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    Born-again believers are living within the realm of grace through Christ Jesus our Lord. The born-again believer is absolutely not under the law, Romans 6:14-15.
    These verses along with many others confirm the fact that born-again believers are not under the law but are under grace.
    Romans 6:15 is very important verse to born-again believers. Since the born-again believer is not under the law sin is no longer simply a violation of the law. Do believe's sin after being born again? We all know that born-again believers sin after being born again. Because born-again believers are not under the law the sin is now much more violent than simply breaking the law or violating Commandments.
    When the born-again believer sins they are violating our Father's nature.
    Any sin by the born-again believer is so violent that it hurts our Father when sin is committed while in the realm of grace.

    This is why the born-again believer needs to learn to live by the inborn "Christ in you" nature, in him or her, so that total oneness with our Father will be manifested at all times, John 17:21.
    The believer that perpetually sins is a believer that has not yet yielded his or her mind to the Holy Spirit so that the believers mind will be renewed.
    The believers stinking mind is his or her problem because if that individual is born again he or she has a perfect spirit within which is the "Christ in you" spirit-nature.
    Sins committed by the born-again believers are sins that originate in the believers mind and the body is used to set these thoughts into motion thus committing sin and violating the nature of Him who is our Father.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Noblemen View Post
    Born-again believers are living within the realm of grace through Christ Jesus our Lord. The born-again believer is absolutely not under the law, Romans 6:14-15.
    These verses along with many others confirm the fact that born-again believers are not under the law but are under grace.
    Romans 6:15 is very important verse to born-again believers. Since the born-again believer is not under the law sin is no longer simply a violation of the law. Do believe's sin after being born again? We all know that born-again believers sin after being born again. Because born-again believers are not under the law the sin is now much more violent than simply breaking the law or violating Commandments.
    When the born-again believer sins they are violating our Father's nature.
    Any sin by the born-again believer is so violent that it hurts our Father when sin is committed while in the realm of grace.

    This is why the born-again believer needs to learn to live by the inborn "Christ in you" nature, in him or her, so that total oneness with our Father will be manifested at all times, John 17:21.
    The believer that perpetually sins is a believer that has not yet yielded his or her mind to the Holy Spirit so that the believers mind will be renewed.
    The believers stinking mind is his or her problem because if that individual is born again he or she has a perfect spirit within which is the "Christ in you" spirit-nature.
    Sins committed by the born-again believers are sins that originate in the believers mind and the body is used to set these thoughts into motion thus committing sin and violating the nature of Him who is our Father.
    n>All of those things you teach are apparently because your group treats the Gospels as "Old Testament". So sad. So false.
    Mouser Larry Roy: "yippee ki yay"
    “... see the loonies in their cages… are they not witty… how much amusement they afford… ours is a human world, theirs is a bestial world… " Bedlam

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    • #3
      Just because we are not under the law, does not mean we do not have to obey the law. The Law is and always will be in effect.

      those who are under the Law do not live in the Law, living under the Law is bondage, those who live freely live in the Law.

      “Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the Lord.”
      **Leviticus‬ *18:5‬ *KJV‬‬

      “But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
      **Galatians‬ *3:11-12‬ *KJV‬‬


      Paul was not dismissing the Law at all. Once the veil is removed we clearly see the Law, and how it applies to our lives, and until our minds are no longer blinded by our own thoughts, we will not see the Law for what it truly is.

      “But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away.”
      **2 Corinthians‬ *3:14-16‬ *KJV‬‬


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      • #4
        The only way we can know Christ is through following His commandments, but we would rather people tell us it's to hard and dismiss the Law to make ourselves righteous. Instead of doing the things Christ taught, which are the Law. We try our own way to know Him, when the only way to truly know Him is by following His commandments.

        We gain understanding through obedience, without obedience we have nothing.

        “I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.”
        **Philippians‬ *4:13‬ *KJV‬‬

        Maybe we should add "except what He commands us to do" to the end of that verse.

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        • #5
          Usually, those claiming to be 'born again' know neither what the term MEANS, nor whom God and Christ are!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by GetREAL! View Post
            Usually, those claiming to be 'born again' know neither what the term MEANS, nor whom God and Christ are!
            Then, please, explain it to us.
            Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

            Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by John christian View Post
              Just because we are not under the law, does not mean we do not have to obey the law. The Law is and always will be in effect.

              those who are under the Law do not live in the Law, living under the Law is bondage, those who live freely live in the Law.

              “Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the Lord.”
              **Leviticus‬ *18:5‬ *KJV‬‬

              “But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.”
              **Galatians‬ *3:11-12‬ *KJV‬‬


              Paul was not dismissing the Law at all. Once the veil is removed we clearly see the Law, and how it applies to our lives, and until our minds are no longer blinded by our own thoughts, we will not see the Law for what it truly is.

              “But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away.”
              **2 Corinthians‬ *3:14-16‬ *KJV‬‬

              The written law is obsolete.
              - Do for others as you would want them to do for you: this is the foundation of the Law of Moses and of the teachings of the prophets. -

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              • #8
                Originally posted by AlFin View Post

                Then, please, explain it to us.

                You first!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Noblemen View Post
                  Born-again believers are living within the realm of grace through Christ Jesus our Lord. The born-again believer is absolutely not under the law, Romans 6:14-15.
                  These verses along with many others confirm the fact that born-again believers are not under the law but are under grace.
                  Romans 6:15 is very important verse to born-again believers. Since the born-again believer is not under the law sin is no longer simply a violation of the law. Do believe's sin after being born again? We all know that born-again believers sin after being born again. Because born-again believers are not under the law the sin is now much more violent than simply breaking the law or violating Commandments.
                  When the born-again believer sins they are violating our Father's nature.
                  Any sin by the born-again believer is so violent that it hurts our Father when sin is committed while in the realm of grace.

                  This is why the born-again believer needs to learn to live by the inborn "Christ in you" nature, in him or her, so that total oneness with our Father will be manifested at all times, John 17:21.
                  The believer that perpetually sins is a believer that has not yet yielded his or her mind to the Holy Spirit so that the believers mind will be renewed.
                  The believers stinking mind is his or her problem because if that individual is born again he or she has a perfect spirit within which is the "Christ in you" spirit-nature.
                  Sins committed by the born-again believers are sins that originate in the believers mind and the body is used to set these thoughts into motion thus committing sin and violating the nature of Him who is our Father.
                  SO - How are YOU doing with your "Sinless living". Same as everybody else I suspect.

                  Of course the only way that we're "not under the Law" is that since it has ALREADY killed us (being nailed to the Cross with Jesus), it Can't CURSE us any more. The LAW, however is God's WILL, and is eternal since it's by the law that we know SIN.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GetREAL! View Post

                    You first!
                    You are the one making the claim, not me. Show us the facts.
                    Allen (Unless noted otherwise, Bible quotations are from the 1984 edition of the NIV)

                    Faith--Sees the invisible, believes the incredible, and receives the impossible.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by AlFin View Post

                      You are the one making the claim, not me. Show us the facts.


                      Why- when you deny them?

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