - Deut. 7:7, Deut. 10:15, Deut. 14:2, Isa. 43:20,21
                  B) Disobedient Israelites Are Not The Chosen People:
                  - Deut. 31:17, 2 Ki. 17:20, 2 Chr. 25:7, Psa. 78:59, Jer. 6:30, Jer. 7:29, Jer. 14:10
                  C) The Christians Are The Chosen People:
                  - Col. 3:12, 1 Pet. 2:9

                  THE CIRCUMCISED
                  A) The Israelites Are The Circumcised:
                  - Gen. 17:10, Jud. 15:18
                  B) Disobedient Israelites Are Not The Circumcised:
                  - Jer. 9:25,26, Rom. 2:25,28, Phil. 3:2
                  C) The Christians Are The Circumcised:
                  - Rom. 2:29, Phil. 3:3, Col. 2:11

                  ISRAEL
                  A) Israel is Israel
                  B) Disobedient Israelites Are Not Israelites:
                  - Num. 15:30,31, Deut. 18:19, Acts 3:23, Rom. 9:6
                  C) The Christians Are Israel:
                  - John 11:50,51,52, 1 Cor. 10:1, Gal. 6:15,16, Eph. 2:12,19

                  JERUSALEM
                  A) Jerusalem Is the City And Mother Of Israel:
                  - Psa. 149:2, Isa. 12:6, Isa. 49:18,20,22, Isa. 51:18, Lam. 4:2
                  B) Jerusalem Is The City And Mother Of Christians:
                  - Gal. 4:26, Heb. 12:22

                  THE JEWS
                  A) Israelites Are Jews
                  - Ezr. 5:1, Jer. 34:8,9, Zech. 8:22,23
                  B) Disobedient Israelites Are Not Jews:
                  - Rom. 2:28, Rev. 2:9, Rev. 3:9
                  C) The Christians Are Jews:
                  - Rom. 2:29

                  THE NEW COVENANT
                  A) The New Covenant Is With Israel:
                  - Jer. 31:31,33
                  B) The New Covenant Is With The Christians:
                  - Luke 22:20, 1 Cor. 11:25, 2 Cor. 3:6, Heb. 8:6,8,10

                  AN OLIVE TREE
                  A) Israel Is An Olive Tree:
                  - Jer. 11:16, Hos. 14:6
                  B) The Christians Are An Olive Tree:
                  - Rom. 11:24



                  OLD TESTAMENT VERSES REFERRING TO ISRAEL WHICH ARE QUOTED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT AS REFERRING TO THE CHRISTIANS

                  QUOTE #1
                  - Lev. 26:11,12, Eze. 37:27, 2 Cor. 6:16

                  QUOTE #2
                  - Deut. 30:12-14, Rom. 10:6-8

                  QUOTE #3
                  - Deut. 31:6, Heb. 13:5

                  QUOTE #4
                  - Deut. 32:36, Psa. 135:14, Heb. 10:30

                  QUOTE #5
                  - Psa. 22:22, Heb. 2:12

                  QUOTE #6
                  - Psa. 44:22, Rom. 8:36

                  QUOTE #7
                  - Psa. 95:7-11, Heb. 3:7-11

                  QUOTE #8
                  - Psa. 130:8, Tit. 2:14

                  QUOTE #9
                  - Isa. 28:16, Rom. 10:11, Eph. 2:20, 1 Pet. 2:6

                  QUOTE #10
                  - Isa. 49:8, 2 Cor. 6:2

                  QUOTE #11
                  - Isa. 52:7, Rom. 10:15

                  QUOTE #12
                  - Isa. 54:1, Gal. 4:27

                  QUOTE #13
                  - Jer. 31:31-34, Heb. 8:8-12

                  QUOTE #14
                  - Hos. 1:10; 2:23, Rom. 9:25-26, 1 Pet. 2:10

                  QUOTE #15
                  - Hos. 13:14, 1 Cor. 15:55

                  QUOTE #16
                  - Joel. 2:32, Rom. 10:13

                  You can order The Church Is Israel Now by Charles D. Provan from Ross House Books
                  Deuteronomy 6:4. Hear, O Israel: The LORD [Jehovah] your God [Elohim] is one LORD [Jehovah].

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Daniel Marsh View Post
                    THE BELOVED OF GOD
                    A) Israel Is Beloved Of God:
                    - Ex. 15:13, Deut. 33:3, Ezra 3:11
                    B) Disobedient Israel Is Not Beloved Of God:
                    - Lev. 3:16, Jer. 12:8, Jer. 16:5, Hos. 9:15
                    C) Christians Are Beloved Of God:
                    - Rom. 9:25, Eph. 5:1, Col. 3:12, 1 John 3:1

                    THE CHILDREN OF GOD
                    A) Israel Are The Children Of God:
                    - Ex. 4:22, Deut. 14:1, Isa. 1:2,4, Isa. 1:2,4, Isa. 63:8, Hos. 11:1
                    B) Disobedient Israel Are Not The Children Of God:
                    - Deut. 32:5, John 8:39, 42, 44
                    C) Christians Are The Children Of God:
                    - John 1:12, John 11:52, Rom. 8:14,16, 2 Cor. 6:18, Gal. 3:26, Gal. 4:5,6,7, Phil. 2:15, 1 John 3:1

                    THE FIELD OF GOD
                    A) Israel Is The Field Of God:
                    - Jer. 12:10
                    B) Christians Are The Field Of God:
                    - 1 Cor. 3:9

                    THE FLOCK OF GOD AND OF THE MESSIAH
                    A) Israel Is The Flock Of God And Of The Messiah:
                    - Psa. 78:52, Psa. 80:1, Isa. 40:11, Jer. 23:1,2,3, Jer. 31:10, Eze. 34:12,15,16, Mic. 5:4, Zec. 10:3
                    B) Christians Are The Flock Of God And Of The Messiah:
                    - John 10:14,16, Heb. 13:20, 1 Pet. 2:25, 1 Pet. 5:2,3

                    THE HOUSE OF GOD
                    A) Israel Is The House Of God:
                    - Num. 12:7
                    B) Christians Are The House Of God:
                    - 1 Tim. 3:15, Heb. 3:2,5,6, Heb. 10:21, 1 Pet. 4:17

                    THE KINGDOM OF GOD
                    A) Israel Is The Kingdom Of God:
                    - Ex. 19:6, 1 Chr. 17:14, 1 Chr. 28:5
                    B) Disobedient Israel Is Not The Kingdom Of God:
                    - Matt. 8:11,12, Matt. 21:43
                    C) Christians Are The Kingdom Of God:
                    - Rom. 14:17, 1 Cor. 4:20, Col. 1:13, Col. 4:11, Rev. 1:6

                    THE PEOPLE OF GOD
                    A) The Israelites Are The People Of God:
                    - Ex. 6:7, Deut. 27:9, 2 Sam. 7:23, Jer. 11:4
                    B) Disobedient Israelites Are Not The People Of God:
                    - Hos. 1:9, Jer. 5:10
                    C) The Christians Are The People Of God:
                    - Rom. 9:25, 2 Cor. 6:16, Eph. 4:12, Eph. 5:3, 2 Th. 1:10, Tit. 2:14

                    THE PRIESTS OF GOD
                    A) The Israelites Are The Priests Of God:
                    - Ex. 19:6
                    B) Disobedient Israelites Are Not The Priests Of God:
                    - 1 Sam. 2:28,30, Lam. 4:13,16, Eze. 44:10,13, Hos. 4:6, Mal. 2:2,4,8,9
                    C) The Christians Are The Priests Of God:
                    - 1 Pet. 2:5,9, Rev. 1:6, Rev. 5:10

                    THE VINEYARD OF GOD
                    A) Israel Is The Vineyard Of God:
                    - Isa. 5:3,4,5,7, Jer. 12:10
                    B) Christians Are The Vineyard Of God:
                    - Luke 20:16

                    THE WIFE (OR BRIDE) OF GOD
                    A) Israel Is The Wife (Or Bride) Of God:
                    - Isa. 54:5,6, Jer. 2:2, Eze. 16:32, Hos. 1:2
                    B) Disobedient Israelites Is Not The Wife (Or Bride) Of God:
                    - Jer. 3:8, Hos. 2:2
                    C) The Christians Are The Wife (Or Bride) Of God:
                    - 2 Cor. 11:2, Eph. 5:31,32

                    THE CHILDREN OF ABRAHAM
                    A) The Israelites Are The Children Of Abraham:
                    - 2 Chr. 20:7, Psa. 105:6, Isa. 41:8
                    B) Disobedient Israelites Are Not The Children Of Abraham:
                    - John 8:39, Rom. 9:6,7, Gal. 4:25,30
                    C) The Christians Are The Children Of Abraham:
                    - Rom. 4:11,16, Gal. 3:7,29, Gal. 4:23,28,31

                    THE CHOSEN PEOPLE
                    A) The Israelites Are The Chosen People:
                    - Deut. 7:7, Deut. 10:15, Deut. 14:2, Isa. 43:20,21
                    B) Disobedient Israelites Are Not The Chosen People:
                    - Deut. 31:17, 2 Ki. 17:20, 2 Chr. 25:7, Psa. 78:59, Jer. 6:30, Jer. 7:29, Jer. 14:10
                    C) The Christians Are The Chosen People:
                    - Col. 3:12, 1 Pet. 2:9

                    THE CIRCUMCISED
                    A) The Israelites Are The Circumcised:
                    - Gen. 17:10, Jud. 15:18
                    B) Disobedient Israelites Are Not The Circumcised:
                    - Jer. 9:25,26, Rom. 2:25,28, Phil. 3:2
                    C) The Christians Are The Circumcised:
                    - Rom. 2:29, Phil. 3:3, Col. 2:11

                    ISRAEL
                    A) Israel is Israel
                    B) Disobedient Israelites Are Not Israelites:
                    - Num. 15:30,31, Deut. 18:19, Acts 3:23, Rom. 9:6
                    C) The Christians Are Israel:
                    - John 11:50,51,52, 1 Cor. 10:1, Gal. 6:15,16, Eph. 2:12,19

                    JERUSALEM
                    A) Jerusalem Is the City And Mother Of Israel:
                    - Psa. 149:2, Isa. 12:6, Isa. 49:18,20,22, Isa. 51:18, Lam. 4:2
                    B) Jerusalem Is The City And Mother Of Christians:
                    - Gal. 4:26, Heb. 12:22

                    THE JEWS
                    A) Israelites Are Jews
                    - Ezr. 5:1, Jer. 34:8,9, Zech. 8:22,23
                    B) Disobedient Israelites Are Not Jews:
                    - Rom. 2:28, Rev. 2:9, Rev. 3:9
                    C) The Christians Are Jews:
                    - Rom. 2:29

                    THE NEW COVENANT
                    A) The New Covenant Is With Israel:
                    - Jer. 31:31,33
                    B) The New Covenant Is With The Christians:
                    - Luke 22:20, 1 Cor. 11:25, 2 Cor. 3:6, Heb. 8:6,8,10

                    AN OLIVE TREE
                    A) Israel Is An Olive Tree:
                    - Jer. 11:16, Hos. 14:6
                    B) The Christians Are An Olive Tree:
                    - Rom. 11:24



                    OLD TESTAMENT VERSES REFERRING TO ISRAEL WHICH ARE QUOTED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT AS REFERRING TO THE CHRISTIANS

                    QUOTE #1
                    - Lev. 26:11,12, Eze. 37:27, 2 Cor. 6:16

                    QUOTE #2
                    - Deut. 30:12-14, Rom. 10:6-8

                    QUOTE #3
                    - Deut. 31:6, Heb. 13:5

                    QUOTE #4
                    - Deut. 32:36, Psa. 135:14, Heb. 10:30

                    QUOTE #5
                    - Psa. 22:22, Heb. 2:12

                    QUOTE #6
                    - Psa. 44:22, Rom. 8:36

                    QUOTE #7
                    - Psa. 95:7-11, Heb. 3:7-11

                    QUOTE #8
                    - Psa. 130:8, Tit. 2:14

                    QUOTE #9
                    - Isa. 28:16, Rom. 10:11, Eph. 2:20, 1 Pet. 2:6

                    QUOTE #10
                    - Isa. 49:8, 2 Cor. 6:2

                    QUOTE #11
                    - Isa. 52:7, Rom. 10:15

                    QUOTE #12
                    - Isa. 54:1, Gal. 4:27

                    QUOTE #13
                    - Jer. 31:31-34, Heb. 8:8-12

                    QUOTE #14
                    - Hos. 1:10; 2:23, Rom. 9:25-26, 1 Pet. 2:10

                    QUOTE #15
                    - Hos. 13:14, 1 Cor. 15:55

                    QUOTE #16
                    - Joel. 2:32, Rom. 10:13

                    You can order The Church Is Israel Now by Charles D. Provan from Ross House Books
                    I am not reading all these quotes you provided. Just reading rom 11:24 proves the misunderstanding of one verse. Nowhere does that support replacement theology.

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                    • #11
                      "replacement theology" is just a derogatory term that sensationalists made up. The fact that you do not want to check out even a few of the references tells me you are not really concerned about what Scripture Teaches. But, depend on your interpretation of one passage.

                      Romans 9:25-26 Good News Translation (GNT)
                      25 This is what he says in the book of Hosea:

                      “The people who were not mine
                      I will call ‘My People.’
                      The nation that I did not love
                      I will call ‘My Beloved.’
                      26 And in the very place where they were told, ‘You are not my people,’
                      there they will be called the children of the living God.”


                      1 Peter 2:10 Good News Translation (GNT)
                      10 At one time you were not God's people, but now you are his people; at one time you did not know God's mercy, but now you have received his mercy.

                      This is just QUOTE #14
                      - Hos. 1:10; 2:23, Rom. 9:25-26, 1 Pet. 2:10 expanded for you. The passages from Hosea is what is quoted above.
                      Deuteronomy 6:4. Hear, O Israel: The LORD [Jehovah] your God [Elohim] is one LORD [Jehovah].

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                      • #12
                        Romans 11 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
                        God Has Not Forgotten His People
                        11 So I ask, “Did God force his people to leave him?” Of course not. I myself am an Israelite. I am from the family of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God chose the Israelites to be his people before they were born. And he did not force them to leave. Surely you know what the Scriptures say about Elijah. The Scriptures tell about Elijah praying to God against the people of Israel. He said, 3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets and destroyed your altars. I am the only prophet still living, and they are trying to kill me now.”[a] 4 But what answer did God give to Elijah? God said, “I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have never given worship to Baal.”

                        5 It is the same now. God has chosen a few people by his grace. 6 And if he chose them by grace, then it is not what they have done that made them his people. If they could be made his people by what they did, his gift of grace would not really be a gift.

                        7 So this is what has happened: The people of Israel wanted God’s blessing, but they did not all get it. The people he chose did get his blessing, but the others became hard and refused to listen to him. 8 As the Scriptures say,

                        “God caused the people to fall asleep.”

                        “God closed their eyes so that they could not see,
                        and he closed their ears so that they could not hear.
                        This continues until now.”

                        9 And David says,

                        “Let those people be caught and trapped at their own feasts.
                        Let them fall and be punished.
                        10 Let their eyes be closed so that they cannot see.
                        And let them be troubled forever.”

                        11 So I ask: When the Jews fell, did that fall destroy them? No! But their mistake brought salvation to those who are not Jews. The purpose of this was to make the Jews jealous. 12 Their mistake brought rich blessings to the world. And what they lost brought rich blessings to the non-Jewish people. So surely the world will get much richer blessings when enough Jews become the kind of people God wants.

                        13 Now I am speaking to you people who are not Jews. I am an apostle to the non-Jewish people. So while I have that work, I will do the best I can. 14 I hope I can make my own people jealous. That way, maybe I can help some of them to be saved. 15 God turned away from the Jews. When that happened, he became friends with the other people in the world. So when he accepts the Jews, it will be like bringing people to life after death. 16 If the first piece of bread is offered to God, then the whole loaf is made holy. If the roots of a tree are holy, the tree’s branches are holy too.

                        17 It is as if some of the branches from an olive tree have been broken off, and the branch of a wild olive tree has been joined to that first tree. If you are not a Jew, you are the same as that wild branch, and you now share the strength and life of the first tree. 18 But don’t act as if you are better than those branches that were broken off. You have no reason to be proud of yourself, because you don’t give life to the root. The root gives life to you. 19 You might say, “Branches were broken off so that I could be joined to their tree.” 20 That is true. But those branches were broken off because they did not believe. And you continue to be part of the tree only because you believe. Don’t be proud, but be afraid. 21 If God did not let the natural branches of that tree stay, he will not let you stay if you stop believing.

                        22 So you see that God is kind, but he can also be very strict. He punishes those who stop following him. But he is kind to you, if you continue trusting in his kindness. If you don’t continue depending on him, you will be cut off from the tree. 23 And if the Jews will believe in God again, he will accept them back. He is able to put them back where they were. 24 It is not natural for a wild branch to become part of a good tree. But you non-Jewish people are like a branch cut from a wild olive tree. And you were joined to a good olive tree. But those Jews are like a branch that grew from the good tree. So surely they can be joined to their own tree again.

                        25 I want you to understand this secret truth, brothers and sisters. This truth will help you understand that you don’t know everything. The truth is this: Part of Israel has been made stubborn, but that will change when enough non-Jewish people have come to God. 26 And that is how all Israel will be saved. The Scriptures say,

                        “The Savior will come from Zion;
                        he will take away all evil from the family of Jacob.
                        27 And I will make this agreement with those people
                        when I take away their sins.”

                        28 The Jews refuse to accept the Good News, so they are God’s enemies. This has happened to help you who are not Jews. But they are still God’s chosen people, and he loves them because of the promises he made to their ancestors. 29 God never changes his mind about the people he calls. He never decides to take back the blessings he has given them. 30 At one time you refused to obey God. But now you have received mercy, because the Jews refused to obey. 31 And now they are the ones who refuse to obey, because God showed mercy to you. But this happened so that they can also receive mercy from him. 32 All people have refused to obey God. And he has put them all together as people who don’t obey him so that he can show mercy to everyone.

                        Praise to God
                        33 Yes, God’s riches are very great! His wisdom and knowledge have no end! No one can explain what God decides. No one can understand his ways. 34 As the Scriptures say,

                        “Who can know what is on the Lord’s mind?
                        Who is able to give him advice?”

                        35 “Who has ever given God anything?
                        God owes nothing to anyone.”

                        36 Yes, God made all things. And everything continues through him and for him. To God be the glory forever! Amen.
                        Deuteronomy 6:4. Hear, O Israel: The LORD [Jehovah] your God [Elohim] is one LORD [Jehovah].

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                        • #13
                          Galatians 3

                          21 Does this mean that the law works against God’s promises? Of course not. The law was never God’s way of giving new life to people. If it were, then we could be made right with God by following the law. 22 But this is not possible. The Scriptures put the whole world in prison under the control of sin, so that the only way for people to get what God promised would be through faith in[j]Jesus Christ. It is given to those who believe in him.

                          23 Before this faith came, the law held us as prisoners. We had no freedom until God showed us the way of faith that was coming. 24 I mean the law was the guardian in charge of us until Christ came. After he came, we could be made right with God through faith. 25 Now that the way of faith has come, we no longer need the law to be our guardian.

                          26-27 You were all baptized into Christ, and so you were all clothed with Christ. This shows that you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus.28 Now, in Christ, it doesn’t matter if you are a Jew or a Greek, a slave or free, male or female. You are all the same in Christ Jesus. 29 You belong to Christ, so you are Abraham’s descendants. You get all of God’s blessings because of the promise that God made to Abraham.

                          Abraham is the spiritual father of all Christians.

                          Deuteronomy 6:4. Hear, O Israel: The LORD [Jehovah] your God [Elohim] is one LORD [Jehovah].

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Daniel Marsh View Post
                            "replacement theology" is just a derogatory term that sensationalists made up. The fact that you do not want to check out even a few of the references tells me you are not really concerned about what Scripture Teaches. But, depend on your interpretation of one passage.

                            Romans 9:25-26 Good News Translation (GNT)
                            25 This is what he says in the book of Hosea:

                            “The people who were not mine
                            I will call ‘My People.’
                            The nation that I did not love
                            I will call ‘My Beloved.’
                            26 And in the very place where they were told, ‘You are not my people,’
                            there they will be called the children of the living God.”


                            1 Peter 2:10 Good News Translation (GNT)
                            10 At one time you were not God's people, but now you are his people; at one time you did not know God's mercy, but now you have received his mercy.

                            This is just QUOTE #14
                            - Hos. 1:10; 2:23, Rom. 9:25-26, 1 Pet. 2:10 expanded for you. The passages from Hosea is what is quoted above.

                            No no replacement theology is the term that actually states you misunderstanding of scriptures. The verse I pointed out shows that misunderstanding perfectly.

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                            • #15
                              You need only show that everyone who believes that the gentiles were graft in call themselves as believing ""replacement theology"" to show that I misunderstand.

                              No, one says they believe "replacement theology" as a label for their beliefs.

                              It is only a made up phrase by dispensations as a dishonest label to put people who rightly believe in what is known as covenant theology.
                              Deuteronomy 6:4. Hear, O Israel: The LORD [Jehovah] your God [Elohim] is one LORD [Jehovah].

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